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#1 Kazu731

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:17 PM

Well, the next big update is here and in the usual fashion I am going to take the liberty of making a feedback thread. And again, unfortunately, I have more than a few negative comments on the update.

Well, let me start with the positives. I really like that the Novice set is a vanity set and I think the idea is cute. Ragnarok is pretty well-known for its designs and I am quite happy to see Ragnarok clothes in game--they're pretty adorable (I can't stop staring at my adorable Prillipy in that Novice set). And that brings me to complaint number one: the Ragnarok cash shop gacha. For three dollars a pop, a random shot at one piece of a random set out of many, some gender locked, sets. This is arguably more ridiculous than the Big Wheel and Mix Board.

As for the rest of the cash shop items: the gems being in the cash shop and being a reward for staying logged in for 15 minutes is outrageous. One gem gets you one run of Glast Heim--and a chance at maybe one or two Elenium. A Hero piece of the Valkyrie set will cost you 80 Elenium. Consider how much log-in time that is, or how much cash that is. Why can't the gems be a drop or a repeatable quest (Not a daily--God, no) from Orc Field? Orc Field becomes a gigantic waste of time after you finish your quests there. This is hardly what I'd expect out of the "next big update" for Dragon Saga.

Back to the Elenium and Valkyrie sets-- the Valkyrie sets are garbage. They may have some tiny remote use to PvP players, if not for the fact that they lack individual piece stats like every single other late game set has, and that the last option is the Dimension Release stat. What good is this stat without any further content beyond Glast Heim? You'd already have everything from Glast Heim in your posession by that point. I sure hope some more content is planned beyond this, but the bottom line is that the Valkyrie set is by no means worth it for the rather extreme cost of each piece.

And to go back to the dungeons--what a gigantic disappointment! They are a whole two straight lines of mediocre mobs, zero challenge, and garbage for rewards. Granted, I do like the boss pieces (The helmets from Orc Field and Glast Heim, and I do like Glast Heim's tacky cape, regardless of what anyone else thinks) and the level scaling. But these two places wear themselves thin very quickly, and the Valkyrie set is not a reward that makes this repetition worthwhile. And again, I stress that Glast Heim has an entry standard that is too cash-based/takes too long.

Further, we've all been looking at pictures of this great big Rangarok city in-game and all we get is a little cross-shaped walkway. It's pretty disappointing. I feel like I'm playing half-finished content, or otherwise that the content is very underwhelming.

Which brings me to the elephant in the room: something about this little walkway and inside of the dungeons causes some kind of unbearable lag. I have lost two temp. inventories containing cash items due to constant 15 second to 1 minute long freezes, happening every ten seconds or so. I don't know if this is just me, but every player I play with in these areas crashes consistently. It could be overcrowding, but this wouldn't be the first area in game that has such problems.

Well, there you have mine. Anyone can comment, post, argue, et cetera. All in all, I like this update much more than the Legendary one, but it's not living up to its expectation.

Edited by Kazu731, 12 September 2012 - 01:24 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:22 PM

I'd post a longer reply, but i lost the reply in a crash.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:24 PM

CASHIN GAMES AND CRASHIN GAMES
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:29 PM

"PVP" Bonuses: ( a small step in the right direction imo)
I think the bonuses are from stats and what not not from the sets. For example, you can now damage through block though it may be small and i "think" they get debuffed through block as well but i could be wrong about that one. Sometimes i noticed that when I hit people that I KNOW have high end gears get my full damage though it was rare. I have been doing more testing but this is all i could find for now. The first one that i mentioned im positive about and would like to hear some one elses point of view that have noticed the same or something else. Also, did they revert back to normal air recovery??

I play a PF btw.

Edit: its rare but you can bypass defense. I have seen someone i do 100 damage to most of the time take 900 sometimes with normal attacks no crits.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:35 PM

So if what you're saying is true then you got a 800% increase in damage. Now what if you crit with say... 900% cd. Your 100 damage turns into 8100 damage. That means you can one shot people with arrow shower.

I hope that's wrong.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:40 PM

The option table was in the original plans we recieved 2 weeks ago. As far as i know during testing last week that table no longer applies. That's why it was removed.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:41 PM

Well that is a bad ass roll your talking about, Critting on that rare chance at the same time. Id like to do it to someone whos "Stacked" to give me that feel good! EVEN A GOD CAN DIE NOW

The option table was in the original plans we recieved 2 weeks ago. As far as i know during testing last week that table no longer applies. That's why it was removed.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:01 PM

Can anyone post each set's effects? It'll be years before they're on the Wiki and at the moment I'm caught up with class work and if I start playing video games - Oh god NO! I have too much work to get done...
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:09 PM

Well one thing I'd like to note is the Valkirye set bonuses. For classes like Specialists/Destroyers it's an ok set but not worth it in the long run. The time it takes to get a full set is even longer than getting half or all of a glorious set for your class (varying on levels here).

Also the city itself was what bugged me. Instead of a town that made the old port of winds look like my bedroom we got a walkway that makes a boss room in VC or Drakos the size of Runescape's world map by comparison.

I'm a bit negative about the medals at the same time. The best version of the medal in particular. Run Orc dungeon 40 times then Glast Heim 20 times and you get what? A medal w/ 7% CR, 7% Aim rate, and INT/STR increased. To be honest waiting or buying 20 runs of Heim and then doing 40 runs of Orc's lair is about the same effort for Alexander Expert which was a better medal already and could take less time w/ the right party. Ok an AR/CR medal isn't bad but it aint worth the extreme effort it takes to get it.

The bosses are easy to kill. Too easy. I only liked that they weren't freaking re-skins which was what 75% of updates like Cookie Factory and Sakura Map were. I mean a unique style set of bosses were much better than a Farrel Re-skin w/ a lightbulb's endurance. They're hp was the only annoying factor. 15.3m hp @ 4 people w/ a lvl 78 lead isn't too difficult to down.

The Monster Enchant cards have a nice optional thing of trading them for a good number of silver keys. So at least we don't have to spam orc field as much hoping for 1 key. Also the Gold Boxes were alittle iffy. Pretty much puking more Cash shop necessities on the update. And for what? A chance at getting a 2nd box needed to be opened w/ another key or something useful like a single insurance scroll but you wish you had more, or getting random items that aren't necessary.

The pet eggs were what made me wanna go to Gravity and flip every desk (I've threatened them w/ this before). I mean instead of a pet-egg where we get an adorable pet we get a gacha box and we have to roll the dice for our pet. Alittle stupid IMO.

I feel as though the better option was to make Valkirye set pieces drop from the dungeon and not praying to get one box to get one piece that isn't even for your class. You can trade them for the materials yes but like 6-13 of them per piece which is pointless as you need 32-100+ of them to get 1 piece (Cape is the highest cost. Costs based on level 65 set).

The Cash Ragnarok Gacha Costume box also was pure chance. There's some good costumes and they're special grade too. But 300 IM an attempt?! That's worse than Big-Wheel because unlike Big Wheel which was a 1 in 8 chance, to get a particular part was a more 1 in 40+ chance. The only nice touch was non-Soulbound which may be changed like the WatchTower sets were. Gender locking was the horrible idea here. There's no point if they look near the exact same regardless of gender. Costumes like Fantasy Priest, Japanese Suit, and Snow Emperor look entirely different based on gender and they have no gender locks. Why do you need it on costumes that look the exact same?!?
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:21 PM

I don't think staying logged in all day will amount to anything either. I've been logged in on my Sorc since about 10am this morning (now 7:00pm) and I've only received 3 gems total. So I'm assuming there's a limit of how many you're getting per day anyway. Which would make sense since they probably want to encourage people to buy them in their cash shop. I don't plan on paying for gems so I guess 3 is better than none?

I have to agree about the dungeons being way too easy. The monsters deal little to no damage in the 40-50 dungeon and the boss takes no time to kill. It's probably more reasonable on a naked lower level 40 character but for a perma 50, it's a breeze. I'm hoping that Geffen will eventually be expanded. When you first get into the map and walk directly up, it looks like the entire city is behind that gate. I would hope they open it up because it's beautiful scenery if nothing else! For now, it's not really even Geffen but just outside of it. I also love the Kafras and the Guards! And the way you made the portals look like the warp skill. I thought it was definitely a nice touch and reminds me of RO for sure. Unfortunately, this is one of those patches that feels like once the initial hype has passed, it will die out and become useless. But for now, it's nice to have something else to do.

Also, the pet boxes.. I tried for an Ifrit pet egg and got 20 apples. What the? Why? It's a gamble enough trying to get useful stats from the pets you want but to not even give one at all? Seems kind of silly. What is the chance of one anyway? I'm glad I didn't try that on the Dragon egg pet without knowing it was only a chance.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:32 PM

Also, monsters are flat out annoying half the time. You should know that considering how much you're expected to run orc and glast (judging by how many times they want for the medals) that the goal isn't just to beat the dungeon, but to clear it in the fastest time possible. The monsters sometimes putting up shields isn't difficult in the slightest, or even interesting. It's just a waste of time and MP. It feels like a lot of things are just designed to waste time in orc and glast.

Monster shields waste my time.
The fact that you have to grind orc for a chance at a card to trade in for keys wastes my time.
Not being able to skip cutscenes like every other cutscene in the game wastes my time.
Monsters spawning, but their hitboxes taking 10 seconds longer to spawn wastes my time.
The zombie room in glast that takes twice as long as it should because hitboxes take so long to activate is a GIANT waste of my time.
The fact that after I grinded my keys and got a box from glast it can still contain souls, AP, WP, water, or apples is an ENOURMOUS waste of my time!
Stop wasting my time, please.


Edited by zabmaru, 12 September 2012 - 05:33 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:48 PM

Also, monsters are flat out annoying half the time. You should know that considering how much you're expected to run orc and glast (judging by how many times they want for the medals) that the goal isn't just to beat the dungeon, but to clear it in the fastest time possible. The monsters sometimes putting up shields isn't difficult in the slightest, or even interesting. It's just a waste of time and MP. It feels like a lot of things are just designed to waste time in orc and glast.

Monster shields waste my time.
The fact that you have to grind orc for a chance at a card to trade in for keys wastes my time.
Not being able to skip cutscenes like every other cutscene in the game wastes my time.
Monsters spawning, but their hitboxes taking 10 seconds longer to spawn wastes my time.
The zombie room in glast that takes twice as long as it should because hitboxes take so long to activate is a GIANT waste of my time.
The fact that after I grinded my keys and got a box from glast it can still contain souls, AP, WP, water, or apples is an ENOURMOUS waste of my time!
Stop wasting my time, please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwMOftAl7NI


I have to agree.

The monster shields are just a massive spike in block rate and increased defense. Very big time consumer.
The cutscene's are only in the zombie room in glast, and both bosses intro's and deaths.
Only a few cases of this hitbox delay, mostly in Glast Heim. Still annoying as hell.
Also I have to 100% agree on you w/ the fact that you do all that farming for a small amount of souls (which have become near worthless now), AP/WP (which have lowered greatly in prices), Water and apples (Which lose use around level 10-15).

I feel as though if they should give consumables, other than the upgraded potions and debuff curing item is fine but the apple and water? Why not cakes and yogurts!?

Edited by Coolsam, 12 September 2012 - 05:49 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 08:16 PM

Do the archangel/devil/dragon pets even exist? Because if it does, it seems the chances of getting it out of the egg are ridculously low. Making the gold keys only obtainable from the item mall was a terrible moneygrubbing idea. -_- I agree with Prinz that they should be obtained SOMEHOW even if it was a very small amount a day to non-IM users.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 08:34 PM

Do the archangel/devil/dragon pets even exist? Because if it does, it seems the chances of getting it out of the egg are ridculously low. Making the gold keys only obtainable from the item mall was a terrible moneygrubbing idea. -_- I agree with Prinz that they should be obtained SOMEHOW even if it was a very small amount a day to non-IM users.


I've seen the Archangel pet once. As for the devil and dragon I've yet to see any
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:37 AM

Do the archangel/devil/dragon pets even exist? Because if it does, it seems the chances of getting it out of the egg are ridculously low. Making the gold keys only obtainable from the item mall was a terrible moneygrubbing idea. -_- I agree with Prinz that they should be obtained SOMEHOW even if it was a very small amount a day to non-IM users.

Jen its time to spam dem alts
"Orc Field Participation Event:
All characters that complete Orc Field Dungeon will receive a Golden Key (used to open special Gasha boxes ingame) the following day, runs completed Friday-Sunday will receive keys Monday. One qualifying character will be randomly selected to win a Pecopeco Mount Egg. (Exclusive: not available ingame or item mall yet!)"

Pecopeco is available ingame, so idk why it says that.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:58 AM

The only pets I've seen anyone get so far or have seen in the patch notes in KDrag from this up date are the angel porings and the Pecos which are both from using gold keys on boxes.

My biggest problem with this update is the fact you cant get silver keys without spending 2+ gold keys and that silver keys don't even work on orc boxes or dark monster card boxes like they say they do.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:00 AM

Jen its time to spam dem alts
"Orc Field Participation Event:
All characters that complete Orc Field Dungeon will receive a Golden Key (used to open special Gasha boxes ingame) the following day, runs completed Friday-Sunday will receive keys Monday. One qualifying character will be randomly selected to win a Pecopeco Mount Egg. (Exclusive: not available ingame or item mall yet!)"

Pecopeco is available ingame, so idk why it says that.


Lol..yeah I got a pecopeco pet from the Hero Gold Box. There's no point in spamming alts when the boxes/keys and most of the equips are all untradeable.. :( unless you're only after the pets...
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:48 AM

The only pets I've seen anyone get so far or have seen in the patch notes in KDrag from this up date are the angel porings and the Pecos which are both from using gold keys on boxes.

My biggest problem with this update is the fact you cant get silver keys without spending 2+ gold keys and that silver keys don't even work on orc boxes or dark monster card boxes like they say they do.



U can get silver keys, trading monsters cards on npc...but anyway to get monsters cards u need gold keys i think. :p_sleep:
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:49 AM



  U can get silver keys, trading monsters cards on npc...but anyway to get monsters cards u need gold keys i think. :p_sleep:


Yup.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:58 AM

They should just make the game p2p so they finish wt this bs.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:03 AM

nvm. Just got a silver key from an orc box using a bronze key
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:50 AM

Lol..yeah I got a pecopeco pet from the Hero Gold Box. There's no point in spamming alts when the boxes/keys and most of the equips are all untradeable.. :( unless you're only after the pets...

Gold Keys arent tradable?
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:57 PM

Also those stats were put into the game. I've had crits drop from 270k to 39k on porings and on the flip side I've done 300k+ crits which I was never able to achieve on any mob.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:43 PM

nvm. Just got a silver key from an orc box using a bronze key


You can get them when you trade those monster enchant cards for them. You get 3 +4 cards for free from the quests which gave a decent number of keys.

Also those stats were put into the game. I've had crits drop from 270k to 39k on porings and on the flip side I've done 300k+ crits which I was never able to achieve on any mob.


A 300k+ crit on a sentinel is very impressive. If by those stats do you mean the special buffs meant for pvp on those sets?
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 02:00 PM

Yea those. Except im not wearing the new sets. Its some hidden class buff now. Destroyers can dmg through block too it seems.
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