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#1 Jaffer

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:22 PM

Some input on AGI Monks is appreciated as it's not something I've used much or really cared for. Spoiler tags will make this easier to navigate as it expands.

First and foremost. Job 50 Acolyte is REQUIRED. Even more so, if you do not go job 50 High Aco, delete yourself.

Champion is the current kill-all class in Classic RO, the only class capable of efficiently taking out any opponent quickly and relatively easily. There are many flavors of Monk/Champ which I will cover, but lets first look at the skills available to you and your class line:

Acolyte Skills

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Monk Skills
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Champion Skills
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With all those skills, you actually have relatively few path options. You can realistically be:
AGI Combo
Spirit
MVP Champion (Don't build an MvP Monk)
Mental Strength
AGI/Spirit leveling Monk

AGI Combo is a fun/leveling build, but useless in WoE due to poor stat allocation, low GFist damage, and the fact that it's a control-click build.

Spirit is a WoE/PvP build focused on casting speed, survivability, and damage.

MVP is an... MVP build focused on pure damage output and possibly casting speed. This is for Champions now.

Mental Strength is good enough to use without a specialized build, but the more VIT the better. Rarely will someone create a pure MS Monk, instead just relying on MS 3~5 to level in guild dungeons.

AGI/Spirit leveling Monk is a flee based build for Spirit Monks to enable easy soloing by fleeing mobs to conserve SP.


How to build
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| MvP Monk
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| Spirit Monk
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| AGI Monk
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| Champion
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| Champion is the rebirth form of the Monk Class.
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| This class carries the Monk line well, increasing your capabilities as a Spirit, MVP, or Combo Monk drastically.
| Zen increases your damaging capabilities and changes you from a big-target killer to a highly effective killer in WoE
| The 20 additional skill points make getting Snap easy. You can also get Bless and Increase AGI 10 as a Champion.
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New skills as a Champion


As you can see, the capabilities of Combo, Spirit, and MVP Champion has been greatly increased over Monk. Zen means you can execute about 3-5 times as many Guillotine Fists than a Monk. It also means Absorb Spirit Spheres is less dangerous to you, as you can quickly regather them. Additionally as a Spirit Champion, you only need to get Zen and Raging Palm Strike 1, leaving you with plenty of points to pick up Snap, Occult 5, TSS 5, and Bless 10/AGI 10 without having to reset at 99/70!

Very little changes from Monk to Champion build wise for now. Later on, Champion builds become drastically different (80 total STR, 100 VIT 140+ DEX 50+ AGI), but that's a long ways away still. The general builds still hold though you get slightly more leeway.

How to build
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| MvP Champion
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| A Champion has greatly increased damage and speed capacities when it comes to MvPing.
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| Zen means you're many times faster when it comes to Guillotine Fist and many classes that could beat you before don't stand a chance now.
| Raging Palm Strike allows you to clear MvP mobs a bit and likely pos lag them to give you a clean shot.
| Now that you don't need to reset for Snap you can MvP effectively at a lower level.
| Increased SP Pool allows you to snap more and search for MvPs more effectively.
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STR: 130+
VIT: Next to none unless you want to solo
INT: A ton unless you want to solo (INT/VIT tradeoff)
DEX: 100~140

Why the change?
Because of Zen, you don't need to worry so much about the biggest hit as much as you need to worry about how quickly you can recover and attack again. At the current state, first hit is extremely important. The DEX will allow you to lead off with a quick TSS1 or Guillotine Fist, and if it's lexed then you'll be hitting half their HP anyways. You can go slightly more Monk-like and drop the DEX for more INT if you like, but you should be fine with 4x INT 9x STR 9x DEX. You may drop DEX for VIT or INT.

Skill Build (Assume all other skills are at their prereq minimum):
Bless/AGI 10
Pneuma 1
Snap 1
Occult 5
Guillotine Fist 5
Zen 1
Leftover: 13
TSS 5 is a fine choice. Steel Body is probably useless unless you got a decent heap of VIT. Root 5 is okay. Heal 10 will help you solo. Dec AGI is probably not going to help either.

New Gears
+7 Stone Buckler is a good choice for your MvP Shields (5% reduction from Large)
Morpheus Set is something you should start collecting. The shawl is not currently available but should be soon. The SP bonus from this set is pretty ridiculous and it gives you uninterruptable cast. It is really good "mid tier" MvP gear. When DRings/DRobe, just the muffler will suffice.
+3 STR or +3 DEX enchanted Armors are good for MvP Champs. a +3 STR Wildcat Orleans will do wonders. Just note that by relying on your armor for your STR Bonus, all subsequent armors you get need the bonus as well (though your next armor will be a Diabolus Robe).

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| Spirit Champion
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| Champions are a very potent killer in Trans WoE. They are a valuable asset to any guild and make good recallers and fishers.
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| Zen is your primary boost from Monk to Champion. The increased speed, drastic reduction in the delay between your attacks and ease of access to all of your important skills is what makes you a Champion.
| Raging Palm Strike gives you a one-up in PvP, being able to knock foes back but still keeping them in Guillotine Fist range. Learning the timing of the knock back is an important skill.
| Even though you can get level 10 buffs, they're for you. Don't become a priest. In ME battles, you should be pnuema-ing ME holes, not spamming Bless and AGI.
| Learning when to be aggressive and when to be defensive will make you into a great Champion. Fish the right opponents out. Clean up after ME Battles.
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Base Stats
STR: 61 or 71
VIT: 73 minimum
DEX: 85 minimum
INT: 1~30

Total Stats:
STR: 90~120
VIT: 90
DEX: 120~149
INT: 10~40

Skill Build:
Bless/AGI 10
Pneuma 1
Dec AGI 1
Occult 5
TSS 3
Guillotine Fist 5
Snap 1
Raging Palm 1
Zen 1
Leftover: 9
You could get Dec AGI 10 or any combination of TSS 5, Root 5, Steel Body 5, Heal 10

Gears:

Fatasm Alice Doll | +7 Feather Beret
Fatasm Sunglasses
Well Chewed Pencil
+5~+9 [Brave] Battlefield Morning Star (the one with 50% stun chance)
+4~7 Cranial Valkyrie Shield
+4~7 [DEX+3] Unfrozen Medics Robe
+7 Immune Commanders Manteau
Variant Shoes > +7 Fledged | Soul-Enchanted Combat Boots
2x Nimble Glove
1x Clairvoyant Clip/Glove
1x Hiding Clip/Glove
2x Ring of Mustle

Note: Champion gets a +9 STR Bonus
Alice Doll + BG Mace + 2x STR Ring = +10 STR, aka your next STR tier. Build with 61 or 71 base STR for this purpose.

 

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| AGI Champion
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| AGI Champion is a powerful extension to AGI Monk, but is really just the same class with a few new moves. Glacier Fist and Chain Crush Combo are powerful additions to your arsenal. Zen enables more comboing.
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No real change to your stats.


Edited by Jaffer, 15 July 2013 - 12:40 PM.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:33 AM

Generic stat building advice is added in this fashion:
Starting Stats
Stats before job change (which is around base 60~65)
Stats at level 90~95 and what you should save for last
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:08 AM

Great guide i'll make use of it. I wonder if this and other classic guides could be stickied.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:54 AM

Updated for recent gear changes and for a brief discussion of their Strengths and Weaknesses.

Also made it easier to quickly find a section.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:57 PM

I am planning to make an AGI monk. What weapons should I use? Would a vvs elemental fist[0] be an okay weapon for AGI monk?
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:56 AM

Elemental Fists are OKAY weapons. For maximum damage you should really rely on carded weapons (depending on your STR) and an endow. Since Classic has free accounts, making an endow slave is a requirement, not a bonus. With endowed weapons, you will be hitting an extra 40% (or more) damage per tap. Last I checked, Goblin Cards were extremely cheap and a good number of mobs are Brute so making a +7 3x Goblin Weapon shouldn't be hard.

As to whether Chain > Fist as an AGI Monk, I'm not sure. Chain is more damage per hit, Fist is more hits per second. You may actually want to stick to an arsenal of +6~+10 Chain[3]'s as an AGI Monk so your combo skills do maximum damage.

Champion section to come. Champion added.

Edited by Jaffer, 24 December 2012 - 03:33 PM.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 03:50 AM

Can this build be used for renewal monks?
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:36 AM

I wouldn't really know but there are plenty of Renewal guides available in this section. I am no renewal expert.
+Modified skill section to be prettier.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:40 AM

I've been working on my classic monk...and leveling him doesn't seem to be a problem ( I can 1 shot sleepers or 2 shot stag golems/soliders) once i get the right mace. Though whenever i get to champ i'm kinda stuck. I'd like to do a high dex/vit build with only 61~71 base str. But that kind of kills my ability solo well. Any idea's for where/how i might level? Or perhaps i should just leech it.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:10 AM

I've been working on my classic monk...and leveling him doesn't seem to be a problem ( I can 1 shot sleepers or 2 shot stag golems/soliders) once i get the right mace. Though whenever i get to champ i'm kinda stuck. I'd like to do a high dex/vit build with only 61~71 base str. But that kind of kills my ability solo well. Any idea's for where/how i might level? Or perhaps i should just leech it.

If you have 7x base STR you could still do Sleepers if you're willing to use +7 STR/DEX Food with a STR gear setup, Porc Armor, Pirate Dagger, Robo Eye, and a +10 2/1/1 Mace. (100 STR total, 70+30 at 80/40)
Seeing as that sounds... pricey, leeching after you finish doing Turtles with a priest is probably your best bet. Snap pulling in a GD can work too if you've got decent VIT by the time you start (which generally isn't the case unfortunately.)

Other than that, with 90 total STR you could do... Stings with TSS and a plain ol' fire Stunner (TSS 5 with 4 spheres will be sufficient, so you will always have some space to snap out of danger.) Painstaking but relatively painless and potentially profitable.

I'm not sure I'd recommend getting 61 base STR on a Champion just yet. That's more of a +6 KvM Mace build (especially if DRings/DRobe are out), since profs would tank a 61 STR fist with just apples and regular buffs. It'd also be pretty much impossible to level without a leech unless you have pure ATK Gear + Good Turtles Weapon (I doubt 3x Clam will cut it).

With 71 base STR and foods you can still manage:
100~110 STR (71+29~71+39 w/ Superiors and 2x STR Ring for damage setup)
87~90 VIT (70+17~73+17 depending on your DEX)
136~144 DEX (97+39~99+45 depending on gear and Box of Gloom, 147 when stat enchants come out, 149 with Orleans Gloves, 150 with BG Mace. )
Which is pretty solid. It's also a "future proof" build since you're relying on natural STR bonuses, but you can still manage that +10 STR boost when needed via: Alice Doll+Black Devil Mask+2x STR Rings for when Variants come out.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:36 AM

fantatsic! ok i'll aim for the 71str build. ya base vit was between 70~73 and dex either at 96 or 99 base. If i could get instant cast...i'll definitely go for it. Oh man i forgot, i could make a dame of sentinal diablos robe...
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 01:07 PM

Going to try and get some screenshots of the skills later to give a preview of what they're like.

If anyone feels like helping, my Champ does not have:
Glacier Fist
Raging Palm Strike (SOON.)
Chain Crush Combo

If you could provide a screencap of these (cut to just show the animation) it would be so dearly appreciated.

... I should probably request a sticky.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:32 PM

Woohoo. Updates coming when I get home tonight to reflect new gear.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:54 AM

Making an MVP champ; a bit undecided about INT and DEX
I plan to use it to solo easy low/mid-low tier bosses, but I would like it to be a good damage dealer for tanked/partied harder mid-high/high tier MVPing.
I plan to not get VIT at all; thinking of getting 8x INT and 6x DEX.....or.....should I reverse and do 6x INT and 8x DEX instead(since on your guide it said ill be fine with just 4x INT even)
btw, im just a casual player (gonna be busy irl again soon) so im just average gear-wise (ill probably just end up with morpheus set), and I probably wont even get to do any comping at all.
So yeah, can't quite decide on the final build - unless I make a 3rd champ (WoE-er, solo-MVPer, and tanked-MVPer? I doubt I'll have the time though haha)
- I guesss im too fixated on the classic 99str, 99int "PURE" MVP build that I might be neglecting DEX.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:00 AM

hmm i still relay on int str dex vit build just sharing my opinion.
int 4+
dex +9+
Str+ 6+ or 7+
Vit 6+
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:59 PM

Making an MVP champ; a bit undecided about INT and DEX
I plan to use it to solo easy low/mid-low tier bosses, but I would like it to be a good damage dealer for tanked/partied harder mid-high/high tier MVPing.
I plan to not get VIT at all; thinking of getting 8x INT and 6x DEX.....or.....should I reverse and do 6x INT and 8x DEX instead(since on your guide it said ill be fine with just 4x INT even)
btw, im just a casual player (gonna be busy irl again soon) so im just average gear-wise (ill probably just end up with morpheus set), and I probably wont even get to do any comping at all.
So yeah, can't quite decide on the final build - unless I make a 3rd champ (WoE-er, solo-MVPer, and tanked-MVPer? I doubt I'll have the time though haha)
- I guesss im too fixated on the classic 99str, 99int "PURE" MVP build that I might be neglecting DEX.


I personally wouldn't go above 50 INT base on an MvP Champ. That cast speed is extremely important. With a 9x build, proper weapon and morph set you'll easily hit in the 100k~125k unlexed, no amount of int will let you one-shot anything with that gear set above... Eddga and Missy, maybe.

Fast cast = fast recovery. With enough dex you could consider an MvP Champ a DPS build!

hmm i still relay on int str dex vit build just sharing my opinion.
int 4+
dex +9+
Str+ 6+ or 7+
Vit 6+



In that video I have 81 total VIT (because of my level) and stun is still an issue. Too many things stun you for you not to have high VIT on a Champ:
Meteor Storm
BG Staff
Dazzler
Status Weapons

Even at 90 total VIT, the marginal time you are stunned remains deadly.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:10 PM

Reorganizing this. Making Monk builds less prevalent. Adding contemporary Champion builds.

Updated for emminent BG Gear.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:30 AM

Added Valkyrie Shield, Stat enchanted gears to the list.
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:16 PM

Updated. Feather Beret added to the build, scratched off +3 DEX Deadly Medics Robe because of the Ghostring Proc. +3 DEX Deadly Medic's Robe will be useful once Nameless comes out, though.
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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:39 PM

Don't really like monks for a reason...
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Posted 23 June 2013 - 06:02 AM

Jaffer you have provided me an fabulous and knowledge getting instructions for me.This post must be a great help for me in my future prospects....!


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 11:58 AM

I am currently porting this (slowly) to iRO Wiki.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:41 PM

Added Variant Shoes to the gear list, Wiki is updated for Classic.


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 06:45 PM

Necroing because I am curious. Do people still make monks this way, especially the agi combo type one.

 

As far as I see, everyone just sits in ID3 getting leeched, then stands up a 99 champ...  :p_omg:

 

Anyway, I am interested at agi combo monk, see if I can level it the old style without leeching... until I lose sanity.

 

Any tips/builds/pointers/hints/advices appreciated!!


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