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#51 CatMuto

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 10:39 AM

Anyone who is smart would never reveal how they make large amounts of zeny in a short time. If it involves market selling (in which most cases it does) all you would be doing is destroying that market.

 

Isn't ragnarok's market already broken? What would "more breaking" cause?

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 11:50 AM

You answered your own question though .-.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:14 PM

If you don't want to share the knowledge, is ok.

 

Still some nice tips have been posted here already and we can use them.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:49 PM

i was hunting certain cards that sell for a NICE chunk of change....


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:50 PM

Anyone who is smart would never reveal how they make large amounts of zeny in a short time. If it involves market selling (in which most cases it does) all you would be doing is destroying that market.

 

This.


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#56 CatMuto

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:52 PM

You answered your own question though .-.

 

Well what I mean is, if the market is already broken, how would it damage if it got more broken?
I mean... broken is broken.

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#57 msiajoe

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:43 PM

Anyone who is smart would never reveal how they make large amounts of zeny in a short time. If it involves market selling (in which most cases it does) all you would be doing is destroying that market.

 

then GM or Admin should stop people like you from manipulating and inflating the market  :pif:


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 03:12 PM

its not the GMs job to set fixed prices for items... if a legitimate player makes money in a legitimate way then they shouldnt be penalized for playing the market aspect of the game... i farm fast and sell multiples of certain high priced items at a lower cost than the competition.... i have the supply to meet the demand at a price people are more than happy to pay... since im farming its all profit... in fact i dont have to spend more than 100k to make 100mil... all i gotta do is spend my time...


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 05:27 PM

Toxn, make my next GTB drop a card pls. ty  :p_hi:


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 06:06 PM

Ill make its slaves drop a card


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 08:49 PM

Lrn2play

 

Well what I mean is, if the market is already broken, how would it damage if it got more broken?
I mean... broken is broken.

C-A

 

 

then GM or Admin should stop people like you from manipulating and inflating the market  :pif:

Horrible interpretations and also why posting anything of help here is pointless.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 08:57 PM

Ambur pls ._: Maybe someone will read the thread and the info provided will help then. Too bad most people read just the last page tho. :x


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 08:59 PM

People already posted really useful information and it was blown off. :P


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 09:00 PM

Not everyone who reads the topic posts in it. #IBELIEVE <3


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 09:02 PM

Doesn't change the fact that the OP and another keep posting negative back when people have tried to help. Hence, being helpful to them is pointless. Anyone* who has read the topic got help in the pages before this. Otherwise if people are only reading the last page, they are doing something wrong.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:57 AM

u think things are high?to me they look getting cheaper within time.

currently it feels like to me good to buy many things but sell stuff because always someone is selling cheaper than u.

my advice try get to know the market,watch all pront shops at least 1 time per day,check ragial and even look iro wiki database in search of monsters and drops.

u might if u have some zenny buy cheaper and selling higher but it's risky if u don't what u doin' or try drop stuff for yoself.

u need time and patience to play the game,u can't think in get zenny if u just play let's say half hour everyday or a hour or two in sundays.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:33 PM

i think the better is to make zeny quick is fighting mora dragon that drop oca. it common in high level with lvl 115 almost all job could do it yea with little expensive item like with pot or such but the point is getting the oca which sell 16.5m or more. even some one who might or want to destroy market make the oca drop maybe 6m it still worth for new player i guess.mora dungeon up every 90 minute or so with 2-3 char ushould get 500m at best a week with 3-4 hour play. at least this was realistic way to me. since i cant make my merchant sit all the day

 

and if u wana destroy this market  oca flow feel free to send gm a letter

1. to make mora dragon harder

2.not make mora dragon drop oca

3. u wana drop downthe price of market

 

 


Edited by kohakuchan, 18 December 2013 - 07:37 PM.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:38 PM

geez, it does not make any sense claiming you can make XXXM or XXXB zeny here.

 

the price went skyhigh is not only because of inflation, but also the rarity of items in this game.

 

If player can spend zeny to buy a lot of items in the game, who the heck would buy them in the overpriced market?

the only way to fix inflation is to consume zeny in the game.

 

One more solution is to upgrade the cash shop to reduce the rarity of items in this game, let players buy certain rare items with their $ in the the cash shop, not trade zeny with zeny sellers. 

as long as there is no need to buy zeny, most of the bots would disappear.

 

Don't argue that it is not fair, the world itself is like this.

some people go to somewhere by bus, but some people could go to the same place by their luxury vehicles.

 

You can spend HOURS or DAYS to FARM or CAMP or Anything to get a card at 0.02% chance.

But some people really don't mind spending $ to get the same thing in a second.

Time is precious


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:08 AM

Have you noticed how expensive some of the items sold by vendors? 99 millions zeny is almost norm for relatively good quality items. Some really good ones (god items, MVP drops, etc) can sell for hundreds of millions. Imagine you can collect 200,000 worth of items per day; you get only 73 millions in one year, and 730 millions in ten years! /omg

 

If the developers don't help us to reduce the price of expensive items, sooner or later players will find it dull to play as most of them are at losing end without being equipped properly. Only those players with billions of zeny can afford decent equipment and cards. And mind you, good equipment accounts for more than 60% of total game (be it WOE, PVP, MVP, PVM, etc) experience & battle effects.

 

that's a whole lot of bull

 

working at fast food chains as a pinion aint gonna make you rich, hence working in a not efficient way (e.g. 200,000 zeny loot per day) is your choice to be poor

 

- loot at orc dungeon and overcharge

- loot at nogg road and overcharge

- raydric cards are easy to farm

- get a friend and mvp

- pay to win with WPE, i dont encourage it but it HAS helped a lot of people get over the difficulty of starting and getting some decent  startups

- eden gears are free and can help you level

- enchant stuff and sell

- upgrade stuff

- do quests get ocas ( my one oca by slapping down an mvp in a couple minutes can be worth your 3 months work by your logic )

people who get loaded put in more effort than you do

- castles, woe, tower runs, mvp summons, 20+ characters

- if you dont work as hard as us dont whine if you aint rich as we are

 

dude do you catch my drift?!?!


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:53 AM

30 mins in orc dungeon using greed gets 200k plus the rough ori. A week of doing TI gives 7m if you can do 8 TI's a week minimum. Using greed in TI could net you 500k-2m if there are plenty of active parties.

 

1 hour of poison spore farming will net you 1m if you find a good buyer.

 

The only thing I'm not doing is Hazy Forest runs but I'm not sure what minimum level I should go there.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 07:07 AM

The only thing I'm not doing is Hazy Forest runs but I'm not sure what minimum level I should go there.

 

As soon as you can reliably hit the dragon with skills/autos/whatever. Being able to kill the mobs in there is a big plus but nothing's stopping you from using the hit and run method.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 09:08 PM

As soon as you can reliably hit the dragon with skills/autos/whatever. Being able to kill the mobs in there is a big plus but nothing's stopping you from using the hit and run method.

 

face to face with the dragon isnt hard too since this dragon only debuff u and his skill isnt really hurt much

 the problem is only becareful of his earthquake that all


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 09:10 PM

 

geez, it does not make any sense claiming you can make XXXM or XXXB zeny here.

 

the price went skyhigh is not only because of inflation, but also the rarity of items in this game.

 

If player can spend zeny to buy a lot of items in the game, who the heck would buy them in the overpriced market?

the only way to fix inflation is to consume zeny in the game.

 

One more solution is to upgrade the cash shop to reduce the rarity of items in this game, let players buy certain rare items with their $ in the the cash shop, not trade zeny with zeny sellers. 

as long as there is no need to buy zeny, most of the bots would disappear.

 

Don't argue that it is not fair, the world itself is like this.

some people go to somewhere by bus, but some people could go to the same place by their luxury vehicles.

 

You can spend HOURS or DAYS to FARM or CAMP or Anything to get a card at 0.02% chance.

But some people really don't mind spending $ to get the same thing in a second.

Time is precious

 

the one that not fair is the one who brag they can make money with 1-2 hour play but dont tell realistic idea how?. i know for them is realistic BUT FOR ONLY HIM/ HER SELF


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 12:11 AM

" But some people really don't mind spending $ to get the same thing in a second."

He already told you a possible way, its from kafra stuff

 

god do you read the posts? there are more than 10 suggestions here and you still want to be spoonfed? ><?


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 07:59 AM

" But some people really don't mind spending $ to get the same thing in a second."

He already told you a possible way, its from kafra stuff

 

god do you read the posts? there are more than 10 suggestions here and you still want to be spoonfed? ><?

 

sigh, no offence, but I doubt how many professional, or well educated players are in this game...

 

GOD, Don't you understand the word "liquidity"?

 

kafra items don't have good liquidity, my friend.

 

Let me make it simpler to understand....

 

Supposed you got a reset stone worth 100c, which costs you $1 to buy, people are paying 6M nowadays for it.

however, how many people are actually buying it at this particular time?

i guess less than 10 are active among 3500+ online players everyday.

 

So you have to spend a lot of time waiting for a buyer.

 

one more problem is that, who the heck decided the price?

it is a completely buyer's market

What if all these 10 people claiming they can only offer 1M for each of it.

Are you willing to sell your stone?

 

You know what, you can buy 100M from zeny sellers for only $5

even you can sell your stone at 10M each, it costs you $10 to get the same amount zeny.

 

rational consumer will choose zeny sellers as they are cheaper and quicker.

 

it is true that you may get banned, but every investment has its risk.

as long as it is profitable, people would do it at their own risk.


Edited by ZhaoLi, 21 December 2013 - 08:15 AM.

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