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#26 WolfTri

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Posted 13 September 2015 - 05:23 PM

Thankfully it's not QoL. It counts as "editing player sprites" so it's bannable.

Ah, good to know :v


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Posted 13 September 2015 - 05:41 PM

 

- QoL Client Edits (No Hallucination, No 1:1, BM Fix, No Shake)
- QoL GRF Edits (Big Cards, Aura Colours)
- Hotkey Macros (AHK, etc.)
- Extended Zoom (Zoomhack)
- Cell highlighting / buff indicators / EXP per hour (RCX, SimpleROHook)

Please note that for AHK it should not be used to replicate a auto pot effect. The allowed list may change without warning and bans may occur if that program is no longer allowed and still in use other disclaimers may apply...

 

 

OMG campspit yr choking again...

I cant understand anything there....

But a extra zoom will be nice to put in the patch, so i can see when to wing.
 


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#28 WolfTri

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Posted 13 September 2015 - 05:52 PM

As far as I know, extra zoom only means you can see the map on the extra zoom cells, because this is how it is like when you use higher resolutions. You still can't see players/NPCs/Monsters at the edge of your screen. Just the map, I'd assume. And pretty sure that if it did show players/NPCs/Monsters, it would be illegal.


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Posted 13 September 2015 - 06:18 PM

There are some things that I think should be available through the game itself and not through 3rd party things - namely "zoomhack" and the ability to unlock map angles. It's really annoying that some places (lighthalzen inn for example) force your camera at a stupid angle. I don't really see a big deal about zooming out more, either. All you see is more of the map but you don't see what's actually there.


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Posted 13 September 2015 - 06:30 PM

Well, the entire point of a legal 3PP is that it adds something meaningful to the game, without taking away from the experience of other players/other negative effects. So technically all legal 3PPs should be provided through the client itself, it's something like the community's way of overcoming flaws that the GMs themselves are ignorant of/too busy to handle.


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Posted 13 September 2015 - 06:55 PM

Wtf
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Posted 13 September 2015 - 07:08 PM

Wtf

 

I was confused at first too. Here's a timeline of events!

  1. I ticketed in and provided a QoL hacked client for WP to investigate and get back to me on with legal/illegal status.
  2. They closed the ticket without responding.
  3. I ticketed in several times with proof of players using a hacked GRF and AP/NDL/other things. Probably 30+ times over a period of several months and on several support accounts.
  4. The attending GMs always said they'd investigate but the players in question were never sanctioned, and the tickets were always closed without anything to show for it. They were sometimes closed without any reply at all.
  5. After a while I got to questioning what's actually illegal, so I ticketed in with a list of every possible 3pp or hack/edit I could think of.
  6. The attending GM responded by saying EVERYTHING was illegal. Blanket ban.
  7. I then ticketed back asking why all those players were not being sanctioned, along with a link to Heim's posts on 3pp legality, and the RCX post.
  8. The attending GM then amended their previous response by saying that RCX was legal but everything else was illegal.
  9. I said the same thing about AHK.
  10. Amended again, but the attending GM stated AHK and other hotkey programs were still illegal.
  11. I decided to copy Camp into the ticket because the GM was contradicting him/herself every time they were given new precedents.
  12. After about 16 days of being ignored, Camp finally responded to my PM with the list in the OP + a statement about FPS programs also being legal.
  13. I advised Camp that those FPS programs actually have a NDL-like effect due to how RO works.
  14. Camp then amended his list by saying that FPS programs were illegal.
  15. I posted the list here!

Edited by AlmrOfAtlas, 13 September 2015 - 07:15 PM.

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Posted 13 September 2015 - 07:20 PM

So basically not only are the GMs incompetent, they don't even have clear rules set out for them to consistently enforce?

Jeez.
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Posted 13 September 2015 - 07:25 PM

So basically not only are the GMs incompetent, they don't even have clear rules set out for them to consistently enforce?

Jeez.


This has been crystal clear for me for a long time =/
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Posted 14 September 2015 - 12:48 AM

how could you ban alpaca and unicorns. this is a direct insult.
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Posted 14 September 2015 - 12:56 AM

how could you ban alpaca and unicorns. this is a direct insult.

 

dw there will always be unicorns. You just have to believe.

 

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 01:08 AM

still here.


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 01:11 AM

but i havent seen ralis for the past year
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Posted 14 September 2015 - 02:14 AM

Making cards super huge is legit? what have I been doing with my life, wasting time checking loot OAO


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 02:28 AM

making the card look bigger is certainly helpful. I have to pick crapton of junkz just to know what that card is


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 02:36 AM

What are red text in parentheses?


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#42 AlmrOfAtlas

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 02:53 AM

What are red text in parentheses?

 

They were 3pp names, being the programs that create those effects. The random red words are just censors.


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 03:44 AM

 

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The GM team will apparently not ban for those things.

 

Camp omitted the full list and only picked what was legal out to make his own, but the following things are banned by omission:

 

- Auto Potion (Meerkats)
- GRF edits to remove animations (Seals)
- GRF edits to remove / replace player sprites, textures and effects (Kittens, Puppies, etc.)
- Free movement onto occupied cells (Cookies)
- Maya Purple Vision to reveal hidden players (Rainbows)
- Level / Farm Botting (Sunshine)
- Vend Botting (Unicorns)
- Personal / Community Buffer & Warper Botting (Pixies)
- FPS Increasing Programs (Alpacas)
- Automatic Targeting (Marshmallows, Dark Chocolate)
- Packet Injectors / Editors / Sniffers (Ice Cream, Sprinkles)
 
Feel free to discuss.

 

 

Really I feel like the staff always word this badly, so I'm going to try my hand at it.

 

Quality of life improvements to the GRF that make things that would not give you an advantage easier to see are completely fine. (aura colours, cast circles, pointer colours)

Editing player or monster sprites (emps and barricades are monsters) are not ok.

Editing the GRF to display things you can't normally see is not ok

 

Editing the client so it doesn't display any hidden information (mp hack/woe damage - tho you need to be a special kind of special to want woe damage displayed anyway) is also ok. For those of you  concerned about zoom hack, don't be. The client will only send/recognize clicks within the 14 cell draw range of your character. You need other "bad things" running to actually abuse zoom hack. (1:1 popup fix, noshake, BM fix, no halluc are QoL fixes to classic client that mimic renewal client options)

 

Programs that replicate macro keyboard/mouse functions are ok so long as you are present at the computer and able to respond to a bot check. Leaving a macro running without being present counts as automated gameplay. Do not AFK from it.

 

 

Programs such as RCX/Autoimo that make things that would not give you an advantage easier to see, or are readouts of information you can already see or calculate  in a new format, are completely fine. (cell highlighting/bb lines/exp readouts/timers)

 

Anything that bypasses the client, reads client memory and responds to the readout or plays/reacts automatically for you or displays information you cannot normally see - packet editting/sniffing, autopot, bots, are obvious no nos.

 

Most of it is common sense really, people should be able to get their head around it. RCX and AHK are fine, but they can be used to do things you're not allowed to do.

 

 

On that note I would love a package of official different coloured cursors.


Edited by Xellie, 14 September 2015 - 03:48 AM.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 03:49 AM

gotta get that big card mod and no shake asap :ok:


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 03:52 AM

if the staff would/could approve it, I could create a bm fix/no halluc/no 1:1 chat (and noshake if desired) client for classic that I would be happy to share.


Edited by Xellie, 14 September 2015 - 04:57 AM.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:06 AM

wait, so custom auras are possible in classic without being banned?


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:13 AM

Just imagining how awesome it would be to have people in Creative Contraps designing and distributing custom auras, card icons and cursors to use~

 

Pls pls


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#48 MalianoSan

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:18 AM

BLASTOISEEEEEE.GRF


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:30 AM

now we re talking, community created aura's and clients :D


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:38 AM

Since it's legal, where can I get that big card mod? Does anyone have a safe download link?

 

Edit: "Google it" doesn't really apply. The only links I see are from years ago and have long since gone dead.


Edited by rylixav, 14 September 2015 - 04:53 AM.

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