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#51 Raidius

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:32 PM

you linked a empty build
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 04:44 PM

there u go
http://www.ro2base.c...1.1.8/0.0.0.0.0
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 04:52 PM

If you don't plan on using Shadow Form too often, I would suggest taking 2 skill points out of Shadow Fiend and placing them in Poisoning Weapon. It'll help more for your DPS than you would think.
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Posted 23 May 2013 - 03:35 AM

Shadow Fiend works without Shadow Form. Shadow Explosion and Shadow Strike are useless though without Form since you cant use them... I'd just become a Rogue if you're not using Form... but then you probably won't use doping... so may as well become Warrior >.>...

But Poisioning weapon > Hiding 3/3. Hiding 3/3 is just a movement speed boost which is meh.
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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:59 AM

what's up with shadow explosion? it seems weaker than deadly blow...
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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:36 PM

Faulken, I'd like to say that your guide is AWESOME. Thank you for your time!


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:20 AM

what's up with shadow explosion? it seems weaker than deadly blow...


Maybe you're not using it right?
At level 42, my DB generates somewhere between 5xx and 1xxx damage with 5 combo points.
Shadow explosion generates somewhere between 7xx and 14xx damage.
Both of them are at level 5...
While typing this, I just remembered something important: the skill animation.
That, and the obvious "you'll be using DB more often than Shadow Explosion, because of cool down"
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:00 AM

To all the PvP Sins, could you help me with my build?

http://www.ro2skills...0dnrbeBdnrbrFrA

I am unsure about maxing SA... It would be better getting Genocide Mark instead so this build would also work for PvE but I really like PvP more.

Since Poison Weapon gives way too little dps increase, I thought about maxing SA so when I iniciate with Hiding it would cause a great burst/kill steal.

What do you guys think?

Thanks in advance,

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:28 AM

Maybe you're not using it right?
At level 42, my DB generates somewhere between 5xx and 1xxx damage with 5 combo points.
Shadow explosion generates somewhere between 7xx and 14xx damage.
Both of them are at level 5...
While typing this, I just remembered something important: the skill animation.
That, and the obvious "you'll be using DB more often than Shadow Explosion, because of cool down"


yea DB is insta cast while SE has longer animation. as i leveled up SE I have noticed a significant increase in damage compared to DB. maybe lvl 5 DB > lvl 1 SE
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Posted 25 May 2013 - 12:15 PM

yea DB is insta cast while SE has longer animation. as i leveled up SE I have noticed a significant increase in damage compared to DB. maybe lvl 5 DB > lvl 1 SE


The only thing I've noticed is DB seems to crit more than SE, I get the feeling it has a hidden bonus to critical rate or something because it crits far more than it should (Statistically speaking).
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Posted 26 May 2013 - 01:40 PM

Woah, looks awesome!
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Posted 26 May 2013 - 01:40 PM

Thank you so much!
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Posted 26 May 2013 - 01:46 PM

Lol,
"Ugly after shadow form"
Well that sucks.
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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:58 AM

more improved so to speak this works out well for me tho

http://www.ro2base.c...1.1.1/0.0.0.0.0
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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:49 PM

Did u also know u can use Shadow Explosion With out shadow form
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 05:54 AM

can understand you dont like how shadow form looks but why gimp yourself like that...?
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 02:09 PM

what's up with shadow explosion? it seems weaker than deadly blow...


I noticed this same thing on my level 38 Sin... first number is a normal hit and the second is a crit. Both Shadow Explosion and Deadly Blow are at 5/5, Shadow Form is at 5/5 and I tested this on the same mob respawn 10 times to make sure there wasn't that much of dmg variance.

293/493 shadow explosion
385/782 deadly blow

Maybe Shadow Explosion gets better at 50? I don't see how but I will revisit this thread when I get there.
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Posted 09 June 2013 - 12:21 PM

assassins are squishy wtf and y
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Posted 09 June 2013 - 10:52 PM

assassins are squishy wtf and y


Shadow Armor is your friend. Max it.
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Posted 10 June 2013 - 04:21 PM

if i max Shadow armor ill be cutting off poison to 1
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 05:06 PM

k... just hit 50 so this is still without good gear.

450/1015 Shadow Explosion 5/5 at 5 combo points
650/1300 Deadly Blow 5/5 at 5 combo points

Tested on Desert Peco Baby around 30 kills for a decent average on each skill. In this test 1/30 times Shadow Explosion did 800ish dmg non-crit which means it could possibly do around 1600 crit damage, however, that's a very low percentage of having that high dmg compared to deadly blow that is highly reliable (the average was basically consistent without it going higher or lower).

Does anything else influence Shadow Explosion damage? Maybe gear and gear upgrading will make a difference in the variance of high/low average damage?

This is the build I used for leveling:
http://www.ro2skills...0hNrceBdorbrFdA

I'm thinking about getting a skill reset to only have 1 Hiding and move points out of Dark Illusion (this skill was awesome for questing, IMO)... dunno why my Shadow Explosion is so weak tho. I feel like I might want to ditch getting it all together and just sticking with Deadly Blow and maybe moving those points to Poisoning Weapon and MoG. Might need to rename my class to Super Thief. :heh:
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:22 PM

Does that count the fact that Shadow Explosion is multiple hits not just one? You have to count all the hits together not just one. Shadow Explosion IS better, if its not, then its a bug, end of story. It's a higher damage % so it's better, its that simple, but the thing is the damage is spread over 2 (or possibly 3, can't quite remember) hits, where as Deadly Blow is all the damage in one hit.

Only thing thats "better" about Deadly Blow is the speed of it.
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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:46 AM

Well Shadow Explosion is our only 2nd tier finisher so no choice but to put skill points on it. The only time I find it awesome is when both strikes are critical hits.

I have a question; Should we really max shadow strike? 42% damage every 20 secs seems not very usefu to mel. I only have 1 at the moment and only serves as a combo point generator.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 06:01 AM

Well Shadow Explosion is our only 2nd tier finisher so no choice but to put skill points on it. The only time I find it awesome is when both strikes are critical hits.

I have a question; Should we really max shadow strike? 42% damage every 20 secs seems not very usefu to mel. I only have 1 at the moment and only serves as a combo point generator.


Can you make that difference in damage up somewhere else? If not, the points are better making it 5/5.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:53 PM

Does that count the fact that Shadow Explosion is multiple hits not just one? You have to count all the hits together not just one. Shadow Explosion IS better, if its not, then its a bug, end of story. It's a higher damage % so it's better, its that simple, but the thing is the damage is spread over 2 (or possibly 3, can't quite remember) hits, where as Deadly Blow is all the damage in one hit.

Only thing thats "better" about Deadly Blow is the speed of it.


I hadn't noticed it was doing the same dmg twice! I see that now.... this game needs a better combat log that shows more than the obvious (the mob has died!). Which means these numbers need tweaking...

900/2030 Shadow Explosion 5/5 at 5 combo points
650/1300 Deadly Blow 5/5 at 5 combo points

So... then it is better! Thanks for opening my eyes to this before I spec'd out of it....
Even more hilarious when it comes to my blind eyes, I never noticed the skill effect for Shadow Fiend until I had it at 3/3 :heh:
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