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#51 Rainnowx

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 10:22 PM

unless im tri clienting, which i dont like to do either.

Looking back, it could be confusing, unless you put an emphasis on the parts that need it.

(No offense.)


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#52 zirothos

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 08:07 AM

i got a small question, what can we expect from the Wednesday event.

 

i know the CF will be remove but what kind of event will replace it? is the nostagia weapon box will stay with some modification for the item requirement?

 

Is the next event have a F7?

 

is more box item will use gold coin?  XD we got so many now^^

 

that my small question^^

 

have a nice day/ night and happy gaming


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#53 Prockzone

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 09:40 AM

As its only one more day til wednesday this question will most probably be answered in the next server maintenance thread :p_smile:


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 10:54 AM

if i open at laptop my main char ..
And if i open sec id pc is that illegal?
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Posted 24 February 2015 - 11:00 AM

As far as I know, this is already considered multiclienting. Because you get an advantage by being online with multiple characters at the same time.

 

To answer your question: Yes, it is illegal


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 11:49 AM

Long story short: yes.


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 12:48 PM

the only way to be legal  is to have someone in front of the PC playing. like a friend or your brother/sister

 

any way how can they know there relay someone playing. and with the job part many left the character afk gathering stuff. so when is that become illegal?

 

when we are farming mission or dungeon like paris or elga etc...    <------------

 

 

 


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 02:04 PM

the only way to be legal  is to have someone in front of the PC playing. like a friend or your brother/sister

 

any way how can they know there relay someone playing. and with the job part many left the character afk gathering stuff. so when is that become illegal?

 

when we are farming mission or dungeon like paris or elga etc...    <------------

 

Being online with 2 different chars of yours at the exact same time is considered as multi clienting - illegal.

It doesn't matter whatever what char of those is doing. One of them could be dancing in PoW and the other one standing on Elga's head, it doesn't matter - not at all. 2 chars of yours at the exact same time in the game, both controlled by only you (yes setting one of them afk farming is included, cause YOU did set that char afk farming, while going dungeons with the other one) is illegal. No more no less. 

It never became illegal, it always has been. If being able to play with more than one char of yours at the same time  would have been intended, your DS client wouldn't refuse to start more than once 


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 05:46 PM

With all do respect, Don't we have better things to do like fixing bugs/update/event that actually works than wasting too much time bothering about multi client. Since when did multi clientimg become harmful in the game? 2 GMs in the past never bothered to push this issue, why now?
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Posted 24 February 2015 - 06:17 PM

we know that^^ but we are only talking between player.  what can we do else right now until some new event or event fix comes xD. we are just passing time on the forum to have fun that all. and make some stuff clear in the same time.


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 06:30 PM

what? Multi Client Is not Allowed ? People in game told me they do it all the time  :hmm:  This game can't prevent 3rd party programs or something?


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 09:44 PM

what? Multi Client Is not Allowed ? People in game told me they do it all the time  :hmm:  This game can't prevent 3rd party programs or something?

 

You can bet, if they can not prevent them, they can at least detect them and let their users feel the consequences :p_smile:


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 11:39 PM

With all do respect, Don't we have better things to do like fixing bugs/update/event that actually works than wasting too much time bothering about multi client. Since when did multi clientimg become harmful in the game? 2 GMs in the past never bothered to push this issue, why now?

this major bs, are you guys telling me you're searching out multi clienters more than scammers,spammers, and trollers? Lol
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Posted 24 February 2015 - 11:51 PM

Multi-clienting has always been a grey area, any use of multi-clienting that gave you an unfair advantage over others isn't allowed.


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 11:53 PM

this major bs, are you guys telling me you're searching out multi clienters more than scammers,spammers, and trollers? Lol

 

I only told something regarding multi clienting because the subject came up by a players post. This does not imply that nothing is done against the other issues you mentioned. That also doesn't mean that one issue is weighted more than another. The actions taken are purely decided by the support team. Regarding player accounts the support team is the only entity which has access to the databases, investigates account issues, can suspend players and finally decides what kind of action will follow.


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:11 AM

Multi-clienting has always been a grey area, any use of multi-clienting that gave you an unfair advantage over others isn't allowed.


Storm you're only saying this because you've quit this game. You could care less about this game. Furthermore, even you yourself used to double client with Ann's account Don't be a hypocrite.

I only told something regarding multi clienting because the subject came up by a players post. This does not imply that nothing is done against the other issues you mentioned. That also doesn't mean that one issue is weighted more than another. The actions taken are purely decided by the support team. Regarding player account the support team is the only entity which has access to the databases, investigates account issues, can suspend players and finally decides what kind of action will follow.

And popcorn the way you went about this was so bad. There are a lot of people who don't follow the dragon saga facebook page and had no prior knowledge of this. One of my friend's already got banned because they had no idea of this. You should have made an in game announcement. The way you went about it was all wrong.

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:19 AM

I actually do come on the game every now and then to play and do pvp.

 

I've always stated, even while leader of Finale, that multi-clienting has always been a grey area. There was confirmation from both Nolanvoid and Shazam on the subject that multi clienting was allowed as long as you didn't use it to give you an unfair advantage over others. There's been  a recent stiong of people that were using multi clienting+use a program that allowed them to control multiple characters at once which has caused them to be banned.


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:23 AM

Storm you're only saying this because you've quit this game. You could care less about this game. Furthermore, even you yourself used to double client with Ann's accountarrow-10x10.png. Don't be a hypocrite.

And popcorn the way you went about this was so bad. There are a lot of people who don't follow the dragon saga facebook page and had no prior knowledge of this. One of my friend's already got banned because they had no idea of this. You should have made an in game announcement. The way you went about it was all wrong.

 

There actually was an announcement to read yesterday (though it was not ingame). You might think of the rank of Popcorn, as he is a Voluntary Moderator and has limited rights and knowledge before you make him the scapegoat for decisions he might not even knew about / were not in his influence to make :p_smile:

 

I am sorry for your friend. But lack of knowledge does not protect you from getting punished for illegal actions. And multi-clienting outside of Port of Winds Farm was already prohibited before as it would be a big advantage if you just could farm Kryos with multiple chars of your own than with only one character. If it actually was legal (what has never been the case), people with only 1 computer at home would be at disadvantage because they might not have enough money for a 2nd or 3rd one (and could because of that only farm with 1 character at the same time).
 


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:28 AM

And popcorn the way you went about this was so bad. There are a lot of people who don't follow the dragon saga facebook page and had no prior knowledge of this. One of my friend's already got banned because they had no idea of this. You should have made an in game announcement. The way you went about it was all wrong.

 

I didn't know about that post on the Facebook page, I haven't been informed yet. I just saw it 2 minutes ago. Actually your post made me have a look. I will announce this here on the forums as soon as I get an announcement regarding this greenlighted. I will announce it in-game then too. 

 

I do not make announcements on Facebook or on the offiicial Dragon Saga page, because I have no access to them.  I greatly appologize for this confusion. 


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:30 AM

I actually do come on the game every now and then to play and do pvp.

 

I've always stated, even while leader of Finale, that multi-clienting has always been a grey area. There was confirmation from both Nolanvoid and Shazam on the subject that multi clienting was allowed as long as you didn't use it to give you an unfair advantage over others. There's been  a recent stiong of people that were using multi clienting+use a program that allowed them to control multiple characters at once which has caused them to be banned.

But that's not the case here, they're not differentiating between those whom use double client for innocent reasons and those who use it to control different characters at the same time. And yes shazam did say that but why are our options being taken away. "There was confirmation from both Nolanvoid and Shazam on the subject that multi clienting was allowed as long as you didn't use it to give you an unfair advantage over others." Why is popcorn stating otherwise?

There actually was an announcement to read yesterday (though it was not ingame). You might think of the rank of Popcorn, as he is a Voluntary Moderator and has limited rights and knowledge before you make him the scapegoat for decisions he might not even knew about / were not in his influence to make :p_smile:
 

No, popcorn was the one who brought it up, which is why im upset about it. There was a forum post or in game talk where someone asked popcorn about double client. He stated it was bannable but stormhaven and other gm's of before contradict what he is saying. 


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:30 AM

so what if i make a character name TamleRojo and afk farm beside TamaleRojo who is also pow farming and take a SS and report saying this guy is multiclienting in pow farm... sure u can check IP but the arguement of using 2 different connections/ 2 different computers with one guy controlling still holds. I can use this method to ban everyone in the game


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:32 AM

so what if i make a character name TamleRojo and afk farm beside TamaleRojo who is also pow farming and take a SS and report saying this guy is multiclienting in pow farm... sure u can check IP but the arguement of using 2 different connections/ 2 different computers with one guy controlling still holds. I can use this method to ban everyone in the game


this also scares me ^

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:32 AM

so what if i make a character name TamleRojo and afk farm beside TamaleRojo who is also pow farming and take a SS and report saying this guy is multiclienting in pow farm... sure u can check IP but the arguement of using 2 different connections/ 2 different computerswith one guy controlling still holds. I can use this method to ban everyone in the game


Oops double post

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:41 AM

According to my friends who have played more than 2 years, back then multi-clienting was approved by warpportal. Eventhough it was against the rules but it wasn't too bad and almost it has been applied by afk-ers at pow farm which was ok at the time. But why suddenly we aren't allowed to have mass profession farming? at which side you feel bothered?

I'm agree with Rabbicarpo that many people don't follow both of the dragonsaga facebook page and forum. My friend got banned because of this. The way you did, just making it worse and considered unfair. It's better we do something else just like oClarky said. We still have many things that we should do, as well looking into the bugs/update/event and fix them.
 


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:49 AM

There actually was an announcement to read yesterday (though it was not ingame). You might think of the rank of Popcorn, as he is a Voluntary Moderator and has limited rights and knowledge before you make him the scapegoat for decisions he might not even knew about / were not in his influence to make :p_smile:

 

I am sorry for your friend. But lack of knowledge does not protect you from getting punished for illegal actions. And multi-clienting outside of Port of Winds Farm was already prohibited before as it would be a big advantage if you just could farm Kryos with multiple chars of your own than with only one character. If it actually was legal (what has never been the case), people with only 1 computer at home would be at disadvantage because they might not have enough money for a 2nd or 3rd one (and could because of that only farm with 1 character at the same time).
 

Actually no, double client was not "illegal". It was even apporved of in any form back when it was originally a problem. Also the idea of multiclienting was approved by WarpPortal, It was recognized that it wasn't too bad of an exploit and let slide this applied to afking in pow farm as well. It was determed that multi clienting programs did not violate terms of service. At least it was a while back, idk why its become such a big fuss now


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