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[flubsy]

you don't pvp enough good players to know how to AAS spam out of wyvern.

 

I don't think I need to spoon feed you how to play OL as clearly you don't.  I like to keep my combos to myself and not teach everyone all my different optimized tricks.  It creates diversity.

 

Superarmor vs superarmor = stalemate ._.

10 sec skill vs 5 sec or less skill, 5 sec skill wins.

 

If you are arguing with equal armor/atk, you will realize that resist > atk.  

Edited by flubsy, 16 April 2016 - 11:32 AM.

[falcoford]

Oh man falco.. where did i said that everyone abilities should be nerfed?

"Only coz headspin doesnt get nerfed (which we dont even know) its no argument to buff wyvern."Turpi

 

With that sort of argument, you are implying that every skill that is deemed too good should be nerfed instead of buffing similar moves. 

 

You are assuming things that you can't even know for sure. Will they nerf it? will they buff it? Who knows? How do you know? Do you know they are going to nerf headspin? if not why not buff Wyvern. 

 

Ex: Oh there is rocket punch, but then there is the claw fishing from Savage. We have to nerf rocket punch to have less % of stun because rocket punch is better than claw fishing. It must be too good. If you level 10 rocket punch its 95% stun rate. That is ridiculous!!!

 

Look at me, I'm too thickheaded to think anyone is better than me in pvp so we HAVE to nerf rocket punch because it is wayyyy too good. I can think of sooooo many scenarios where its soo good that make me superior to everyone else apparently.<<Turpi logic

 

 

Paladin has too many moves that are just better than OL so we gotta nerf paladin moveset. Everything is no argument to buff anything from your standpoint. We just have to keep nerfing because there is usually something better. Which doesn't help when vsing the god tier classes. 

[Turpi]

how do you beat an Earth master that just camps and smash the x button as overlord??

 

i think every class got some problems with Summy. But Stumble, Gust, Hammer, bears, storm -> wyvern might be a way

 

the problem wyvern is a non-moving skill

 

what do you mean? I can move while using wyvern. and you dont need skill to perfom it, lel.

 

You can't tell that there is a balance right now

 

well I think its more balanced now than after adding superarmor.

 

what is wyvern thought to be?

 

well idk, wyvern isnt a primary catching skill for me since it gets canceled too easy, thats why i use it in combos. Primary overlord catching skills are for me bears, stumble, sword dance, chains.

 

I don't think I need to spoon feed you how to play OL as clearly you don't.  I like to keep my combos to myself and not teach everyone all my different optimized tricks.  It creates diversity.

 

Dont get me wrong but its so funny to hear that from you xD

 

 

 

 

With that sort of argument, you are implying that every skill that is deemed too good should be nerfed instead of buffing similar moves. 

 

Headspin is too OP we dont need a simular skill as that.

 

 

 

Ex: Oh there is rocket punch, but then there is the claw fishing from Savage. We have to nerf rocket punch to have less % of stun because rocket punch is better than claw fishing. It must be too good. If you level 10 rocket punch its 95% stun rate. That is ridiculous!!!

 

you are cute when you are getting childish. Lemme guess you play Overlord and dont get many wins in PvP? :/

 

Look at me, I'm too thickheaded to think anyone is better than me in pvp so we HAVE to nerf rocket punch because it is wayyyy too good. I can think of sooooo many scenarios where its soo good that make me superior to everyone else apparently.<<Turpi logic

 

The animation of RP is pretty slow, you also can jump over it. Yes stun rate is great but only nibs will walk into it like in Sorcerers skills. Tbh i thought im better than the others, never said that others are better than me xD

 

 

Paladin has too many moves that are just better than OL so we gotta nerf paladin moveset. Everything is no argument to buff anything from your standpoint. We just have to keep nerfing because there is usually something better. Which doesn't help when vsing the god tier classes.

 

No, for real. Pala is rly op. I still see no reason for renerfing that class 1o1 wise.

Well falc.. i dont even get what you are trying to say.. so idk.. 

 

Thx for that thickheaded comment tho.

Edited by Turpi, 16 April 2016 - 11:56 AM.

[falcoford]

Turpi, stop talking like you are an immature brat. It doesn't help you that everyone gets to read what you are saying. 

 

the problem wyvern is a non-moving skill

 

"what do you mean? I can move while using wyvern. and you dont need skill to perfom it, lel." Turpi

You know what people mean by that. The hitbox doesn't move and when you "move" with the ability, it doesn't move with you and you are very vulnerable/slow. When lag happens, you can't even cancel the Wyvern and then they can combo you since you are a sitting duck for a couple seconds. 

 

You can't tell that there is a balance right now

 

"well I think its more balanced now than after adding superarmor."Turpi

OL's need some sort of buff. This would help a bit. The way you talk about the OL's make it seem like you think they are broken which many people other than you think otherwise, but according to you, you're the supreme Overlord.

 

The way you talk to people is very condescending and rude. 

 

 

Edited by falcoford, 16 April 2016 - 11:52 AM.

[flubsy]

how do you beat an Earth master that just camps and smash the x button as overlord??

 

i think every class got some problems with Summy. But Stumble, Gust, Hammer, bears, storm -> wyvern might be a way

 

the problem wyvern is a non-moving skill

 

what do you mean? I can move while using wyvern. and you dont need skill to perfom it, lel.

 

You can't tell that there is a balance right now

 

well I think its more balanced now than after adding superarmor.

 

what is wyvern thought to be?

 

well idk, wyvern isnt a primary catching skill for me since it gets canceled too easy, thats why i use it in combos. Primary overlord catching skills are for me bears, stumble, sword dance, chains.

 

I don't think I need to spoon feed you how to play OL as clearly you don't.  I like to keep my combos to myself and not teach everyone all my different optimized tricks.  It creates diversity.

 

Dont get me wrong but its so funny to hear that from you xD

 

I don't know what you're arguing about anymore besides just trolling at this point.  You can basically answer your own questions by reading all the posts from before.

[Turpi]

Turpi, stop talking like you are an immature brat. It doesn't help you that everyone gets to read what you are saying. 

 

Wow good that i was typing and not talking.

 

No reason to insult me. Chill bro, what happens if you rage in real-life? xD

[Vossel]

As my last words to you Turpi, Overlord is a good class if you can handle it against the other classes but you can't compare them to classes other than ninja or warlock because they are weak, not in term of combo, there are too many combos you can perform as Overlord but in term of DPS or the damage in general.

Also the two huge problems are that you can't cancel wyvern by yourself and that even if you cancel stumblebum while the animation is already performing the stun won't come due to the lag.

[falcoford]

Wow good that i was typing and not talking.

 

No reason to insult me. Chill bro, what happens if you rage in real-life? xD

Things like trolling in a forum for actual discussion isn't very helpful, but a hinderance and is indeed a nuisance. 

 

Type/say that to a deaf person, they'd get really upset since you are trying to be politically correct. 

 

Edited by falcoford, 16 April 2016 - 12:07 PM.

[Turpi]

As my last words to you Turpi, Overlord is a good class if you can handle it against the other classes but you can't compare them to classes other than ninja or warlock because they are weak, not in term of combo, there are too many combos you can perform as Overlord but in term of DPS or the damage in general.

Also the two huge problems are that you can't cancel wyvern by yourself and that even if you cancel stumblebum while the animation is already performing the stun won't come due to the lag.

Well Vossel, at least its possible to discuss with you.

 

From my experience OL is a great class for 1o1 and thats my opinion. No flub and no raging falc will change that.

 

I was able to fight 1 of the best overlords and was able to see how great this class is.

 

And i wouldnt call a Ninja weak Vossel, give me one and i'll win over OL, Pala, Sentinel, Destro and other classes if its no running and wait for ShotDown game. And even then Ninjas got their possibilities without sleep. Idk why ppl are putting them at the bottom of the tier list. But maybe you got no good Ninjas here and dont know their abilities.

 

To make Wyvern cancelable by pressing jump button would be a better choice than adding super armor. But i think for that strong skill you should hazard the consequences.

 

 

@falc Things like trolling in a forum for actual discussion isn't very helpful

 

But insulting another person is so much better xD

Edited by Turpi, 16 April 2016 - 12:14 PM.

[falcoford]

Well Vossel, at least its possible to discuss with you.

 

From my experience OL is a great class for 1o1 and thats my opinion. No flub and no raging falc will change that.

 

I was able to fight 1 of the best overlords and was able to see how great this class is.

 

And i wouldnt call a Ninja weak Vossel, give me one and i'll win over OL, Pala, Sentinel, Destro and other classes if its no running and wait for ShotDown game. And even then Ninjas got their possibilities without sleep. Idk why ppl are putting them at the bottom of the tier list. But maybe you got no good Ninjas here and dont know their abilities.

 

To make Wyvern cancelable by pressing jump button would be a better choice than adding super armor. But i think for that strong skill you should hazard the consequences.

 

 

@falc Things like trolling in a forum for actual discussion isn't very helpful

 

But insulting another person is so much better xD

You constantly are putting down people indirectly by saying what they say is null and void. 

You are saying that YOU with a ninja can beat OL, PALA, SENTINEL, DESTROYER, etc. Whereas apparently no one else can because you are so good apparently. From my standpoint, you are playing vs people who aren't very good. 

 

@falc Things like trolling in a forum for actual discussion isn't very helpful

 

But insulting another person is so much better xD

 

You have been insulting everyone this entire time. I had to say something because you were being very annoying and condescending. You keep talking about how amazing your pvp skills are and that your opinion is > than everyone elses. The way you type and say things is very childish. Whenever you say anything like above

 

"But insulting another person is so much better xD,From my experience OL is a great class for 1o1 and thats my opinion. No flub and no raging falc will change that.,Trust me, I played this class for like whole 60 matches.. XD ,what do you mean? I can move while using wyvern. and you dont need skill to perfom it, lel.,Dont get me wrong but its so funny to hear that from you xD,you are cute when you are getting childish. Lemme guess you play Overlord and dont get many wins in PvP? :/,Thx for that thickheaded comment tho."<<< all Turpi.

 

BTW, I don't have an OL. I just know they aren't as good. 

Edited by falcoford, 16 April 2016 - 12:24 PM.

[Turpi]

You are saying that YOU with a ninja can beat OL, PALA, SENTINEL, DESTROYER, etc. Whereas apparently no one else can because you are so good apparently. From my standpoint, you are playing vs people who aren't very good. 

 

Well would be sad if a ninja cant beat these classes, or? No Ninjas here can beat these classes at same gear level? xDD

 

Well falc, what class do you play?

 

You have been insulting everyone this entire time. I had to say something because you were being very annoying and condescending. You keep talking about how amazing your pvp skills are and that your opinion is > than everyone elses.

 

Oh you had to insult me to make things stop, k. Dat logic xD

 

And i didnt insult everyone here o-o

 

Well i think that im over average in pvp, ye. But i never said that my opinion counts more than ur opinions. I just showing you my point of view like you guys show me ur point of view.

 

Edited by Turpi, 16 April 2016 - 12:30 PM.

[flubsy]

but... your opinion isn't fact... and the fact is wyvern catch is not optimal in terms of damage.

 

._.

 

fact is, the cool down is very long

 

fact is, skill can overcome some difference, but overall overlord is still bottom tier

 

1 on 1, mono v mono, they cannot win vs savage, sent, destroyer, paladin based on pure skills alone.  Difference in cool downs and numbers of skills available is too high.

[Turpi]

Alone your statement that a class cant win against some others no matter what is just.. xD

 

Lets go. Call your best Destro, Sentinel, Pala and Savage and make a fair balanced 1o1 agains the OL called N33bsauce. I'll record the battles, publish them and link them in this forum.

 

Lets see if OL has no chance to beat them.

 

[flubsy]

Like I said, player difference in skills can make up for a bit but the reality is, look at the skill tree.  There is nothing you can do against a defensive player.  No skill from an OL will help you get in.  

 

You keep railing about N33bsauce, but has he played lv 60+?  Probably not.  And knowing who he is, he plays with "rules" and only deems a match fair if it's played by his "rules"  Reality doesn't work like that.  Reality is, wyvern is still a skill that has a long cool down where the dps is lower than almost all skills in this game.  Any archer can outrange an OL.  Paladin and Savage has enough super armor to power through all OL skills.  

 

Just cuz a player can outplay another player doesn't mean a class can outright beat another class.  

 

Your logic of, just cuz people lose, doesn't mean a class is better.  It just means the player is better.

 

If that was the case, OL alone would be god tier because of Magane and Me.

Edited by flubsy, 16 April 2016 - 01:02 PM.

[GogAcc]

Alone your statement that a class cant win against some others no matter what is just.. xD

 

Lets go. Call your best Destro, Sentinel, Pala and Savage and make a fair balanced 1o1 agains the OL called N33bsauce. I'll record the battles, publish them and link them in this forum.

 

Lets see if OL has no chance to beat them.

 

If destroyer plays safe, he will obviously win.

 

Same goes for sentinel

 

If paladin stuns first, or use cross cut / spear jab while the overlord is using wyvern : wins.

Besides, paladin can also use impervion and revenge.

 

Savage's superarmor : Ez

 

And none of these playstyle I mentionned need pro skills.
 

[Charizat]

 

flub and magane god tier status confirmed

Edited by Charizat, 16 April 2016 - 01:20 PM.

[falcoford]

Pretty much^

[Turpi]

Nice onesided if-scenarios numberman.

Ah nice you know N33b. Dw he played OL at higher levels. "Reality" is that every class can beat every class. If you think that OL got no chances against these other classes pls go and uninstall.

You mentioned that he plays with "rules". He also could play without them but it wouldnt be fun for both sides. If thats the way how you play/ pvp with ur mates its pretty clear that you didnt saw what potential that class got.

Everyone can run around waiting for Stumble and Wyvern CD. Not even hard to win 3k matches like this. Pretty much every class can play dirty like this and at the end a lucky catch decides the match.

Sad thing that you guys call urself a pvper tho xD

I can only suggest you to start from 0, without all that sockets and do like 60matches with low weaps against good pvp'er. But well you wont do it anyways xD

Go on hiding yourself behind gear, and rely on 2 catches but dont tell fairy tales about this class.

Every class is able to beat every class.

Any OL can beat any Sentinel as much any Sentinel can beat any OL.

At the end experience, the ability to analyse ur opponent and a small potion luck will decide the battle.

Thats it.

[flubsy]

considering I have every set from lv 30-60 with no sockets and a weapon collection ranging from lv 1-60 that I pvp with, I believe you have no idea what you're talking about.

[falcoford]

N33b doesn't play fair though. You can't say it's an equal match when he has best unity set and has insane attack speed and expect others to lower for him. If he takes out his attack speed equips, then it'd be a more fair fight.

For example, someone stacking hp vs him, he does same amount % that I would do to him. But instead of stacking hp, he stacks attack speed and movement speed. If it was fair, my hp build would have a better correlation, but it doesn't. Instead, he does the same amount to me % wise but on top of that has insane attack speed and movementspeed. All I would need is un soul crafted best unity set and ms accessories and he would have to lower his weapon. At that point, it comes down to naked pvp, which I know he wouldn't do as well because he abuses the attack speed for chain combo stun. That's my experience and yea I have beaten him in some matches, but it was in no way fair for me.

Edited by falcoford, 16 April 2016 - 03:25 PM.

[flubsy]

You're arguing really hard for a class that you don't play, and many others don't play because they are underpowered.

You're trying to argue that giving a 10 second cooldown skill with superarmor and a hitbox that doesn't work correctly will bring an OL to God Tier status.

Just think about what you're saying.

[Turpi]

About who are you talking falc? Oh nice u edited ur post.. Well he does play fair gp wise. Idk what problems you 2 had by using equal gear.

@flub thats great! Now you only need to pvp the right people and then youll know what im talking about c:

And cmon, im playing this class.

Edited by Turpi, 16 April 2016 - 03:32 PM.