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[huad]

I equipped chewing gum and popped an HEgum thinking they would stack, but no. When Chewing Gum activates, it cancels out the HEgum ==> I wasted 14min of my HEGum. working as intended? x_x

Edited by huad, 22 August 2013 - 11:02 PM.

[Perezoso15]

Yeah,oda or campitor said that'd happen in the maint thread when it was released.

Edited by Perezoso15, 22 August 2013 - 11:11 PM.

[beaupoem]

the warning is also in red in the item description

[Azerk]

LOL. It's not the chewing gum that fail.. If you know what i mean.

[huad]

the warning is also in red in the item description

 

 

LOL. It's not the chewing gum that fail.. If you know what i mean.

 

It doesn't say that anywhere in the in-game description, which is where people would actually look.

[Alicia]

the warning is also in red in the item description

 

 

LOL. It's not the chewing gum that fail.. If you know what i mean.

 

I know exactly what you mean.

 

Just checked in game - and  the red item description is no longer.

 

No clue how you guys got some likes on those posts. lol...

 

In case anyone is wondering, the Bubble Gum kafra items and Chewing Gum headgear don't stack!

 

Campitor stated on 7/10/2013 Maintenance Thread (page 8) that;

 

"it will overwrite other gums. We are adding a strong warning about this to the Chewing Gum Item right now."

Edited by Alicia, 23 August 2013 - 06:39 AM.

[Darksorrow1234]

i think the red warning description was there during the groove pack sale, but not anymore

[Scuba]

VIP + HE gum + Chewing Gum + 2x drops + Spotlight. GG

[huad]

so an important item description was on the 8th page of maintenance notes

 

i didn't decide to use chewing gum until yesterday, so there's no way I would have known, nor would other people who would come back to RO after a break and want to try this item

Edited by huad, 23 August 2013 - 06:14 AM.

[Alicia]

VIP + HE gum + Chewing Gum + 2x drops + Spotlight. GG

 

As mentioned earier, if you use an HE Bubble Gum, and your Chewing Gum activates, it will overide your existing HE Bubble Gum effect.

 

so an important item description was on the 8th page of maintenance notes

 

i didn't decide to use chewing gum until yesterday, so there's no way I would have known, nor would other people who would come back to RO after a break and want to try this item

 

That's right! ... unfortunately.

[Scuba]

As mentioned earier, if you use an HE Bubble Gum, and your Chewing Gum activates, it will overide your existing HE Bubble Gum effect.

 

 

That's right! ... unfortunately.

Was just pointing out how absurd of an expectation it would have been to add ANOTHER multiplier.

[huad]

Was just pointing out how absurd of an expectation it would have been to add ANOTHER multiplier.

 

you might think it's absurd now, but when you look back, game breaking -_- happens all the time

 

refining: HD ores + mighty hammer ===> enriched ores ===> safe to 7 certs ==> enriched hammer ===> safe to 10 certs

 

means easy mode refining

 

pots: fat whites/slims ===> rudolph hat ==> rudolph hat nerf but witch pumpkin hat remains original power

 

means save millions on pots, even billions. also can carry A LOT of pots, making easy mode lvling + cheap lvling

 

mvp summoner: allowing unlimited tao farming

 

means woe with taos all over the place

[DrAzzy]

I'm going to reference this thread in the item desc fixes thread. 

 

The description for this item absolutely needs that warning, and I swear it used to be there. 

[RoseRed21]

I'm going to reference this thread in the item desc fixes thread. 

 

The description for this item absolutely needs that warning, and I swear it used to be there. 

 

Agree, when Chewing Gum first came out the warning was in red in the description. I don't know why it was removed some time later.

[Alicia]

[...] I swear it used to be there. 

 

Yup! You're not losing your mind yet

 

This is also a great example of how you get something fixed right away before it becomes a stagnant issue. Good example to follow.

 

Go Azzy!

[Kadelia]

so if an item says it autocasts blessing on ne while attacking, I should expect that if I manually cast blessing on myself or get a priest to, I should expect the hat to give me a New double bless effect if the description doesn't say on red it will overwrite my normal bless? That is what I am taking away from this thread so far.

[huad]

so if an item says it autocasts blessing on ne while attacking, I should expect that if I manually cast blessing on myself or get a priest to, I should expect the hat to give me a New double bless effect if the description doesn't say on red it will overwrite my normal bless? That is what I am taking away from this thread so far.

 

he gum is an item. the drops increase from chewing gum is from equipment. none of which are skills. not the same comparison

 

anyway, thanks dr. azzy for posting it on the fix description for me

Edited by huad, 23 August 2013 - 09:05 AM.

[MizunoAoi]

he gum is an item. the drops increase from chewing gum is from equipment. none of which are skills. not the same comparison

 

Except don't they all give you a buff?

[ShinobiEX3]

he gum is an item. the drops increase from chewing gum is from equipment. none of which are skills. not the same comparison

 

anyway, thanks dr. azzy for posting it on the fix description for me

 

just woke up

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MIND BLOWN

 

 

Edited by ShinobiEX3, 23 August 2013 - 09:33 AM.

[huad]

Except don't they all give you a buff?

 

not going to waste my time to explain what i mean.

 

just close this thread, it served it's purpose already

[DrAzzy]

so if an item says it autocasts blessing on ne while attacking, I should expect that if I manually cast blessing on myself or get a priest to, I should expect the hat to give me a New double bless effect if the description doesn't say on red it will overwrite my normal bless? That is what I am taking away from this thread so far.

 

 

In most cases, you can't override a higher level buff with a lower one - so in the above example, the bless auto-casting item would either replace the lower level of bless you got (which will increase stats more, and increase the duration - no negative effect here), or it would do nothing (no negative effect here either). 

 

With chewing gum, the proc effect's 1 minute duration 1.75x drop buff will replace a 15 minute duration 3x drop buff (like if level 1 bless would blow away level 10 bless). 

 

 

The blessing status does not involve a major expenditure to obtain - it is unlimited, costing only SP from any aco class character. HE Gum is about 10mil a pop and has limited availability. 

[Kadelia]

he gum is an item. the drops increase from chewing gum is from equipment. none of which are skills. not the same comparison

So if i use bless scrolls from the kafra shop, then. ...?

Edited by Jaye, 23 August 2013 - 09:56 AM.

[DrAzzy]

So if i use bless scrolls from the kafra shop, then. ...?

 

It won't override the bless you currently have active unless the autocast effect is casting a higher level (which would have a longer duration and larger stat boost - so you'd have no grounds to object). 

 

But that's not how it works with the gum effect, which is sort of the whole point of this thread.  

[Kadelia]

adrenaline rush. has a weaker effect on party members than the caster. Some one casting ar will overwrite my paid for ar scrolls with a weaker effect.

[DrAzzy]

adrenaline rush. has a weaker effect on party members than the caster. Some one casting ar will overwrite my paid for ar scrolls with a weaker effect.

 

This is not a fair comparison. Party members can do all sorts of things to hinder you though (they could dispel you, endow you the wrong element, or drag too large a mob and wipe the party, wasting your kafra shop buffs).

 

Our point is that: 

* Chewing Gum overrides buffs with a much weaker version. This is not normal behavior in RO. You can't come up with any analogous situations, and neither can I. 

* The buff overridden by Chewing Gum is expensive and in limited supply. Even if buff scrolls could be lost like you proposed above, the size of the loss is trivial. 

* The GMs have in other places tried to warn us about this interaction, indicating they feel that notifying players about this is important.