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#26 Hissis

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 07:53 AM

Dragon Tail and Howling mine ARE USELESS against well geared players.

 

 


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#27 Lucentos

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:15 AM

The Rebel needs a ensured OHKO enemy move or supported combo to be worthwile in the PvP. The Debuffer duty is so limited by next to none defensive measures. 

BTW the Debuffer duty can be improved by giving to Rebel Range increase Vellum weapons so you can use range as your shield. 

 

Let`s say:

Vellum Pistol

180 Atk and +7 190 ASPD proc trait to empbreaking duty. 

Vellum Shotgun

240 Atk and +6 is +4 cell range for Vanishing Buster and Shatter Storm and +9 is halve the CD for these skills.

Vellum Gattling

250 Atk and +6 is +3 cell range for Fire Rain and +9 grants Pneuma destruction capability to Fire Rain.

Vellum Grenade Launcher

350 Atk and +6 is +3 cell range for Dragon Tail and Howling Mine and +9 grants these skills the debuff ability "Increase all recieved damage by 40% for 6 seconds"..

Vellum Rifle

220 Atk and +6 is +3 cell range fo HoG and Antimaterial Blast and +9 is the 5 second "No Heal" Vellum Flail debuff at Mass Spiral victims.


Edited by Lucentos, 28 December 2015 - 08:32 AM.

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#28 RYUSEISHOUKEN

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 09:01 AM

over 200k Slug shots in PvP so far lol. Well Geared players (DEF oriented gearing) Tend to take  laughable dmg from Vanishing+Shatter... As for the Debuffing portion of these skills, I can't confirm the effectiveness of these actions. If someone would like to help me conduct some test with a good PvP gear set MSG me here to link up


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#29 Lucentos

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 10:48 AM

over 200k Slug shots in PvP so far lol. Well Geared players (DEF oriented gearing) Tend to take  laughable dmg from Vanishing+Shatter... As for the Debuffing portion of these skills, I can't confirm the effectiveness of these actions. If someone would like to help me conduct some test with a good PvP gear set MSG me here to link up

What amount of damage can you do with Antimaterial Blast vs same adversaries?

By the way these 200k damage will be the 120k damage in the WoE. 

And is this the damage with Lex Aetherna?

And this damage can be used to raze WoE:SE barricades and Guardstones by OHKO em. 


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 01:02 PM

No actually that's 220k without lex lol. Can we meet in-game?


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 02:40 PM

Dragon Tail and Howling mine ARE USELESS against well geared players.


true :3 the only way to fight them is getting shotgun skills of w/c is kinda hard due to very very long casttimes :c
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Posted 28 December 2015 - 02:45 PM

over 200k Slug shots in PvP so far lol. Well Geared players (DEF oriented gearing) Tend to take laughable dmg from Vanishing+Shatter... As for the Debuffing portion of these skills, I can't confirm the effectiveness of these actions. If someone would like to help me conduct some test with a good PvP gear set MSG me here to link up


i did 270k yesterday vs a 175 rg. managed to trigger frost via wouding shot(since im kinda lowlvl normal hits miss) while he was running slow due to defender. i won once and never again because when he came back he was packed w/ speed pots :3
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Posted 28 December 2015 - 04:35 PM

im in progress to swap my ea FAW to spell FAW, hopefully i can reduce var cast time for slug shot, since bee MvP card is too

expensive for me  :p_sad:

 

could be awesome if rebel can wear Temporal boots, at least make us can wear Temporal Dex  :pif:


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 05:08 PM

would be awesome to have temp dex on(spcifically for -0.5fix). would greatly help shotgun skills alot(damn 1sec fix) but hawkeye would be the beast(best)


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tot about it but cant afford to trade off ea since i main grenade and kinda satisfied w/ howling/dt cast time w/ just spell6dex+1 pen(currently uncarded would really love bee but to unrealistic for me)
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#35 Hissis

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 05:25 PM

I already said this but i'll repeat.

 

Cooldown,damage,hp,is not the real problem.

 

I'm ranger player,My rebel has more resist than my ranger but i can kill 20x more with my ranger... Why? AS/WARG are ''fast skills''.

 

I'll try to explain it better,In a woe scenario debuffing the enemy with VB/SS or Anti-Material is useful cause most of times the enemy is not aiming you,also,is more easy to survive inside a castle due to the reductions.

 

But,in a 1x1,even if u can handle the damage,what's the point if the enemy can just hide ur skills?

 

Slug Shot,most of times (90% i guess,even full geared players) can one shot people but as i said before,it's really really hard to make SS useful for PVP,u can try variable cast reduction gears but you gonna lose damage,doing it,u can say bye to ur OH(against well geared players)

 

The way to keep the OH is variable reduction by stats,but as i said,it's EXPENSIVE (in my case i need a Phreonni Card/ +3DEX RWC RING to finish my rebel)

 

Dragon Tail is useful for some sura's without resist,rangers and GX's using full damage gears (you can put WL/SORC here but is rare to see one on the pvp).

 

In the future will be easir to make this (i heard about a hat that reduces -50% fixed cast time,it's from phantasmagorica) and the Kimi Glove can have DEX enchants (Horror Toy Factory,hope we can use this).

 

Well,i tried to explain my points about pvping with rebel.

 

@Silvianna

 

Yeah,Temporal would be great,no need of Sacra/Hit Barrel and we could get 18~24 Points (9~12 DEX),making the IC more easy

 

 

 

 


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#36 Acrobaleno

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 07:34 PM

There's a way to play with Rebel in pvp,but,u will need :

 

Expensive Gears to get IC (DEX/INT gears)

 

• Phreonni or thanatos/ss card.

 

Fingers

 

•  a lot of food,bless scroll,hp increase,vit +20

 

• Specific Build 

 

atm i'm trying to get the gears, after this i will try to pvp 

 

Would be great if Gunslinger panic work as indeed but we're playing Ragnarok,everything is broken :D

 

Hi, so any news on your rebel? Wanna know if making rebel for pvp is worth it.
 


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#37 Hissis

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Posted 12 January 2016 - 12:06 PM

Hi, so any news on your rebel? Wanna know if making rebel for pvp is worth it.
 

 

 I'm trying to get +12 Death Fire >:

 

but answering ur ''question''

 

any class is worth if u want to have fun,don't expect to kill everyone with ur Rebel,but you can have fun pvping with it.


Edited by Hissis, 12 January 2016 - 12:15 PM.

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#38 Ashuckel

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Posted 12 January 2016 - 12:09 PM

but answering ur ''question''


Rinsis burro :v
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Posted 12 January 2016 - 12:15 PM

Rinsis burro :v

 

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Posted 12 January 2016 - 12:43 PM

woe rebell here

 

the only good skills for woe are the shotgun skill and hit barrel 

 

tested all the rebell skills in woe and they suck ass i dont know if they are bugged or they really sucks.


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Posted 12 January 2016 - 12:44 PM

they probably really suck due to massive range reductions in woe
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Posted 12 January 2016 - 12:58 PM

ranged skills only suffer the skill reduction in woe, 50%

the ranged reduction is specifically for autoattacks.

melee autoattacks suffer no penalty


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