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#51 ragnadood2003

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 10:21 AM

Almost half of your arguments are just disguised back-in-my-day rants, nothing more. 

 

Renewal is far from perfect but why would you want to have a game with zero updates with mechanics conceived decades ago? RO was never good as you make it out to be. Hence, nostalgia. 

 

More than half of your counter-points are non-arguments that are either flat out wrong or just ignorant of the game. I fail to see how criticizing legitimate issues with renewal is really just a "back-in-my-day rant", that's just a silly and dull-minded way of dismissing criticism because you can't argue against it. Please explain to me how nostalgia is blinding me to the superiority of not having a job exp display on the main UI, or how it's blinding me to the superiority of an economy where a Bone Helm costs 40k and a single piece of Elunium costs 50k. 

 

Also, your lack of reading comprehension is worrying. I never said anything about wanting to play a game with "zero updates". There is a definitely a way they could have improved classic -- but that is not renewal. Look, I get it, every discussion about old vs. new needs that one assumptory contrarian to tell you that you're being blinded by nostalgia, but you're doing a -_- job of explaining why. Saying things like "DUDE ITEM DROPS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BAD LOL", again, that's a meaningless non-argument that automatically tells me you have very little experience with the game, were probably in diapers when it released, and thus shouldn't be commenting on things you don't understand. The fact you'd even go as far as to say "RO was never as good as you make it out to be" says it all.

 

 

Serious question, do you also use windows xp and pentium 4 because windows 10 is bad and newer hardware made everything worse? 

 

Lmao, is this the best you can do? A strawman that assumes if I like something old I must not like anything new? I use Windows 10, just like I play renewal, and I'm extremely critical of both because they are both deeply flawed -- but hey, feel free to tell me about how great the windows 10 spyware, adware and legacy compatibility is. It's unfortunate that you seem to lack the ability to look at things from an objective perspective and can only have binary opinions that are skewed in favor of "new = good" like some kind of grunting cave man searching for a new favorite rock, but I'm afraid it doesn't do much for your argument and I can't respect the opinion of anyone so clearly new to the game. 


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#52 Ashuckel

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 05:15 PM

Still stuck between stages 1 and 2 huh


Again, pretty much every thing you point out as being "bad because renewal" is actually "bad because it's now a decade in the future without care or attention to fundamental issues+ monetization decisions". 

It's kinda obvious that a game will be much more inflated, with a lot more power creep in gears, classes, skills, etc if you look at it when it was 2 years old compared to 17 years old.


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 06:41 PM

Classic had it's time, it's dead and gone. Stop dwelling on the past and move on already.


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 09:15 PM

Still stuck between stages 1 and 2 huh


Again, pretty much every thing you point out as being "bad because renewal" is actually "bad because it's now a decade in the future without care or attention to fundamental issues+ monetization decisions". 

It's kinda obvious that a game will be much more inflated, with a lot more power creep in gears, classes, skills, etc if you look at it when it was 2 years old compared to 17 years old.


I don't think the majority of the points fall into those categories at all. Unless the net you are casting for a future without care or attention is incredibly broad.

 

But to your point, the game would have become over inflated with OP gear at some point regardless of the changes renewal brought. I mean Crown of Deceit was pre-renewal. Had a +9 bonus that was absolutely insane at the time. Many of the things you buy compensate for the bad mechanics of renewal. *survivor's set* / Magician's Gloves. Magic classes in renewal were pretty hosed for a long time due to bad mdef mechanics. Power creep will always exist so its hard to say how people would feel about "classic" after nearly two decades of progression. Probably not good either.
 

- a better experience/leveling system that allowed you to hunt where and how you wanted to - Level penalty is incredibly limiting in renewal.
- more balanced classes with a greater variety of relevant builds - 3rd classes can get every relevant skill. (the monetization argument could be made considering you take skills based on gear perks now)
- no 3rd classes making every subsequent class/older skill irrelevant - There isn't a 2nd class skill you'd use over a 3rd class skill. Except maybe Magic Strings and GK. 
- a better UI (for example, why did they need to remove job exp% display?) - Actually disagree, the renewal hotkeys are pretty nice. 
- renewal completely -_- up monster stats and item drops (a Coco is almost as powerful as an Orc warrior LOL) - Yup monster stats got completely jacked up. Pretty irrefutable.
- renewal messed up monster distribution or removed monsters entirely (no more high orcs in west orc village? no more thara frogs in byalan? wtf) - Somewhat biased based on the assumption that what spawns used to be = what they should be. But I always think of the map shaped like a willow with no willows on it.
- renewal destroyed any chance of a good PvP/WoE community due to the pay2win format and ridiculous necessity of grinding to 170/3rd class - 100% True regardless of the p2w aspect. The status infliction buff due to base level difference completely nuked anyone who wasn't maxed from participating on a level playing field. Also the fact that most 3rd class skill formulas scale with base level.
- renewal streamlined mechanics that hurt immersion and fun ("channels" for new players in pront/izlude, DBs being limited on many maps, etc.) - In terms of streamlining I definitely think the game has become less about growing with your "main" character and more about running many alts through a standard leveling pipeline. Not sure about the other stuff.

 

But yeah IMO the points above outline fundamental flaws that came with renewal. Not anything that would have been fixed in the future or much to do with revenue strategies. Unless future care would be undoing Renewal I think many points have some serious validity at least.

 

I don't think anyone would want classic back just to get stuck at Thor again. The progression on iRO's Classic server was finished years before it closed for good. But since the fundamental ask would be for classic + content progression, we know a classic version of the game will never exist (on officials) again because even their renewal servers don't get content updates. So getting "the studio" to revise renewal episodes for a classic server is wishful thinking. Its kind of just a conversation of, "Yeah classic was better than renewal in most ways, but what does it even matter anyway?"


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 10:08 PM

Still stuck between stages 1 and 2 huh


Again, pretty much every thing you point out as being "bad because renewal" is actually "bad because it's now a decade in the future without care or attention to fundamental issues+ monetization decisions".

You have literally no argument. 


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 10:53 PM

Ash has only few arguments. Most of the time he just wants to befriend with people here  :heh:


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:10 PM

I'm sorry. I know this is supposed to be a serious discussion and all, but some arguments are just so weak and funny that I can't help meme-ing them
 

... 3rd classes introduced skills that vastly overpower any 1st/2nd/trans class skills, rendering them pointless and significantly reducing the variety of builds a player can make and still remain relevant in PvE and PvP...

 

Me and the boys: iCR5DfB.png
not to mention Double Straffe builds, Meteor Assault builds, Bowling Bash builds, and Bash builds, and other new & creative builds that are now more easier to make thanks to the help from cash shop.
 

..They also stripped the game of variety: there was a time when you could make crazy builds like an int rogue that used fireblend and copied abilities to be an effective magic user. Try making funky builds like that now...

 
Autocast Shadowchasers (Literally the 3rd job equivalent of an int rogue, taking Meteor Storm from a magic class and taking it to the heights of spammability that the other class could only dream of. The funkiest build of all builds) :
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Can we clarify something?
"irrelevant" does not mean "I don't know how to find a use for this" "Just because I can't find a use for this, then no one can"

Edit: fix typo and reword stuff
 


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#58 ragnadood2003

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:27 PM

I'm sorry. I know this is supposed to be a serious discussion and all, but some arguments are just so weak and funny that I can't help meme-ing them

Are you talking about your own?

 

 

not to mention Double Straffe builds, Meteor Assault builds, Bowling Bash and Bash builds, and other new & creative builds that are now more easier to make thanks to the help from cash shop.

Whoa, you mean the game has more than one build? Pack it up guys, renewal definitely didn't destroy build variety because this dude says you can make a bowling bash build AND a bash build, lmao. 

 

"irrelevant" does not mean "I don't know how to find a use for this"

You're right, irrelevant means irrelevant.


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:29 PM

I'm sorry. I know this is supposed to be a serious discussion and all, but some arguments are just so weak and funny that I can't help meme-ing them
 

 

Me and the boys: iCR5DfB.png
not to mention Double Straffe builds, Meteor Assault builds, Bowling Bash and Bash builds, and other new & creative builds that are now more easier to make thanks to the help from cash shop.
 

 
Autocast Shadowchasers (Literally the 3rd job equivalent of an int rogue, taking Meteor Storm from a magic class and taking it to the heights of spammability that the other class couldn't even possibly dream of. The funkiest build of all builds) :
yx1FaZH.png\
 
Can we clarify something?
"irrelevant" does not mean "I don't know how to find a use for this"

 

this is one of the most cringe posts I've ever seen in my life.


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:43 PM

Are you talking about your own?

 

Whoa, you mean the game has more than one build? Pack it up guys, renewal definitely didn't destroy build variety because this dude says you can make a bowling bash build AND a bash build, lmao. 

You're right, irrelevant means irrelevant.

 

Man, do you even remember what your previous argument is??  :p_swt:


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#61 ragnadood2003

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:44 PM

Man, do you even remember what is your previous argument is??  :p_swt:

Yes. Do you remember how to read English?


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:53 PM

Classic is dead because there were no updates. It's -_-, no more arguments. 

 

Renewal is dying because game is moving at a fast pace and some people cant catch up and everything seems op, ultimately it killed WoE but at the same times, it offers more funky stupid dumb builds. The most meta build right now is Earth drive which is so funny that private servers arent this broken. The only thing to keep Renewal alive is merge. We've come to the point that now iRO has only 1 main server with 1 WoE server, Thor. Yes, Renewal is also -_-.

 

This thread is more like two sides throwing -_- at each others without realizing they're both -_-. Both sides just the same points again and again because they're both entitled to their opinions. Keep it up  :heh:  :heh:  :heh:


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:57 PM

Classic is dead because there were no updates. It's -_-, no more arguments. 

 

Renewal is dying because game is moving at a fast pace and some people cant catch up and everything seems op, ultimately it killed WoE but at the same times, it offers more funky stupid dumb builds. The most meta build right now is Earth drive which is so funny that private servers arent this broken. The only thing to keep Renewal alive is merge. We've come to the point that now iRO has only 1 main server with 1 WoE server, Thor. Yes, Renewal is also -_-.

 

This thread is more like two sides throwing -_- at each others without realizing they're both -_-. Both sides just the same points again and again because they're both entitled to their opinions. Keep it up  :heh:  :heh:  :heh:

 

and you seems to be 3rd side trying to be wise saying -_- about both sides   :heh:  :heh:

 

Just kidding  


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:02 AM

Classic is dead because there were no updates. It's -_-, no more arguments. 

 

Renewal is dying because game is moving at a fast pace and some people cant catch up and everything seems op, ultimately it killed WoE but at the same times, it offers more funky stupid dumb builds. The most meta build right now is Earth drive which is so funny that private servers arent this broken. The only thing to keep Renewal alive is merge. We've come to the point that now iRO has only 1 main server with 1 WoE server, Thor. Yes, Renewal is also -_-.

 

This thread is more like two sides throwing -_- at each others without realizing they're both -_-. Both sides just the same points again and again because they're both entitled to their opinions. Keep it up  :heh:  :heh:  :heh:

So classic is dead because there were no updates, renewal is dead because there were too many updates? Lmao, what a pseudointellectual you are. Classic died because the original game was updated to renewal, and the "classic" server from 2012 wasn't even really classic. You say no more arguments, how about get one of your own? The whole "middle of the road" act is tired as -_- and honestly makes you look like a vapid potato who doesn't know enough about either server to establish an informed opinion. Move along kiddo. 


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:23 AM

Are you talking about your own?

well, that's what a joke reply is supposed to be... so yeah that's what I wanted it to be ._.
 

Whoa, you mean the game has more than one build? Pack it up guys, renewal definitely didn't destroy build variety because this dude says you can make a bowling bash build AND a bash build, lmao.

 Allow me to fix some typos
 

You're right, irrelevant means irrelevant.

I'm saying, if other players can find a use for them, then why can't you?
 

this is one of the most cringe posts I've ever seen in my life.

one of the most cringe posts you've seen in your life so far
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:52 AM

Keep it civil folks.


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:57 AM

@other guy Don't be like that.

 

If you want to keep this thread going to bring out ideas that can help RO then you keep the discussion a discussion, don't turn it into a drunken bar fight.

 

Defend your arguments, attack other people's arguments, but don't attack people themselves. That's Internet Argument 101


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:59 AM

So classic is dead because there were no updates, renewal is dead because there were too many updates? Lmao, what a pseudointellectual you are. Classic died because the original game was updated to renewal, and the "classic" server from 2012 wasn't even really classic. You say no more arguments, how about get one of your own? The whole "middle of the road" act is tired as -_- and honestly makes you look like a vapid potato who doesn't know enough about either server to establish an informed opinion. Move along kiddo. 

 

Classic died because IT WAS EZ!!! Enough said! HAHAHAHAHA

 

I dont like Renewal much because people give up SOOOOOOOO easily but at lesat Classic scarified itself, so Renewal COULD LIVE ON! BEAT THAT! 


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 01:01 AM

and you seems to be 3rd side trying to be wise saying -_- about both sides   :heh:  :heh:

 

Just kidding  

 

That's why I am here to drop the truth that ... both Classic and Renewal are ... ez and -_- and ... lol ... both -_-. Thus I dont belong in either side! This thread is more like comparing which server is less -_-, so let me end it that Classic sucked. Renewal also sucks!!!


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 01:28 AM

And then there's thor who dont give a f but still lives on

Wer u woe people at? Come to us lmao
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 01:30 AM

I don't see how this can continue without dropping insults.

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