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[DeadIntern]

I feel that OP has prioritized the wrong gears.

Btw, get temporal agi boots for higher aspd, or temp str boots for higher damage.

[kingarthur6687]

Between +9 HBP, Glorious Ring, 2HQ, Berserk pot, Clementia/Cantocandidus, and Asir rune I can hit 192 aspd easily, 193 if I bothered to get VIP buffs or some sort of cheap agi food. Temp Agi Boots is overkill in my opinion when Variants can provide you better survivability or Temp Str Boots for more damage.

Asir rune is a flat +4 aspd for 3 minutes, assuming level 10 Rune Mastery. A lot of people overlook the power of runes, especially considering most of them are relatively easy to make.

Edited by kingarthur6687, 04 November 2015 - 05:19 AM.

[480131019225050943]

Dude... when you are saying that RK is weak as physical class... hurts...(try axe mechanic and you will know what that means to be dependent on gear)

First of, spare your nerves and get dragon breath build till you hit 175 (job does not matter if you got like 35-40.. that should be plenty because you will only need IB and sonic wave maxed at first (+rune mastery is a given) rest dies not matter that much.

 

Now as far as gears. if you still wanna be insane, in a good way, IB does more damage with +4 RTE then with +4 violet fear... + it allows for shield... so. You get bunch of stone bucklers, plug those racial cards, endow for element and you can easily achieve 25k-30k IB, weapon swap with veteran sword for Bowling Bash follow up, then switch back.(not as hard of a task as it seems)

 

even +7 Black Ribbon will be a better headgear then EMH for RK. Also you can do this quest http://irowiki.org/w...k_Tactics_Event and get yourself a faux orc hero helm. it is free gear that allows you to autoproc wep perfection for damage increase... does wonders if fighting different size monsters then medium.

 

There is SO MUCH you can do to improve for as little of cost. (mora enchanted gear will help a lot, temp str boots with 120 str or temp luck with 120 luck..... I can continue)

 

But, seriously, if you want to level fast and then switch (higher level = easier to make money) switch to DB build... all you need is 120 dex, 100 vit and 80ish int... 4x Archer Skel Mace, temporal dex boots and ANY faceworm skin(slotted would be better, put a harpy card in it since it is a cheap downscaled rydric, or alion for more HP). Then you can get your FREE glorious suit for +20% hp. Then for headgear even +0 RWH for this will be good enough.

 

With just that you will open yourself to possibilities to run hazy forest solo at 145-150ish with no problems at all.

 

[Ashuckel]

Asir rune doesnt give flat 4 aspd, irowiki, ingame description and etc are wrong

[ZDozer2]

Dude... when you are saying that RK is weak as physical class... hurts...(try axe mechanic and you will know what that means to be dependent on gear)

First of, spare your nerves and get dragon breath build till you hit 175 (job does not matter if you got like 35-40.. that should be plenty because you will only need IB and sonic wave maxed at first (+rune mastery is a given) rest dies not matter that much.

 

Now as far as gears. if you still wanna be insane, in a good way, IB does more damage with +4 RTE then with +4 violet fear... + it allows for shield... so. You get bunch of stone bucklers, plug those racial cards, endow for element and you can easily achieve 25k-30k IB, weapon swap with veteran sword for Bowling Bash follow up, then switch back.(not as hard of a task as it seems)

 

even +7 Black Ribbon will be a better headgear then EMH for RK. Also you can do this quest http://irowiki.org/w...k_Tactics_Event and get yourself a faux orc hero helm. it is free gear that allows you to autoproc wep perfection for damage increase... does wonders if fighting different size monsters then medium.

 

There is SO MUCH you can do to improve for as little of cost. (mora enchanted gear will help a lot, temp str boots with 120 str or temp luck with 120 luck..... I can continue)

 

But, seriously, if you want to level fast and then switch (higher level = easier to make money) switch to DB build... all you need is 120 dex, 100 vit and 80ish int... 4x Archer Skel Mace, temporal dex boots and ANY faceworm skin(slotted would be better, put a harpy card in it since it is a cheap downscaled rydric, or alion for more HP). Then you can get your FREE glorious suit for +20% hp. Then for headgear even +0 RWH for this will be good enough.

 

With just that you will open yourself to possibilities to run hazy forest solo at 145-150ish with no problems at all.

 

> Still resisting to the DB idea, though I'm considering it. BlackCross said in his guide that DB is still the best way to level from 140 onwards. As for Job Level, I'm 129/34 as I said.

> I'm not a specialist at acronyms, so what weapon is RTE? Also, wouldn't a Rosa Shield be better? I dropped a lot of them from other TIs. That said, I would only need a card that could raise HP or SP to increase the base output damage for DB, or something that would help me increase physical damage, no? Arthur also recommended Veteran Sword for Bowling Bash damage, I took some interest on it.

> As for the Black Ribbon, it's still one of my goals, but I need to get Head Certs first. I got one at +4, as Arthur must remember.

> I got a complete Peuz Set to enchant, just needing to finish the Wandering Guardian quest if I'm to try and enchant it. Originally I'm not aiming for getting any stat over 120, though this may change if I reset into a DB build, as it seems that Dex 120 is a must.

> I've been through DB's damage formula, and the lack of strength and agility is actually a reason I'm most resistant to the build. As Arthur said, it's a "lizard-riding wizard", "un-knightly". Then again, there's the "best leveling class after 140" thing... I would hint at a Tae Goo with Expert Archer over four cards, but then again I would need EA12 for it to be more effective than a carded Lv.1 weapon. Also, I'm not an expert at quests, where do I get that free Glorious Suit?

 

> ...You said "Hazy Forest Solo"? Hmm... Now that piqued my interest.
 

 

What is your goal exactly here ? PVP/PVM/Woe?

An AGI/Crit RK requires a lot of Gear to be powerfull, which you are lacking a lot in. That HBP is useless untill at +7 at least, preferebly +9, a Black Ribbon would be a better choice for headgear. You can easily BB+IB if you get Nyd Garb and a +9 Rideword Hat. A +9 Isabella Red Ear might be an alternative also if you are focusing on attack speed.

FAW and Temp boots are your friends!

If you are to lazy to farm for good gear you should go ahead and do a DB build.

You should definitely check blackCROSS's Quick Physical Rune Knight Guide - IT IS EPIC !

Regards

 

 

PVM, actually. I got no interest in PVP and WoE; I have no taste for it.

I am quite certain my gear right now is seriously lacking. Not that I'm lazy to farm for the gear, but I'm quite unlucky. But I'm heavily considering the DB build, I'm just not sure if I will regret it or not.

[bonislav]

RTE = Red Twin Edge of Naght Sieger[3]

 

He proly suggested Stone buckler because it has 5% resistance to large mobs, or just because it is cheap. You can also use rosa shield - whatever suits you best. You can also go for Valkyrja Shields, but that would be more expensive.

 

DB might be a nice alternative /i still have not tried this build/ but you can also stay with your current build and try BB IB, but with NO INT invested at all you are going to need Nyd garb and a Rideword Hat to be able to spam BB/IB efficienly.

 

Tae Goo Lyeon is nice, but if it is not +9 i don't see the point in using it. The four carded  mace is the much easier and cheaper choice here.

 

If you decide to stay with your current build first thing to do is get your HBP to +9 ASAP, get that attackspeed costume and them physical/critical sets. Also get some temp boots Agi/Str/Luk, although since you don't have any Luk yet Luk temp boots might not be the best thing for you.

 

When you get 191+ aspeed it's gonna start being more fun!

 

Also i don't know if you guys/on iRO/ have that bison horn combo that gives +2 attack speed flat, if you have it you should definitely use it.

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by bonislav, 04 November 2015 - 01:39 PM.

[spikexp]

Asir rune doesnt give flat 4 aspd, irowiki, ingame description and etc are wrong

Why are you keeping the correct formula a secret then?

[Ashuckel]

Hmm, makes sense

[Ashuckel]

4 (1 - %ASPD)

Basically, every gear that gives aspd% reduces the effect of Asir rune.(celermine is counted as gear aspd as well)

Thx Sei for the formula

[bonislav]

To be precise Asir rune gives less than < 4, but it gives more than > 3 Attack speed.

 

Actually this is not very precise xD, but you get my drift.

Regards

Edited by bonislav, 04 November 2015 - 02:21 PM.

[Ashuckel]

It can give less than 1 aspd.

I didnt put it there cuz i tought it was basic, but when there's a number followed by a parenthesis, there's always a multiplication between them.

4 ( 1 - %ASPD)  = 4*( 1 - %ASPD)

Examples: 

If you have 10% aspd gears, Asir gives 3.6
If you have 50% aspd gears, Asir gives 2
If you have 80% aspd gears, Asir gives 0.8

[Kadelia]

I think I put that rune into my calc and it was working right. If you have data that shows otherwise I can edit what the calc is using.

Edited by Jaye, 04 November 2015 - 04:35 PM.

[spikexp]

Strange, previously I used a non-perfected FAW and celermine plus AD boots (not AGI) granting roughly 30% aspd and asir still gave me flat 4 additional aspd.

[Ashuckel]

I think I put that rune into my calc and it was working right. If you have data that shows otherwise I can edit what the calc is using.

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[kingarthur6687]

Now as far as gears. if you still wanna be insane, in a good way, IB does more damage with +4 RTE then with +4 violet fear... + it allows for shield... so. You get bunch of stone bucklers, plug those racial cards, endow for element and you can easily achieve 25k-30k IB, weapon swap with veteran sword for Bowling Bash follow up, then switch back.(not as hard of a task as it seems)

I do not recommend RTE as a primary weapon, IB carries your weapon element so when you end up fighting fire monsters you are going to end up screwed. Much better to use a Thanatos Great Sword, Violet Fear, or Veteran's Sword which do not carry an element and have far more base attack than the RTE does for more versatility, you can use converters or get a priest/sage friend to aspersio/endow you if you need an element.

Besides that, "endowing for element" with an RTE is completely stupid because RTE only boosts IB's damage due to the fact that IB receives a damage boost when it's used with a fire element weapon (RTE is a fire element weapon). If you were to endow water on your RTE to fight fire monsters you would lose RTE's interaction with IB and you would be better off using a Thanatos Great Sword, Violet Fear, or Veteran's Sword because of RTE's relatively low attack as I just previously stated.
 

> ...You said "Hazy Forest Solo"? Hmm... Now that piqued my interest.

Soloing Hazy Forest on a BB+IB RK is easy. Granted I took close to 2 hours soloing the thing, but I wasn't in any particular rush to clear it either.

[xnatsumark]

bruhhh RTE will gave you great advantage. but switching is the key.

use mentioned 2 HS above when you are facing fire property

[Necrohealiac]

* How much is a +7 HBP costing? I wonder if I could trade my +4 one with some extra Zeny into a +7 with someone.

just upgrade some random trash gear, feed it to mimic, and get yourself some safe to +7 armor certs. get your hbp to +7 that way.

when enriched comes in, upgrade it to +9.

it's REALLY not worth it to +9 it with hd ores.

exception is shadow armor because that requires hd ores if you want break protection at >+7. however, even then i don't bother unless the dbl shadow refine rate event is in.

[kingarthur6687]

I ran a test with Asir runes and some +aspd% gear I borrowed from a friend to complement what +aspd% stuff I had:

+5% (Glorious Ring)
+8% (+9 Heroic Backpack)
+2% (Bradium Brooch)
+19% (+9 Temp Agi Boots AD4/RM)

Total +34% aspd

Formula:
4 * (1 - aspd%)
4 * (1 - .34)
4 * .66

Estimated total +2.64 aspd

Level 10 Rune Mastery
+9 Thanatos Great Sword (with Sword Guardian card), wore this because why not.
Welfare Shadow Set

179 aspd before Asir
182 aspd after Asir

Approximately +3 aspd from Asir

So I stand corrected about +4 flat aspd. Asir is still a substantial bonus though, either way.

Screenshots:

Spoiler

Edited by kingarthur6687, 04 November 2015 - 05:31 PM.

[spikexp]

Add a celermine and see how it affects further.

[kingarthur6687]

+5% (Glorious Ring)
+8% (+9 Heroic Backpack)
+2% (Bradium Brooch)
+19% (+9 Temp Agi Boots AD4/RM)
+10% (Celermine)

Total +44% aspd (+34% without Celermine)

Formula:
4 * (1 - aspd%)
4 * (1 - .44)
4 * .56

Estimated Total +2.24 aspd.

Level 10 Rune Mastery
+9 Thanatos Great Sword (with Sword Guardian card), wore this because why not.
Welfare Shadow Set

179 aspd before Asir
181 aspd before Asir with Celermine
184 aspd after Asir

Approximately +3 aspd from Asir

Screenshots:

Spoiler

Pardon the timestamps, forgot to take a screenshot with just Celermine active so I took a screenshot after waiting Asir out (Asir lasts 3 minutes, Celermine lasts 5 minutes)

Edited by kingarthur6687, 04 November 2015 - 06:18 PM.

[480131019225050943]

RTE is fire element, hence IB will do 50% more dmg. AFAIK IB is forced neutral (even if it is not, when you endow it it still keeps the 50% cuz your wep is fire), I like RTE because you can wear a shield with it, that is it. and it is also near highest ATK weapon in one hand available. (card it with hunter fly for regen or sword guardian for BB damage if you do not feel like switching)

[kingarthur6687]

RTE is fire element, hence IB will do 50% more dmg. AFAIK IB is forced neutral (even if it is not, when you endow it it still keeps the 50% cuz your wep is fire)

You would be incorrect.
https://forums.warpp...d/#entry2118774

Ignition Break with RTE against fire element monsters would render the +(Skill_Level * 100%) damage boost (+500% at level 5 IB) completely moot due to the resistance or outright immunity.

Edited by kingarthur6687, 04 November 2015 - 06:34 PM.

[Kroumer]

Have you tried RTE with Element Endow?

 

I can get 193 aspd with 1HS plus Shield.

 

EDIT: with out 1HQ.

Edited by Kroumer, 04 November 2015 - 06:44 PM.

[kingarthur6687]

I do not have an RTE to test with and I'm not about to spend money on a weapon I don't need just for testing purposes.

RTE + element endow is completely pointless as I already mentioned though.

[480131019225050943]

it is forced neutral from WEAPON but you CAN endow

fire endow does NOT give you 50% only fire element on a weapon

 

try with vvs weapons