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[Yud1]

Hi guys,

I am new to the renewal system so need this info, if you can help me. (Returning to RO after around 3 years

Archer/Ranger class:

I used to use the +10 composite[4] with 4xAbysmal Cards [MVP] & 2xHydra + 2xSkel Worker [PvP]
Now the damage calculation/mechanics seems to have changed a lot.

So I am kinda confused as to which bow to use for what.
Which is better and with what cards out of this.

1. Big/Giant/Large Crossbow[2] ----- (I am not sure whats its called Big/Giant/Large )
2. Elven Bow[1] + Elven arrows
3. Orc Archer Bow + Steel arrows
4. Glorious Hunter Bow --------- ( I don't if the hunting arrows stack with this like with the normal hunter bow)

Which cards for what purpose.

[MVP]
Abysmall
Archer skeleton
Race & size cards
Turtle General card

[PvP]
Hydra + skel worker
Spectre Samurai
Memory of Thanatos ( is this also known as the TT card )

[JinxSkeel]

Gakkung with 2 archer skel cards?

[Shadiah]

Big crossbow is used for one purpose (I think) and that is arrow storm. It allows the use of whatever arrows you want and give a good damage boost to beat out elven bow + elven arrows. Also two slots for cards and the + aspd are very nice. The high sp cost of arrow storm is a downside though.

Elven bow + elven arrow is the good general purpose bow, especially if it is +14 and carded with beholder master (I think this is the combo for ASPD). Great for Arrow storm and hitlocking

Orc archer bow + steel arrows is a crappier version of the elven bow + elven arrow. I believe this is the best bow/arrow for arrow storm shadow chasers at the moment. Also no card slots.

4 slotted composite bow is mainly used in pvp for statusing players and then switching to another bow for damage.

This information is from the top of my head and may not be completely accurate as I don't play a ranger in WoE/MvP. Mine is still only lvl 115.

[Yud1]

Also, what exactly is the

[Occult Impaction] style damage ?? as the Memory of Thanatos card says.

I don't quite understand it.

Edited by Yud1, 12 June 2012 - 05:47 AM.

[GSValore]

Also, what exactly is the

[Occult Impaction] style damage ?? as the Memory of Thanatos card says.

I don't quite understand it.

Occult Impaction does more damage dependent upon the target's DEF. So a high DEF target receives a lot of damage. Ice Pick has the same effect.

[Yud1]

Occult Impaction does more damage dependent upon the target's DEF. So a high DEF target receives a lot of damage. Ice Pick has the same effect.

Ok, I seem to understand that now.

Also I tried something and found that if we slot both both Thanatos & spectre cards it doesnt work.
Example -

Any Good Bow [2] with Memory of Thanatos (2nd slot empty) = Double strafe = 6xxxx
Any Good Bow [2] with Memory of Thanatos & Spectre Samurai = Double strafe = 6xxxx

These are the results I got on calculating on a monster with DEF 400 & a monster with Def 100. (Here the Double strafe is around 4xxxx)

So basically I feel that putting both the cards is useless.
If anyone has any new insights on this please share.

So iam still confused which bow for Mvp with what cards
and which bow for PvP with which cards.

Can someone clarify on this please.

[BoingBoing]

Ok, I seem to understand that now.

Also I tried something and found that if we slot both both Thanatos & spectre cards it doesnt work.
Example -

Any Good Bow [2] with Memory of Thanatos (2nd slot empty) = Double strafe = 6xxxx
Any Good Bow [2] with Memory of Thanatos & Spectre Samurai = Double strafe = 6xxxx

These are the results I got on calculating on a monster with DEF 400 & a monster with Def 100. (Here the Double strafe is around 4xxxx)

So basically I feel that putting both the cards is useless.
If anyone has any new insights on this please share.

So iam still confused which bow for Mvp with what cards
and which bow for PvP with which cards.

Can someone clarify on this please.

You forgot the obvious combination.
Any Good Bow [2] with Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos

or the ultimate one
Any Good Bow [4] with Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos

[neokenshin]

Use Composite Bows for staus effects. If you're going to be attacking in WoE, stick with the Elven Bow/Arrow combo unless you get a high level Giant Crossbow. This is until we get the Bellum Crossbow in the future WoE update, but that's not for a while.

If you're going to be MvPing, you'll need a high level Bow, like Elven or Giant Crossbow. A +14 Elven Bow with Beholder Master Card is great if you're going to be a 193 ASPD Auto Warg Ranger.

As for having a Thanatos Card? Unless you get a +14 Giant Crossbow, put it in a high upgraded Elven Bow. Guilds will love you(and hate you) for unleashing some deadly Arrow Storms.

And DO NOT put a Thanatos and Samurai Spectre in the same bow! You won't get more damage output and people will seriously troll you badly for doing so! Place them in two separate bows. If you place them in a Giant Crossbow, compliment the second card slot with a Hydra for PvP/WoE, Abby Knight for MvP, or Archer Skeleton/Valk Randgris/Turtle General for all around damage.

Also don't use Double Strafe to calculate damage. Use Arrow Storm to get a good idea of your damage since this will be your mani arrow skill.

[neokenshin]

You forgot the obvious combination.
Any Good Bow [2] with Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos

or the ultimate one
Any Good Bow [4] with Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos

Thanatos Card doesn't stack like that. Plus putting 4 in a Composite Bow is utter crap. You'll only get the Ice Pick effect once and the other 3 cards will do nothing. Also the damage output will be considerably lower with a Comp Bow due to its low ATK power..

As stated, your best options for carding is as follows.

1)+12-14 Giant Crossbow+Thanatos+Hydra/AK/TG/AS/BM/Valk/Etc
2)+12-14 Giant Crossbow+Samurai Spectre+Hydra/AK/TG/AS/BM/Valk/Etc
3)+12-14 Elven Bow+Thanatos
4)+12-14 Elven Bow+Samurai Spectre
5)+14 Elven Bow+Beholder Master card

That's it!

[darkdito1884]

what monster drops this big/giant crossbow?

[neokenshin]

Currently the drop is said to be the Bio 3 Sniper or Sniper MVP, not really sure.

[Yud1]

You forgot the obvious combination.
Any Good Bow [2] with Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos

or the ultimate one
Any Good Bow [4] with Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos & Memory of Thanatos

Dude, Memory of Thanatos cards do not stack, I calculated and checked it as well.
The Damage dealt is same while using 1 card or while using 4 cards!

[Yud1]

Thanatos Card doesn't stack like that. Plus putting 4 in a Composite Bow is utter crap. You'll only get the Ice Pick effect once and the other 3 cards will do nothing. Also the damage output will be considerably lower with a Comp Bow due to its low ATK power..

As stated, your best options for carding is as follows.

1)+12-14 Giant Crossbow+Thanatos+Hydra/AK/TG/AS/BM/Valk/Etc
2)+12-14 Giant Crossbow+Samurai Spectre+Hydra/AK/TG/AS/BM/Valk/Etc
3)+12-14 Elven Bow+Thanatos
4)+12-14 Elven Bow+Samurai Spectre
5)+14 Elven Bow+Beholder Master card

That's it!

What you are saying is absolutely correct, the Thanatos cards doesn't stack with itself, not does it stack with Spectre.
So it seems that -

MVP - +14 Giant Crossbow[2] Memory of Thanatos + Abyss or Turtle
PVP - +14 Giant Crossbow[2] Memory of Thanatos + Hydra/Turtle

[Kalandros]

I'd also think about Rangdris card to make it unbreakable.

[Yud1]

I had this question since long time, lemme know if u know this.

Does the Magnum Break proc with Ranged Attack, I mean if the Ranger is using it, and hitting a monster or player with his full Range does the Bagnum break trigger?

[neokenshin]

Mag Break should proc with Ranged Physical Attack.

And yes Kalandros is right, Valk Randgris is also a good card to consider as well since you get 10% more damage, an unbreakable weapon, and chance for Dispell. If you're attacking at 193 ASPD, this can be quite annoying to people.

[Yud1]

Mag Break should proc with Ranged Physical Attack.

And yes Kalandros is right, Valk Randgris is also a good card to consider as well since you get 10% more damage, an unbreakable weapon, and chance for Dispell. If you're attacking at 193 ASPD, this can be quite annoying to people.

Whats this Dispel? I dint understand it.
What actually it does and how it works, can please elaborate a bit.

Also whats a BM card ?? What is the acronym for?

Edited by Yud1, 12 June 2012 - 09:14 AM.

[Kalandros]

http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4407/

• Increases physical damage by 10%.
• Adds a 5% chance of using [Dispell] Lv 1 on the target when doing a physical attack.
• Makes the weapon unbreakable.

[rednaxelagnik]

Instead of making a new thread to ask, I'll just chime in here. I was wondering if anyone actually uses the glorious hunter bow? It seems decent for damage but do most people go for max or near max attack speed with bows (and therefor need a slotted weapon)? If it's purely for PVP and WOE, is the lack of slots is the only downside? I never knew anyone who actually had one so I don't know if it's worth the KVM badges or not.

[kasshin]

One friend of mine got one and says he likes it for the defense bypassing...

But I'll let people who actually use rangers comment.

[Yud1]

http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4407/

• Increases physical damage by 10%.
• Adds a 5% chance of using [Dispell] Lv 1 on the target when doing a physical attack.
• Makes the weapon unbreakable.

What does this Dispel Lv 1 Do? was actually my question.

[Tanthalas23]

Dispel pretty much in a nutshell takes off any buffs the current target has on them except like VIP buffs etc.

[JChino]

^
as he said For example best case scenario is vs a royal guard who will most likely have every buff to tank you with lvl 1 dispell he wil no longer have those buffs to tank you not sure if defending aura counts as a buff since I dont play RG but if it does valk card will be very helpful along with if you are using a samurai Spector you can ignore their high defenses.

[CeruleanGamer]

Hydra is better than Randgris if you're gonna kill the target in 1 Arrow Storm anyway. It's pointless dispelling a dead target xD.... Extra Damage > Gimmicks.

I think you'll also get more damage from Hydra than Turtle General when attacking demi-humans.

If you're using Big Crossbow for an ASPD ranger, it's not worth using it just for the +1 ASPD effect at 120 AGI..... You probably won't max out DEX since you'll be relying on auto warg, meaning you'll have more LUK than DEX. You're really missing out on the Arrow Storm bonus this way. Better off with an Elven then......

These are the best bow/card combinations:

Arrow Stormer = +14 Big Crossbow = Hydra + Memory of Thanatos
ASPD Ranger = +14 Elven Bow = Beholder Master + Valkyrie Randgris

Edited by CeruleanGamer, 15 June 2012 - 04:57 AM.

[beaupoem]

ASPD Ranger = +14 Elven Bow = Beholder Master + Valkyrie Randgris

you mean one or the other right? i'm assuming randgris card would be better if you have tons of zeny and can get 193 aspd without the beholder master card