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#51 ClickClickClick

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 01:54 PM

 

Well, I'm pretty surprised that your own arguments didn't make you change your opinion. You've actually compared threatening to kill someone's daughter to being competitive in a goddamn videogame... Don't you see anything wrong with this comparison alone? Well, let me comment then.

 

 

Wrong. Coercion is the use of or threat to make use of violence to make people do what they don't want to, influence - by any means - is the use of arguments and/or incentives to change someone's opinion about acting in one way or another. You can say that someone has the freedom to not give your purse to the thief who is pointing a gun to their head, but no one in a normal state of mind would do so. We have self preservation mechanisms in our brains that prevent us from doing so, and can only be bypassed by an abnormal state of mind (e.g. a traumatic experience) or training (military, police, etc.).

 

 

No, we can't agree with that. You can use that argument to make comerce itself illegal. The means are of extreme importance, it's way different to ask for someone's money by offering a good or service, and ask someone for money "else I'll kill you". BTW the threat by itself has no power. If I say that I'll kill you, you'll just laugh, becase I don't know who you are, where you live, etc. But if I provide some kind of proof that I can harm you, this changes. How can WP harm people that cannot control themselves by offering a chance of getting "competitivity in a videogame"? These people with no self-control harm themselves.

 

 
Already refuted above. What you're trying to do is compare an abnormal state of mind (addiction, which is some kind of mental disease that can and have to be treated) to pontual excesses that can be commited (someone drinking too much one night, or eating too much, or wasting too much money on OCP boxes once or a few times non-recurrently) to VIOLENCE! I'll just quote Oda again. Jesus Christ, click, just no.

 

 

The word you're looking for is "equating" saying that one thing is equivalent to another, which at no point in time did I say.

 

Comparing something is the act of weighing one thing against another in order to assess it, which, in this sense of the word I did do. I can take 1 + 1 = 2, and 100 + 100 = 200, and say they are similar, I did not however say at any point in time that they were equal. Nor did I say at any point in time that Warp Portal's actions were illegal, simply immoral.

 

While one could argue as to the nature of commerce and coercion, I did not, at any point in time, imply that commerce in any way shape or form could be considered illegal. I simply stated that coercion is the act of threatening, implying, if not flat out stating that there are consequences, not benefits. Perhaps it's my fault, I thought that you were smart enough to comprehend what you were reading. However, I will once again state, coercion is the act of threatening consequences for your decisions, as was, again, stated in my last post, had you taken the time to comprehend what you were reading.

 

Coercion means that one faces consequences for one's action, or lack there of. The same formula is applied in all cases of coercion, we can all agree on that right?

 

We want MONEY, if you don't give into our demands you will no longer be competitive.

 

Fits into said formula perfectly, even more so when you add in the connotation "And you may never be able to get this again." or "And will be unable to progress."

 

Why did I compare one's child being slain to the pressure applied by Warp Portal? To dispute your claim of free will, as once again, addiction is a more powerful thing than you or I, as sane adults, can understand. In an addict's mind the game is more important than anything, likewise, in a father's mind the child is more important than anything, so while you may have the option to say no, that option to exercise free will, you will not do so. So I reiterate, coercion, regardless of it's legality or severity, is still coercion. "You do X or Y happens", a threat that you admitted exists, yet dismissed because "free will", is still a threat, and free will, the ability to say no, is an option that many addicts do not see, nor have.

 

Gambling too much, while un-equatable to murder, is still the most common of the problems created by MMO addiction. Don't believe that people can become addicted to MMOs? Don't believe that addicts will throw free will and common sense out the window for said MMO and do horrible things? Don't believe that it can cause serious harm to themselves and others? Here's some reading material for you.

 

http://www.ranker.co.../michael-gibson

 

http://www.sptimes.c...y_in_deat.shtml

 

http://www.ign.com/a...of-manslaughter

 

And here's a good one, what do I keep saying? Feed your kids?

http://www.thedailyb...starve-to-death

 

Oh and, let's not forget the boy who was tied up in an attic, and was tortured to death, literally having limbs and other chunks of flesh hacksawed off over a loan in an MMO that he didn't pay back. A loan more or less equivalent to $0.50 USD. I'd post a link, but the pictures are a bit too graphic to give a direct link on the WP forums.

 

Now, since I clearly need to connect the dots for you, ask yourself, if this -_- happens because of MMOs, what happens that's off the radar, that doesn't make the news? Are people gambling too much? Yes. Is it possible these people have an addiction, albeit mild? Yes. Are people wasting valuable resources that could go towards something more conducive to survival, even more so being able to thrive? Hell yes.


Edited by ClickClickClick, 17 August 2017 - 05:28 PM.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 02:18 PM

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 07:53 PM

Perhaps it's my fault, I thought that you were smart enough to comprehend what you were reading.

 

I would reply, but those who don't respect their peers deserve no respect from them. Your premises are wrong from the beggining, and now it's clear that you are the one who's not smart enough to comprehend the flaws, no matter how someone explain them to you. So, live in your rainbow farting unicorns world, where offering benefits to people in exchange from something from people a.k.a. "commerce" is something immoral just like pointing a gun at someone and threatening to take their life.


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Posted 17 August 2017 - 09:01 PM

I would reply, but those who don't respect their peers deserve no respect from them. Your premises are wrong from the beggining, and now it's clear that you are the one who's not smart enough to comprehend the flaws, no matter how someone explain them to you. So, live in your rainbow farting unicorns world, where offering benefits to people in exchange from something from people a.k.a. "commerce" is something immoral just like pointing a gun at someone and threatening to take their life.

 

This is some circular ass feminist logic right here.. Repeating yourself as if that somehow validates your nondescript view, refusing to acknowledge the point while twisting your opponent's words to suit your own needs, all the while skirting around the original subject as if we arn't going to notice it, and when all that fails you use the "I won't dignify that with a response!" stratagem. You know that only works if you don't engage initially, right? Throwing the game in the middle because you arn't winning is still forfeiting. You're not saving face by hiding it, you're only making yourself look worse.

 

Anyway, I've made my point, I'm done repeating myself.


Edited by ClickClickClick, 17 August 2017 - 09:26 PM.

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 11:40 AM

I just wanna say before the clean up that if I didn't gain anything besides the stomach pain from the excess laughing caused by the last bunch of replies from this calculator then...

 

#NORAGRATS.


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 03:00 PM

Ignorance and complacency, selective or not, if you can't see what's going on, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


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Posted 26 January 2018 - 08:20 AM

My apologises, it seems like my API has been down for quite a while since Ragial was moved to their new domain, it should be an easy fix that I will push as soon as I can (my laptop is broken whoops)
But sadly Fixie (the static IP address service I was using) ran out of quota due to the many failed requests, which I should have noticed earlier
This will probably mean the API will be down for couple more weeks until the month is over (12th of February I think, unless a month on Fixie ends at 31st) and a new quota is started

Thanks for your patience and continous use
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Posted 26 January 2018 - 03:18 PM

I think click is a lawyer!
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Posted 06 February 2018 - 11:13 AM

Everything should be back up and running (Sorry took so long, just got my laptop few hours ago)

 

By the way did Odin get any new kinds of upgrades besides the ones currently listed on the calculator? Is there anything in need of getting upgraded? How about Renewal and those Blacksmith blessing things? Or are they still a myth even after it by few years?


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 11:35 AM

How about Renewal and those Blacksmith blessing things? Or are they still a myth even after it by few years?

 

They are a thing now. They work like this:

 

1 BSB + 1 HD Elu = Safe to 8

2 BSB + 1 HD Elu = Safe to 9

4 BSB + 1 HD Elu = Safe to 10


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Posted 08 February 2018 - 08:50 AM

They are a thing now. They work like this:

 

1 BSB + 1 HD Elu = Safe to 8

2 BSB + 1 HD Elu = Safe to 9

4 BSB + 1 HD Elu = Safe to 10

Sounds pretty neat, thanks! Gonna update the calculator in a bit, should be super simple


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Posted 08 February 2018 - 03:09 PM

They are a thing now. They work like this:

 

1 BSB + 1 HD Elu = Safe to 8

2 BSB + 1 HD Elu = Safe to 9

4 BSB + 1 HD Elu = Safe to 10

Wait a minute, safe to 8 is basically a safe+7 but for +8? (It has a failure chance where you just lose the BSB and ore) or it's a guaranteed +8?

 

Edit: Ignore me, I forgot iROwiki existed for a reason! THANKS ALL IROWIKI RESTLESS EDITORS YOU'RE THE BEST

 

Edit2: feelsbadman when losing 29 items and a crap ton of normal ores + other stuff is cheaper than BSB (only in some situations obviously)

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 06:59 AM

Blacksmith Blessing added to both the API and the calculator
 
Calculator moved to new domain!
Everyone, please thank Mike with me for hosting us for over a year :lv:
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 09:34 PM

Thank you Mathspy! Thank you Mike!   :thx:


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