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#1 xkazehanax

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 07:22 PM

Hello ladies and gentleman of WarpPortal,

 

As I have left the game for 1.5 year and just recently got back to the game, I have missed out quite alot of what are the recent changes and updates to Rogue. I would also like to hear out what's everyone thought on Rogue in the current metagame.

 

Rarely I see anyone plays a rogue nowadays, even if there is any, they do have another account to play on as well.

 

From what I see in current metagame, perhaps I can relate why:

1. Rogue deals single target burst damage, then Smoke Bomb. Assassin can do the same, but to 10 targets. And then just Shadow Armor and walk away with the speed hack.

2. Knight can do the same, with additional range attack to it. But the squishyness and escape mechanism is replaced with tankiness and survivability in war. Furthermore, Shield Boomerang bounces nowadays reveal hiding classes.

3. AGI which is supposed to be special stat to Rogue's dodge rate has been nerfed, and furthermore current equips do not provide AGI stats. In addition, current tier gears do not provide much AGI stats.

4. You just can't farm sh*t.

 

On a different note, Rogue was never a popular class to begin with anyway.

 

Okay, I would like to start a brainstorming session here on how to improve the gameplay with Rogue. Anyone with ideas or thoughts, or if you have any queries regarding the class, feel free to voice out here. Feel free in sharing your character builds as well.  :heh:


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Posted 08 September 2015 - 02:12 AM

well rogue is quite scarry in pvp since the moonlightdancing out of hide +mod can one hit KO in 1 on 1 situation, but the gangster paradise is lame since they requires combo and the heal is worse than reno or sm cure. and rogue's aoe also weak btw.


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Posted 08 September 2015 - 04:11 AM

From what I know if you want to pvp go full agi with rogue to stack up dodge. A full vigor and cls attack rune rogue can be very deadly.


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Posted 08 September 2015 - 04:23 AM

I'm going full str lel


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Posted 08 September 2015 - 09:14 AM

well rogue is quite scarry in pvp since the moonlightdancing out of hide +mod can one hit KO in 1 on 1 situation, but the gangster paradise is lame since they requires combo and the heal is worse than reno or sm cure. and rogue's aoe also weak btw.

 

Hmm I don't think the AoE is that weak, of course its not the strongest AoE you can get because the class is more focused on single target. I still max my gangster paradise (currently) for farming lizards, one group is about 25-30sec and I can do it potless (except for the pots for Adrenaline stacking). Not as fast as priest or crecentia but its not that bad too.

 

As for PVP, i think everyone is scary now... Using MOD for PVP is only good in duel but not in war as it is not practical. Cast time is already a huge delay, and you need to show yourself to cast a skill now. We literally can't do anything much in a war. DPS Priest's RoG can one shot anyone. A crit from Warrior, Knight, Assassin and Monk and you're a goner too.


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Posted 08 September 2015 - 08:32 PM

From what I know if you want to pvp go full agi with rogue to stack up dodge. A full vigor and cls attack rune rogue can be very deadly.

 Hmm, people still play dodge rate nowadays? Mind to elaborate abit please? Approximately how much dodge rate you get from 7k dodge? Vigor for crescent moon?


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Posted 09 September 2015 - 04:15 AM

Dodge is a survival stat, rogue's defense is bad the only way to survive longer is by dodging the attacks. The formula for most stats is x% = x / ( 0.02 * x + 40 ) which means for 7k dodge you should get 38,88% dodge rate. I can not see my dodge rate for some reason on my character to confirm the formula, but it is the same for almost all stats.Vigor is good for all skills to reduce their cooldowns, I can think of smoke bomb and crecent moon but I don't main a rogue, can't go further into details on what vigor is important for the rogue class other than what I said.


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Posted 09 September 2015 - 04:18 AM

Formula for Vigor, Cast Speed, Haste is x(%) = x/(0.005*x+0.2*Level+10) for the info.


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Posted 09 September 2015 - 09:46 AM

Dodge is a survival stat, rogue's defense is bad the only way to survive longer is by dodging the attacks. The formula for most stats is x% = x / ( 0.02 * x + 40 ) which means for 7k dodge you should get 38,88% dodge rate. I can not see my dodge rate for some reason on my character to confirm the formula, but it is the same for almost all stats.Vigor is good for all skills to reduce their cooldowns, I can think of smoke bomb and crecent moon but I don't main a rogue, can't go further into details on what vigor is important for the rogue class other than what I said.

 

Wait, isn't dodge/hit rate slightly different from the normal calculation as you need to consider your target's hitrate vs your own dodge rate?


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Posted 09 September 2015 - 10:26 AM

Good question, I don't know. I can't even see my dodge rate on my character stats, I really can't help you on that.


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Posted 09 September 2015 - 02:30 PM

Good question, I don't know. I can't even see my dodge rate on my character stats, I really can't help you on that.

 

I guess the only explanation why there's no fixed % for hitrate and dodge rate is because they have their own way of calculation which need to take into consideration of both side?


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Posted 10 September 2015 - 02:32 AM

Yes indeed, that is probably it.


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Posted 11 September 2015 - 08:49 AM

I guess the only explanation why there's no fixed % for hitrate and dodge rate is because they have their own way of calculation which need to take into consideration of both side?

You got the point since AoV hit rate is no more fixed at 95%

(only purple equips could increase that value at that time)

after AoV hit was boud to AGI too so high AGI classes dodge all and hit all

only recently they bound hit with STR and INT rebalancing a bit things but there are still problems about it


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Posted 27 December 2015 - 11:59 PM

secret hideout..find ya...

 

idk what build need to go also because now my rogue is totally trash...hard crit,low dmg, low HP....moon dance always miss miss miss miss


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