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#26 Ostarion

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Posted 21 December 2019 - 02:50 AM

Also, you may also want to consider what the daily login bonus is. There could be game breaking stuff in there too, by your definition.

 

Especially if modeled after Zero. (i.e. world mobility tickets and boxes of white potions)


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#27 RyderRag

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Posted 21 December 2019 - 05:24 AM

So subjective, can't find a clear line about what should and shouldn't come inside cash shop. You can verify that by this topic inputs, very different from each other.

 

All I can say is that botters love tradable cash shop items. So that they can not only milk the zeny economy but the cash as well.


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#28 jajajohn

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Posted 21 December 2019 - 05:42 AM

1. No hp/sp items (as we saw in Restart which killed the entire leveling experience)

2. No rental gear (overpowered rental gear released a few weeks into the classic server; making items inside the game obsolete and lose value)

3. No ridiculous lucky boxes (iro valk lucky boxes with GR card and orlean's glove?? how is this acceptable?) 

4. No "safe upgrade" consumables 

 

5. No res tokens (kills most mvp competition, people need to be punished for mistakes, reduces need for priests) 

6, No dungeon teleport scrolls (teleporting everywhere instantly is for a 10x rate pserver, not the official game)

7. No buff scrolls (literally skills from a class?)

8. No HE or 3x BM/Gum. The standard BM/Gum is enough and doesn't accelerate the lvling/drops too fast. 

 

 

100% agree

 

Items I believe are acceptable in the kafra shop:

VIP service (increased exp/drops, lower death penalty) 

Cosmetics (anything that doesn't do anything other than looks)

Regular BM's

Regular Gum

Enrich elu/ori

Gym pass

+10 stat food => Would rather see +5, 6, or 7 stat foods, or cooking becomes obsolete

stat/skill reset (requiring everyone to leech characters for woe is not the best gameplay experience)

(may be missing a few more)

 

 

I would rather see +5, 6, or 7 stat foods, or else cooking becomes obsolete.

=>If +10 foods can be purchasable, then please allow for some ingredients to be bought with zeny?

 

If the purpose of this server is just to make another renewal service+some new skill balance changes, please consider the above statements. There are already 2 pay to win servers.


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Posted 21 December 2019 - 06:02 AM

maybe when the fresh ro trans open yes. but when renewal comes back on February no. ppls already have those op chars.


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Posted 21 December 2019 - 06:19 AM

 

 

If the purpose of this server is just to make another renewal service+some new skill balance changes, please consider the above statements. There are already 2 pay to win servers.

 

 

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Posted 21 December 2019 - 08:58 AM

Can we try going back in time a bit and have a cash shop that is more healthy for a long-term server instead of short term? Also no items that retract from the game being a mmorpg (res tokens, buff scrolls, dungeon tele scrolls, etc.).

The server will make plenty of money off VIP, cosmetic's and basic cash shop items like BM's, gum, gym pass, etc. Keeping the server more authentic will only result in more people playing. 

 

For example:

1. No hp/sp items (as we saw in Restart which killed the entire leveling experience)

2. No rental gear (overpowered rental gear released a few weeks into the classic server; making items inside the game obsolete and lose value)

3. No ridiculous lucky boxes (iro valk lucky boxes with GR card and orlean's glove?? how is this acceptable?) 

4. No "safe upgrade" consumables 

 

5. No res tokens (kills most mvp competition, people need to be punished for mistakes, reduces need for priests) 

6, No dungeon teleport scrolls (teleporting everywhere instantly is for a 10x rate pserver, not the official game)

7. No buff scrolls (literally skills from a class?)

8. No HE or 3x BM/Gum. The standard BM/Gum is enough and doesn't accelerate the lvling/drops too fast. 

 

 

Items I believe are acceptable in the kafra shop:

VIP service (increased exp/drops, lower death penalty) 

Cosmetics (anything that doesn't do anything other than looks)

Regular BM's

Regular Gum

Enrich elu/ori

Gym pass

+10 stat food

stat/skill reset (requiring everyone to leech characters for woe is not the best gameplay experience)

(may be missing a few more)

 

I guarantee the server would be very popular with a cash shop like this + bot protection. 

100% agreed for a new server


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Posted 21 December 2019 - 08:16 PM

I agree with this post, it is only in both our best interests to have a kafra shop that works for the long term rather than for a cash grab. We as players want a server that will have long-term potential, giving us a place to be able to play for a while. Presumably, you as a company would like the server to result in a long-term revenue stream and not just a flash in the pan.

 

The state of the kafra shop is probably the most important aspect of this new server. What the kafra shop offers will make or break how long transcendence will be popular. Please do not screw it up.


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Posted 24 December 2019 - 07:18 PM

as one of the people that got a GR card from that valk lucky box, it was absolutely stupid and something similar should never happen again


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Posted 24 December 2019 - 07:48 PM

Imagine the situation where a regular player can make 10m each week grinding. You can control that, you know that 10m/week is the average income for players, may someone drop a MVP card, but it happens one time or another.

 

Now imagine that a player can buy as much cash as he wants, nobody can control how much money this person can make. Imagine that this guy starts to sell cash points, people says what they want and he buy it. With this method he can make 30m per week, so he has 3x more money income than normal players each week.

 

When someone can make much more money with methods that only a few people can use, it breaks the economy. With this income, he can just buy every BM selling and get the monopoly, overpricing the essencial items.

 

With more money than others, this guy can buy every card or end items before any other, so he'll have the advantage on MvP hunting too, like res tokens. Can equip his guild and get advantage on WoEs too, all with real money.

 

People buys cosmetic items for the social status, to be unique. People buy BM or Gums to acomplish some objective faster. Bots destroys the economy for the same reason, while human players has the 24h/day limit, multiple bots can do 120h/day grind. Selling cash has the same effect, you can have the money of 10 players farming 12h/day with one click.

 

If you don't have a barrier, is impossible to balance the market.

 

But wouldnt this also apply and happen if ... the few richest players happened to be F2P?

 

What would happen if F2P players make 10m/week while P2W players make 5m/week? Wouldnt the richest F2P starts playing monopoly and then destroy the economy as well? :3


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Posted 31 December 2019 - 07:17 AM

I don't know about complete scroll removal, but they do need to be restricted. Maybe once in a while, a world event where you can get 5 or 10, they're untradable and completely character bound, and kept rare

RNG boxes need to def go

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Posted 03 January 2020 - 10:44 AM

After what happened to classic, restart, Chaos, are you still expecting WP to not have P2W cash shop? I would argue that one of the selling point for iRO is its P2W Cash Shop. Look at how well OCP sold. A lot of iRO players are employed and willing to spend money to become overpowered.

 

If the server becomes vanilla, and everybody have to grind their teeth off to get anywhere. I am pretty sure the server will be dead in a few months, or the money will go to the gold seller on iRO Chaos Market facebook. Also what keep players in Chaos server is probably sunk cost at this point. They spent way too much to leave their stuffs for another server.


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Posted 03 January 2020 - 10:48 AM

After what happened to classic, restart, Chaos, are you still expecting WP to not have P2W cash shop? I would argue that one of the selling point for iRO is its P2W Cash Shop. Look at how well OCP sold. A lot of iRO players are employed and willing to spend money to become overpowered.

 

 

They can have different revenue models on different servers. 

 

There's already a p2w server option, so why not make this server a more traditional mmorpg experience? Then the players can pick which server they want to play and Warpportal wins with either option. 


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Posted 03 January 2020 - 03:32 PM

They can have different revenue models on different servers. 

 

There's already a p2w server option, so why not make this server a more traditional mmorpg experience? Then the players can pick which server they want to play and Warpportal wins with either option. 

 

It's breaking up the already small community and also revo / classic promised something similarly and look at what happened. Why would anyone spend another thousand bucks on a new server that might just get shutdown again. A lot of us already spent thousands on Chaos. 


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Posted 03 January 2020 - 04:05 PM

I imagine the large majority of RT players will not be from Chaos. I doubt this will split the community much at all.


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Posted 03 January 2020 - 04:45 PM

It's breaking up the already small community and also revo / classic promised something similarly and look at what happened. Why would anyone spend another thousand bucks on a new server that might just get shutdown again. A lot of us already spent thousands on Chaos. 

 

Exactly, so there doesn't need to be another p2w server.


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Posted 04 January 2020 - 03:43 AM

Exactly, so there doesn't need to be another p2w server.

 

Yeah also doesn't need another server in general. 


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Posted 04 January 2020 - 07:26 AM

That's irrelevant to the topic, because there is going to be another server. 


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Posted 04 January 2020 - 03:42 PM

The discussion is pretty pointless. This server is going to be f2p with a progressive P2W cash shop. You would have to be ignorant to think otherwise after what happened in the past decade. People play RO based on nostalgia, and these people are working adults who can afford to splash the cash with limited time. 

 

There are sizable population in RO, at least in Chaos, who spend $500+ a month on OCP / lucky boxes / upgrade Ore. I'm pretty sure WP doesn't care about F2P players who might drop $15 on VIP once in awhile. They are simply there to attract the whales. 

 

I personally would be happy with a P2W cash shop and be willing to drop $$$. I like being overpowered among the seas of F2P players. 


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Posted 04 January 2020 - 03:55 PM

I look at that as adults who can afford cash, but now have an adult brain too. Its not like when you were a kid and could put a lot of you parents' money inside a game that you played all day.

 

Now people can choose if their limited time to play is worth the money. But iRO don't have any stability (I lost all my character and stuffs on Classic, like a pServer), and iRO is not updated ( some pServers has already implemented Zero features that actually works ).

 

So iRO is a extremelly fragile server, people will give a try looking for a new fresh start on a official server, but as long it becomes boring due to bugs, cash shop or any other reason, people will leave and come back to pServers.

 

And after that you will have the same Chaos population splitted into Trancendence and Chaos.


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Posted 04 January 2020 - 04:01 PM

1. A real working adult or a self-made rich adult will NOT spend excessively in game. In fact they probably wont even spend at all because they wont have time to be playing game or farm things in game lol ...

2. iRO cares about F2P. In fact, iRO is only a F2P side. If iRO was really P2W, they would not even make any Cash items trad-able. They would also have MvP in Cash shop like other successfully P2W servers.

3. However, one way or another, iRO needs money, so it is F2P + Power creeps ... 


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Posted 04 January 2020 - 07:15 PM

The discussion is pretty pointless. This server is going to be f2p with a progressive P2W cash shop. You would have to be ignorant to think otherwise after what happened in the past decade. People play RO based on nostalgia, and these people are working adults who can afford to splash the cash with limited time. 

 

There are sizable population in RO, at least in Chaos, who spend $500+ a month on OCP / lucky boxes / upgrade Ore. I'm pretty sure WP doesn't care about F2P players who might drop $15 on VIP once in awhile. They are simply there to attract the whales. 

 

I personally would be happy with a P2W cash shop and be willing to drop $$$. I like being overpowered among the seas of F2P players. 

 

My point is the server will net them more $$ overall if the server lasts years instead of months.


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Posted 15 January 2020 - 04:20 PM

Enrich elu/ori is by far the most breaking the game. Unlike the VIP sold, which has a low value and a limited amount of sale (number of players on the server), it can be sold unlimited. It is very easy to pass an equipment to a friend to refine for you.

Ideally, as a Ragnarok player, you get more zeny per hour than a middle-class person gets money in an hour. This is considering turning money into zeny.


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Posted 15 January 2020 - 09:21 PM

Yeeaah some of the stuff traditionally in the cash shop is definitely off putting but the cash ores are definitely the biggest offender.

Putting aside that they're easy access to something that normally takes people a while to farm up a good amount which is what lends the standard ones most of its value in the first place, it's easy access to an upgrade material that's even BETTER than the in game equivalent.

Enriched/hd ores are the definition of pay to win.

 

There even used to be a failure chance to upgrade with the normal stuff on what used to be safe upgrade levels to HEAVILY encourage using the cash ores, maybe it's still a thing not sure.


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Posted 31 January 2020 - 01:22 AM

Please, make COOKING great again!

Or just make the Cook System avaliable :D... 

Already trying up a Dex Luk Char e had a lvl 9 cook book. 

Just need the cook vendor to burn some recipes :D


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