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#76 Kieri

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 08:32 AM

Wtf is wrong with you, do you ride the window licker bus?


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 08:57 AM

sigh, no offence, but I doubt how many professional, or well educated players are in this game...

 

GOD, Don't you understand the word "liquidity"?

 

kafra items don't have good liquidity, my friend.

 

Let me make it simpler to understand....

 

Supposed you got a reset stone worth 100c, which costs you $1 to buy, people are paying 6M nowadays for it.

however, how many people are actually buying it at this particular time?

i guess less than 10 are active among 3500+ online players everyday.

 

So you have to spend a lot of time waiting for a buyer.

 

one more problem is that, who the heck decided the price?

it is a completely buyer's market

What if all these 10 people claiming they can only offer 1M for each of it.

Are you willing to sell your stone?

 

You know what, you can buy 100M from zeny sellers for only $5

even you can sell your stone at 10M each, it costs you $10 to get the same amount zeny.

 

rational consumer will choose zeny sellers as they are cheaper and quicker.

 

it is true that you may get banned, but every investment has its risk.

as long as it is profitable, people would do it at their own risk.

 

your arguements are insanely flawed, if you are educated please let me know where the education comes from so i know where not to refer people to.

 

Investment tips:

 

1. "So you have to spend a lot of time waiting for a buyer."

- Reality: There are stuff that are hot and not so hot. Buy something not in season and expect to wait. Buy something over in supply and expect to wait

- Stocking up to make profit is only good before the demand tide hits otherwise you miss the boat

- Examples? Sure

- Evil march hat: Cheap as during previous events, up to 300m til latest box, i buy cheap sell for that 300m = profit?

- Slotting adverts: Previous cheap as, now price up

- BMX3: i remember sometime ago they sold like a few mil now 10+m. i sell 300+ of them = profit?

- GTBs: there was time it was like 10B+? now 35B? PROFIT

- seriously do i still need to name more? why do you expect to be spoonfed stuff?

 

2. Buying from the zeny selling bots is dumb

- they are bots, the bots make zeny for them, the bots get banned, but you buy the zeny so you get banned

- the sellers keep the money, you keep your banned account = you are noob

- rationale consumers get something that can stay hence do it the legit way and not get banned

- i.e. i invest in worthwhile stuff and have it increase in value and keep my account and laugh at noobs,

- i.e. you invest in perishables like zeny bot money and i laugh at your banned account

 

wierd arguments are wierd and if you wanna argue 1+1=3 its your choice.

p/s i have never sold WPE so dont even start, lol


Edited by MintRoyale, 21 December 2013 - 09:09 AM.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 10:18 AM

Anyone buying reset from cash shop to sell is doing it wrong as hell


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#79 ZhaoLi

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:10 AM

your arguements are insanely flawed, if you are educated please let me know where the education comes from so i know where not to refer people to.

 

Investment tips:

 

1. "So you have to spend a lot of time waiting for a buyer."

- Reality: There are stuff that are hot and not so hot. Buy something not in season and expect to wait. Buy something over in supply and expect to wait

- Stocking up to make profit is only good before the demand tide hits otherwise you miss the boat

- Examples? Sure

- Evil march hat: Cheap as during previous events, up to 300m til latest box, i buy cheap sell for that 300m = profit?

- Slotting adverts: Previous cheap as, now price up

- BMX3: i remember sometime ago they sold like a few mil now 10+m. i sell 300+ of them = profit?

- GTBs: there was time it was like 10B+? now 35B? PROFIT

- seriously do i still need to name more? why do you expect to be spoonfed stuff?

 

2. Buying from the zeny selling bots is dumb

- they are bots, the bots make zeny for them, the bots get banned, but you buy the zeny so you get banned

- the sellers keep the money, you keep your banned account = you are noob

- rationale consumers get something that can stay hence do it the legit way and not get banned

- i.e. i invest in worthwhile stuff and have it increase in value and keep my account and laugh at noobs,

- i.e. you invest in perishables like zeny bot money and i laugh at your banned account

 

wierd arguments are wierd and if you wanna argue 1+1=3 its your choice.

p/s i have never sold WPE so dont even start, lol

 

man,waiting for event itself is lack of liquidity. Season? geez, very funny, but true, you got to sell woe items during the weekend lol.

 

I play casually, and quite a few people play casually like me as well, sadly speaking, none of your examples works for me, never heard about them.

Your arguments simply make this game exclusive to people play a lot or have been playing for a long time.

Telling others your good old days does not help fix the issue.

 

buying zeny is not dumb, as long as this black market exists.

rationale consumers don't get something that can stay, they get things to meet their need.

 

Laughing at banned account due to buying zeny is nonsense.

It is risky but I don't think people will 100% get caught. (or will they?)

If they don't get caught, and they can laugh at you working so hard, in a game?

 

 

Let's go back to the original topic.

to reduce the price is impossible since it is not decided by GMs.

But we have VIP system, and cash shop

What I want to say is that, I personally hope to see more choice in the cash shop.

where i can spend $ in a way that everyone is happy.

 

That is it. i have no more replies to this topic.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:20 AM

So by your standards people who only log in for say an hour a day should be in the same position as those who log in twice as much etc.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:25 AM

So by your standards people who only log in for say an hour a day should be in the same position as those who log in twice as much etc.

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no, but you should have choice to pay to do so.

that is why there is vip and battle manual, right?


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:36 AM

No that isn't why there is VIP and Battle manual those are to help with levelling and getting some kind of reward for helping to support the servers cost and development. And no you shouldn't be able to do so I have no idea how that makes sense in your head, I would say just gtfo this game and play something else where you can do so, people invest time into things and you have no right to claim that the time invested is worthless and should be able to just pay to get whatever you want instead of putting in some kind of effort. I don't what kind of games you play that allow that but it's utterly stupid, please proceed to the log out button of these forums and never come back.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:55 AM

No that isn't why there is VIP and Battle manual those are to help with levelling and getting some kind of reward for helping to support the servers cost and development. And no you shouldn't be able to do so I have no idea how that makes sense in your head, I would say just gtfo this game and play something else where you can do so, people invest time into things and you have no right to claim that the time invested is worthless and should be able to just pay to get whatever you want instead of putting in some kind of effort. I don't what kind of games you play that allow that but it's utterly stupid, please proceed to the log out button of these forums and never come back.

 

support the servers cost and development?

 

do you think Gravity Corp or WP. is a NPO or charity or st.?

 

I don't claim people's time and effort are worthless, and I don't like a game if you can buy everything as well.

 

but certain improvement on the cash shop won't hurt anyone i think

 

ah, I made a false statement, I guess this one would be my last reply.

 

 

PS.if i have a choice i have already swapped myself to JRO instead.


Edited by ZhaoLi, 21 December 2013 - 11:57 AM.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 12:01 PM

There is no point arguing with you, I made my point. Arguing with an idiot is like trying to have a conversation with a brick wall.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 12:18 PM

mada mada desune....


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 08:06 AM

your arguements are insanely flawed, if you are educated please let me know where the education comes from so i know where not to refer people to.

 

Investment tips:

 

1. "So you have to spend a lot of time waiting for a buyer."

- Reality: There are stuff that are hot and not so hot. Buy something not in season and expect to wait. Buy something over in supply and expect to wait

- Stocking up to make profit is only good before the demand tide hits otherwise you miss the boat

- Examples? Sure

- Evil march hat: Cheap as during previous events, up to 300m til latest box, i buy cheap sell for that 300m = profit?

- Slotting adverts: Previous cheap as, now price up

- BMX3: i remember sometime ago they sold like a few mil now 10+m. i sell 300+ of them = profit?

- GTBs: there was time it was like 10B+? now 35B? PROFIT

- seriously do i still need to name more? why do you expect to be spoonfed stuff?

 

2. Buying from the zeny selling bots is dumb

- they are bots, the bots make zeny for them, the bots get banned, but you buy the zeny so you get banned

- the sellers keep the money, you keep your banned account = you are noob

- rationale consumers get something that can stay hence do it the legit way and not get banned

- i.e. i invest in worthwhile stuff and have it increase in value and keep my account and laugh at noobs,

- i.e. you invest in perishables like zeny bot money and i laugh at your banned account

 

wierd arguments are wierd and if you wanna argue 1+1=3 its your choice.

p/s i have never sold WPE so dont even start, lol

but the most danger think u do that iro gm like to troll u dont know when or will some item gonna really worth

like Fallen angel wing there are time it just 20m les now it 300m and what happen like rudolf ( i know it wrong not in christmas) but when it nerf it was so trolling the price


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