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#26 Facekiller

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

kro doesnt have bots because they have to sign up with government issued ID numbers... if iro did something like that only players in America could access the servers

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#27 Kadelia

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:52 PM

Kro had bot in the past
and ur talk proove my point that Gravity with iRo can stop botting but they dont want
They r old server and in the past they had bots and I THINK Zeny is too much there people almost have every thing

I heard in jRo and kRo they bot but not so much, but I'm certain that they botted in the past , about now dunno

kRO doesn't have bots because in order to make an account on the game, you need to provide a social security number and be Korean yourself. Therefore, this drastically cuts avenues for bot-farming and people who get their bot banned can't just make another account. Sure, if iRO limited RO to USA Social Security Numbers, then yeah, they could almost totally eliminate botting. But I don't think many people would stand for that.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

kRO doesn't have bots because in order to make an account on the game, you need to provide a social security number and be Korean yourself. Therefore, this drastically cuts avenues for bot-farming and people who get their bot banned can't just make another account. Sure, if iRO limited RO to USA Social Security Numbers, then yeah, they could almost totally eliminate botting. But I don't think many people would stand for that.

But still its the first server, and its super old server
and there They have renwel and I heard there is a new patch now 160 lv not sure
also In aRo the server was working well, but with GM support like they make too many events and win zeny and like that
I think kRo is like that, if its not like tht it would be so silly to play and collect zeny from items and I know its impossible

u r jumping of the main point of the topic
let's make it about iRo only if u dont get the difference
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

If classic didn't have bots now, no one will be lv 99 in 2 days by burning thousands of strawberries and having +9 and +7 gears and zeny for white pots or whatever

Classic when it started, before bot gets so much money, it was so cheap
100 kps = 50k zeny I remember

now 100kps= many millions...

No bot = cheap server but rare items
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:00 PM

iro doesnt have ways to keep bots out... botting let people get lazy... but that doesnt mean that we NEED bot... we dont want bots and the only people who do want bots either are lazy, dont understand how botting effects things, or they are botters...
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

There is a button right next to that "Quote" button there called "MultiQuote". Use it.

Interesting avatar btw. Don't see people using pictures of Israel too often.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

if you're not supporting botting, then don't make topics that promote botting.

i really, really want the ability to dislike posts on the forums back.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

if you're not supporting botting, then don't make topics that promote botting.

i really, really want the ability to dislike posts on the forums back.



It was seriously abused and thats why it was removed. While some posts certainly do merit a "dislike", in the overall it would be a bad idea to re-introduce the system again.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:52 PM

I don't drink either xD
Dude my point is, preventing botting is very possible and some pvt servers did it, its related to the system not to the kind of server

lets say pvt is different, Any gm can cross most of famous maps of botting in 30mins or 1h and bann 90% of botting
if only 3 gms cleaned the server they need 1h to clean all botting

My point again is GMs know they cannot bann all bot, they just make balance in botting ;-)

You saying this means you didn't fully read what I last said in my earlier post. You do not have professional botters trying to bot private servers. Hackshield/Gameguard are useless. There are countless ways to bypass them. Using them as examples is a display of how little you've researched anti-botting measures.

kRO doesn't have bots because they require all players to register using a Korean Social Security Number. jRO doesn't have as many bots as well due to the fact they block out all IP's except for their own region. It would not be iRO if we had to do any of these to reduce/prevent botting.


Warp Portal does not have the staff to keep up with all the botting that goes on in iRO and all of its other games. Do not forget that they host games other than Ragnarok Online. They apparently do not have the luxury to afford a single GM to watch all the botting activities in all the games 24/7. All they can do is ban a single large batch of them here and there. They do not allow botting. All they can manage to do is make a small dent in the botting population, which can be easily replaced pretty damn fast in a matter of minutes.

Bottom line is, the GM's do not support botting. They simply don't have the staff available to do these active bot checks 24/7 like many people have proposed before.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

Why don't you read the 52493186291 earlier threads on botting and see how they ended?
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:39 PM

But still its the first server, and its super old server
and there They have renwel and I heard there is a new patch now 160 lv not sure
also In aRo the server was working well, but with GM support like they make too many events and win zeny and like that
I think kRo is like that, if its not like tht it would be so silly to play and collect zeny from items and I know its impossible

u r jumping of the main point of the topic
let's make it about iRo only if u dont get the difference

Uhm, okay. Let me try to make things clear.

Your argument is Ragnarok Online, as it is designed, cannot function well without bots.

This was immediately refuted with concrete evidence as false, because at least one host of RO is bot-free and their game functions properly.

In an argument this is where you try to come up with a counterpoint and not go "nuh... uh! You're not allowed to use THAT fact because it doesn't support my fake point I made up!"

I hope we're on the same page now :)
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:40 PM

Is this the same topic creator on multi language support in RO?

Oh.... nothing to see here. GOOD BYE.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:03 PM

Plenty of people farm their own mats and other goods, it's not really that hard to do. It's what we used to do in Ymir, and it's probably what people did in Yggdrasil as well; our smaller populations were less attractive to for-profit botters and made it necessary to find our own stuff. Those servers' economies functioned quite well. Also, as mentioned previously by other posters, kRO and other servers with low-to-nonexistent bot populations also have thriving communities and healthy economies. I don't think that you've really thought your argument through, OP. Botting is bad for the game. It makes people less likely to learn to be self-sufficient and encourages lazy play, it sinks prices on the goods that newbies can easily obtain and makes it harder for new people to get on their feet, and it introduces large amounts of surplus zeny into the market every day, causing massive inflation.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

If you remove bots people are FORCED to hunt their own stuff, forcing them to spend supplies (pots, gums and such) to get a certain card that they need for WoE. I believe that bots eliminated one of the few zenny sinks in the server.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

in fact they push zeny into the game by NPC the extra crap they pick up while going after those rare goodies.....
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

they should ban the CP teams main account holders that bot down in AB3 that kill parties.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:44 PM

they should ban the CP teams main account holders that bot down in AB3 that kill parties.

are you complaining about this in EVERY thread?... screenshot it and ticket in... GMs and CMs are even working and they most likely wont go back and read the forum threads when they do...
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:52 AM

hello

First of all, I'm not a botter and I don't support them in the topic but we wanna talk about this

but lets face it...
-What would hapen if there is no bots? when some one pay cash, and he wanna sell his kps, who will buy it and where the zeny will come from? we all know most of zeny came from selling items from botters I guess
-also if u wanna make +9 muffler for example, who will sell u many many pieces? u can go to a merchant who is selling 10 mufflers but 90% maybe he is a botter? or maybe u will farm all ur gears manualy?
-where the zeny will come from? I remember in my ex server when we were noobs and bot is rare, GM were pumping money to fix the economy like 1m for every player some times I use like 1m pots in 1 day or more, imagine if 50 players did it again in 1 day, where the wasted zeny is going? no where, and how it comes from? from bot
-Really gravity and warpportal cannot ban bot? of course they can I think... but the want it to be limited not to be so common, even some private servers prevented it, if u just opened a bot u will be banned in 1 moment automatically.
I mean i dont think bot will be prevented here, in the renwel server bot is an issue since years years ago, in aRo also they changed hack shield suddenly and it catched all botters, but then the company edited the bot so it was working against the hack shield. in bRo, euro, fRo...etc they never prevented botting 100%, they just bann some people who bot madly

again : Notice : I'm not a bot supporter or user lol


"again : Notice : I'm not a bot supporter or user lol" - HAHAHAAHAHAHA
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:00 AM

even if they don't have the manpower to completely eliminate bots, they should at least tighten the security and ban main accounts connected to the IP. that way people will not bot rashly (except those zeny sellers). the problem now is there is no fear in botting/exploiting because everyone just knows that they wouldn't get banned.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:06 AM

Most of the botters are paying customers, one good reason not to bann.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:14 AM

Most of the botters are paying customers, one good reason not to bann.


that's by far the dumbest statement i ever read on these forums. someone should get you a medal.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:19 AM

when are they gonna lock the thread? its totally pointless

YOU ARE EITHER WITH BOTTERS OR AGAINST EM

if your with them u deserve a ban period.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:22 AM

that's by far the dumbest statement i ever read on these forums. someone should get you a medal.


It's not, Gravity is a business and making money will always be the highest priority. They can't afford to start banning paying customers seeing how low the population is atm.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:01 AM

other paying customers leave because botting ruins the game... to say that just because they pay means they shouldnt be banned make it sound like you slept without your helmet on and the soft spot on your skull caved in... say it with me BOTTING IS BAD... its against the Terms of Service agreement and to not ban them would be like saying "do whatever you want as long as you give us money" ultimately they would lose customers and the server would close
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:05 AM

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