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#76 3452140212150117003

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Posted 17 September 2015 - 11:39 PM

^dude. Thor. Please.


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 06:11 PM

xnatsumark =======>>>> general antonio luna is that you?


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 10:51 PM

^dude. Thor. Please.

 

Forgive my fellow Thorian. Not every ppl in Thor had that experience. He must be one of the elites back in pRO (pleb here)


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Posted 20 September 2015 - 10:15 PM

hahaha, anyways, i sold it when i found out it won't work...

 

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oooh i forgot, i'm from pRO... hahaha back then in pRO...

 

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 08:52 AM

Someone here had ever the chance to try a MVP Sniper Card in Frenzy? Does it work? I know that a Dracula Card do work... same script then Sniper Card just for SP or am I wrong? So it should work, right?


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 09:26 AM

Hp leech effects such as hubter fly and rwh are disabled, sniper cecil should be too

Edited by Ashuckel, 21 September 2015 - 09:26 AM.

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 09:33 AM

So only Vapires Gift from a DG is the only "viable"  *cough cough..* HP draining/regaining option for frenzy... (Dont talk about Sky Deleter please)


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 01:58 PM

Idk if it still works, long time ago i used to use a GT Revit slave on a frenzied rk, the natural hp regen boosted by revit still worked, idk how it is now
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Posted 21 September 2015 - 04:21 PM

Death Guidance works...

 

guys, what about kaahi ?

NVM, kaahi won't work on 0 SP ^_^,

 

but what if i got SP from earth deleter card, from killing this and that. will kaahi works?

 


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Posted 25 September 2015 - 02:27 PM

is there a significant difference between +12 aunoe VF and +12 abysmal knight VF?

because i have a +12 aunoe VF and i dont know if i should change it to abysmal knight VF?

anybody here who experienced using both types of sword?


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Posted 25 September 2015 - 03:13 PM

afaik , unless you are dealing with MVPs , aunoe should be better assuming you have the same enchant for both VFs , though.


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Posted 25 September 2015 - 03:30 PM

For boss targets, abysmal knight yes is much better than aunoe, assuming you use temp luk and fatal petal faw
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Posted 25 September 2015 - 11:29 PM

For boss targets, abysmal knight yes is much better than aunoe, assuming you use temp luk and fatal petal faw

 

does much better means around 10k damage difference?


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Posted 26 September 2015 - 04:18 AM

considering Rk can crit up to 100k in frenzy, i want to say something like 10k~20k difference? :3


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Posted 26 September 2015 - 05:52 AM

10k with giant growth and frenzy, non frenzy/giany growth , never
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Posted 26 September 2015 - 05:25 PM

another question, i know ak card increases weapon atk, but in the wiki it also says it increases equipment atk.

 

so how does it exactly work?

ak card increases weapon attack then weapon attack gets added to equipment attack then ak card increases equipment attack again?


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Posted 26 September 2015 - 07:17 PM

cards and equipments that offer a bonus % against certain race will influence on your total atk stat, not your actual damage( ranged damage% and specific skill % are the only exception).

So, you hit 10k, with AK 25% bonus you will hit 12,5k right? Absolutely wrong!

these 25% will influence on your total atk obtained via weapon, gears, buff, etc.

lets say a +12 Violet Fear 2x AK FS4/4, with a 100 str rk:

with the +12 refinement it has an average atk of 423, and then with the str bonus (50%) it turns into 634. Now then you add your equipment atk, wich with fs4/4 is 15+15, 30. Total of 664 atk now. in this part you add the % gears/cards. So, 2x AK is 50%, 664*1,5= 996. Thats now your actual atk that will be used in the calculation of damage of auto attack/skills against boss monsters.

* ofc you have way more atk than this, this is just a rough calculation to show how the card works.


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Posted 26 September 2015 - 09:03 PM

just my assumption so cmiiw,

an overupgraded weapon got 2 slots with 600 watk. the RK is running 100 str with buffs/gears/etc. total eatk from gears are 300. that'll make regular damage hits for 1200, no? while the crit hits as much as 1680 (without mods). so let's default some +20% crit mods (which makes the crit hits for 2016).

in case i put 2x aunoe there, crit damage will rise to 2688.

in case i put 2x AK there, w+eatk will rise to 1350, so regular hits are 1550 damage. it crits for 2604 damage.

i can relate if it's for crush strike but then again shouldnt a pure crush strike build and pure crit build differ a lot, gear-wise? i'm still worried if i'm missing some RK formula. i've been doing IB a lot i have no idea about ctrl-clicking or rune stuffs etc.
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Posted 26 September 2015 - 10:54 PM

isnt pure crush strike and pure crit is basically the same thing? you will want your crush strike to crit, hence, the crit gear. As Ashuckel already mentioned before, Ak>Aunoe only if you already have high crit mod.


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Posted 27 September 2015 - 01:12 AM

wait what crush strike can crit?

lol i feel so stupid now. just gotta figure out the atk and crit mod threshold now then. previous assumption i made was 20% crit mod so somehow aunoe won by ~80 damage. i tried calculating again with 50% crit mod but less w/eatk and found out AK won by ~300 damage.
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Posted 27 September 2015 - 01:22 AM

Yeah, crush strike Crits that is how u make those 2 Mil dmg hits when Tusiris Rune procs + crush strike crit.


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Posted 27 September 2015 - 01:33 AM

I think you made the mistake I do years ago trusting the Calculator ^^
I tought too, CS cant Crit till i tried it myself with full CRIT stuff and it worked out. 
I was like... hmmm...  if Exceed Break is a Buffed 1 Time only Phys.Melee attack and can CRIT/Double Attack... why shouldnt CS can do the same?? Works! ;)


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Posted 27 September 2015 - 01:37 AM

 

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Posted 27 September 2015 - 02:11 AM

hi guys. is my calculation correct? got the formula from irowiki.

 

+12 AK VF:

atk from stats = 43 (base level) + 160 (str) + 20 (dex) + 40 (luk) x 2 = 483

 

watk = 423 (+12 vf) + 338 (str bonus) + 55 (variance) = 816

eatk = 10 (dark ping) + 40 (fs from vf) + 20 (fs from temp boots) + 40 (2 pcs g.scaraba) = 110

 

% atk = 14% (rwc rings) + 1% (costume devoted eyes) + 50% (AK cards) of 926 (watk + eatk) = 1527 + 483 (atk from stats) = 2010

 

crit dmg = 2010 x 1.4 = 2814 

 

 

+12 Aunoe VF:

atk from stats = 43 (base level) + 160 (str) + 20 (dex) + 40 (luk) x 2 = 483

 

watk = 423 (+12 vf) + 338 (str bonus) + 55 (variance) = 816

eatk = 10 (dark ping) + 40 (fs from vf) + 20 (fs from temp boots) + 40 (2 pcs g.scaraba) = 110

 

% atk = 14% (rwc rings) + 1% (costume devoted eyes) of 926 (watk + eatk)  of 926 = 1064 + 483 (atk from stats) = 1547

 

crit dmg = 1547 x 1.4 (crit modifier) = 2165 x 1.4 (aunoe) = 3031

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so is aunoe a little better? or wrong calculation?


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Posted 27 September 2015 - 02:46 AM

It is like Ashuckel already stated.
If you go all out on CRIT damage from other Parts like 30% From Luk Boots + Petal Carded Fatal FAW (3/3/4=26%) you already have 56% Higher Crit Damage. Now get a CRIT% Headgear like Litte Father Hat for 66% more CRIT% Damage. (maybe even getting 2 LUK Gloves for additional 2%) 
With such an high number, you would be better of using AK Cards for 50% on Boss monster and good ATK% Gears like Bako Tats mixing it all up for better Damage. Aunoe is still great for general use. If I would have a +12 VF and would need an All purpose great CRIT Sword, I would go For the Aunoe even for bosses then so i would not need to get another one on such an high Upgrade.


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