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[Campitor]

Hey Folks this thread will be used to track changes made and upcoming to battlefield reward structures.

 
3/28 Post:

3/28 - Basic Crafting/Recovery Supplies added to the battlefield.

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Update V3

 

Changes:

When selecting the npc user will be prompted what badge type he will be shopping with and the NPC will select any of the three badge types.

Each week we will open a thread for the feedback of what crafting supplies you would like to see for a particular third class along the following schedule, with implementation the week after.

3/28 - 4/4 - Rune Knight

Updated with the Rune Knight items for 4/4

4/4 - 4/11 - Sorcerer
4/11 - 4/18 - Guillotine Cross
4/18 - 4/25 - Geneticist
4/25 - 5/2 - Ranger


Please use this thread for feedback on existing implementations. Prices and amounts.

[Nirvanna21]

So can you purchase for zeny OR badges?

[Campitor]

So can you purchase for zeny OR badges?

its an AND statement.

[Nirvanna21]

its an AND statement.

 

Gonna be honest, I like zeny sinks, but you need more pots for it. Pots go fast in WoE, really fast, and you only get 30 WoE Whites in a single box. Assuming you won a match and it was double badges, 30 badges and 750,000 zeny would give you 3 boxes, or 90 WoE Whites.

 

90 WoE Whites in a general brawl will last all of 20 seconds if it was relatively laid back, and would be slurped up within 15 seconds tops if you were trying to survive a beat down.

[Ashuckel]

Strawberries are pretty unnecessary.(Not to mention the price point PLUS the badge requirement is a very much no no. It could even be your shot at hitting the botters with putting them essentially as an npc trade with an affordable price)

Too little WoE potions for that price/exchange ratio.

Converters and Proof potions would be nice to see there for when the market dries up on them, so there's always a sure way to obtain it.

Geneticist: Materials for +20 Agi/Int/Dex foods(specially agi)

Guillotine Cross: Either straight EDP boxes like investment system or much more affordable materials. Crafting them requires more than just Karvos, its a pain in the ass to do it in quantity and is very time consuming 1 by 1.

Sorcerer: Elemental Stones in the "brute" form? Rough Wind and the other element variants.

Rune Knight: Light Granules are often the most limiting material when it comes to rune crafting.

Ranger: Not needed.

Edited by Ashuckel, 28 March 2019 - 02:17 PM.

[lorenz1375]

Camp i dont think i can trust your weekly change per class unless you like automate it

[AceDT]

hey camp, how about wps token? i hope we could have this kind of update in wps token conversion into supplies.

[Campitor]

Camp i dont think i can trust your weekly change per class unless you like automate it

Its a single setting. Not a cycle. It won't be changed weekly. But updated once per week for a month, then we will be done.

 

OP is updated for the Potions.

[lorenz1375]

Its a single setting. Not a cycle. It won't be changed weekly. But updated once per week for a month, then we will be done.

Now thats more assuring goodluck

[Toxn]

The WoE potion boxes ideally should cost 1 badge, with a higher zeny cost if need be. Right now the sustainability of using those boxes to keep battlegrounds going isn't there, let alone farming more to use for PVP or WoE.  Edit: Potions got readjusted as I was typing :v A lot more reasonable now, though I would still suggest 1 badge requirement but that can always be resuggested down the line.

 

Items not on the list I would consider would be PVM transferable consumables like:

100 Royal Jelly Box

100 Condensed White Box

200 White Potion Box

100 Blue Herb Box

 

Which are all also found in the investment system.

Edited by Toxn, 28 March 2019 - 02:13 PM.

[Ashuckel]

to be honest the badge requirement can very well be more of a "symbolical value" as in to enable the exchange than the exchange material itself, and then adjust the zeny prices accordingly.

If you have to do multiple matches for a single meh reward, thats not enticing at all.

[Diskence]

Yggdrasil berry/seed please

 

[AceDT]

hey camp, how about wps token? i hope we could have this kind of update in wps token conversion into supplies.

or can we just exchange our 1 wps token for pcs of bg badges pls

[KriticalAssassin]

Well this is a sad list to look at, atleast the woe white potion box thing is okay.

 

[Boyeteers]

You might want to check ragial price before putting in zenys in prices like alcohol costs 65k a piece on the market but your pricing is 5pcs for 2 badge and 375000z which doesn’t seem right.

[Diskence]

I understand that sinking the amount of zeny on the server is something you are trying to do. But assuming you are trying to lessen the weight of guild leaders supplying the guild with this battleground reward change, it doesn't seem to make any sense to force people to pay with both medals AND zeny. This really isn't the place to be implementing a zeny sink. 

 

Not to mention assuming it is an actual BG match and not a win trade, going through a whole BG will already require you using pots (unless you plan on running around with 0 pots), the rewards and requirements just doesn't seem to make very much sense or worth doing unless you simply enjoy PVP. 

 

If I remember correctly winning a BG gives you 5 KVM badges and losing gives you 1. Requirement for each trade should be adjusted to 1 so you at least get something each time after you lose.

 

Things that you should consider adding:

 

HP and SP Increase Potions

Elemental Converters

Elementalproof Potions

Materials for brewing +20 foods or just +20 foods

Yggdrasil Berry and Seed

Poring Pretzel

Enrich Celermine Juice

Speed Potions

Glistening Coats

 

And then maybe add some items for PVM players to attract them to do BG as well. 

 

 

[MythicalFox]

Thumbs up for zeny sinks. I'm specially looking forward to the brewing items such as Immortal Heart and stuff.

However if we are supposed to use zeny and badges, it's pretty much unreasonable >_>

Edited by MythicalFox, 28 March 2019 - 03:47 PM.

[StunTosMati]

ygg seed n ygg berry...there needed alot since bio5 here

n RK stuff for create rune stone..

this day who will farm that stuff for sale?

[Toxn]

The prices for materials I think need a readjustment. Including a zeny requirement isn't all that unreasonable, it just needs to make sense. The zeny cost for WoE potions are reasonable enough at the moment, but some of the material ones are a bit weird.

 

Witch Starsand for example, the price kind of makes sense if you look at the vend market right now, but when you compare it to the price each witch starsand costs when using WPS tokens, it makes no sense to spend BG badges on WSS to make Slims.

 

Also yeah, KVM awards 5:1 for w:l, and double that during happy hours, which basically trades blows with the cost of supply on battlegrounds itself. But since the rewards can take any badge, Tierra gorge iirc gives 12 badges per win, doubling to 24 during happy hours, which isn't a bad amount for supplies and materials.

 

As I said in another thread, I feel like KVM's base badge rewards needs increasing, especially the amount gained per loss. It's painfully slow to even get the weapons from just doing KVM at the moment.

[Hakobune]

The only thing that doesn't seem worth it on the list is strawberries, the others a pretty nice especially the rough ores. At first I wondered why not just pure ores, but I remembered seal of mjolnir is a thing so that is a pretty good addition.

[Ashuckel]

taking market average for pricing things is alright, but the market price on many things now isnt exactly healthy. I understand not wanting to mess with the state of things, but some things don't need to be at that state, and would not be given there was more supply of it.

[3505170703074552307]

taking chaos "average" market pricing and applying it to thor as well :V

[Vladdin]

i dont get the rune knight thing at the end. what is it about?

[3505170703074552307]

i dont get the rune knight thing at the end. what is it about?

rune ingredients 

[Vladdin]

OH. so the 4/23 things are dates that it will be implemented?