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[mildcontempt]

Plenty of physical classes (including Assassin for MA) have to use a phen-effect already. 

 

It's a good AOE now and it seemed like it wasn't splitting damage across monsters, meaning it's quite the powerful. And ofc you can dual wield meaning multiple cards can be used to really blast enemies. 

 

Plant bomb on mob, backslide a bit, boom. Or just tank if it you prefer that route. 

Edited by mildcontempt, 26 April 2020 - 10:10 AM.

[CadburyChocolate]

What does dancer bard offer inRT with this changes? Did it make them weak?

[bearl]

Suffragium

 

The skills say the SP consumption should be "8"

when i use the skill it consumes "68"

likely an undocumented change of the update

Edited by bearl, 27 April 2020 - 07:40 AM.

[TwilightsCall]

What does dancer bard offer inRT with this changes? Did it make them weak?

 

Bard gives the whole party a Kiel card and almost a Beelz card. Can also give a strong ASPD buff. Unchained Serenade is a cool AoE DPS if they keep it available on non-PVP maps, though I don't know if it scales up well enough to be useful for leveling. Song of Lutie gives a 20% healing effectiveness buff to the party....decent, but I'm not sure its competitive with other songs.

 

Dancer gives everybody 20% Max SP and an almost Pharaoh card. Can also give a huge Hit buff for dealing with those level 100+ monsters. Together with the new blessing, that's like everybody in party having +70 Dex for hit rate purposes. Can also give everyone a Soldier Skeleton + Aunoe card.

 

Ensembles give you a mini battle chant in Harmonic Lick. If Mental Sensing works again, then there's that too for +60% EXP to your whole party. Battle Rhythm gives two Andre cards to your whole party (and some probably negligible amount of defense). And having an ensemble means you also have a bard and a dancer buff in your party.

 

So for some setups, you can have like...+20% Aspd, +10 Crit, +20% Crit Damage, +40 Attack? Or -20% VCT, -30% ACD, +20% Max SP, -20% SP Consumption, +60% EXP gain? Not bad for two characters. I haven't personally tested ensembles out, so they might not be super viable until we get Longing for Freedom, but at least on paper the effects seem worth the effort.

 

All Bards/Dancers have a bit of actual DPS now with Melody Strike/Sling Arrow actually being somewhat comparable to real damage skills. I haven't tested it yet, but I've seen others hitting for like 5k per cast, which seems pretty solid.

 

 

All in all, I'd say that Songs and Dances are together quite a bit weaker than they used to be, but they are still strong effects that are worth having. The fact that the performers can add to the party DPS now as well makes them a bit more well-rounded as classes rather than the set it and forget it style they had before.

Edited by TwilightsCall, 27 April 2020 - 11:04 AM.

[Sigma1]

The same type of song doesn't stack. (bard song, dancer song, ensemble song)

New song buff will replaces the old song buff.

So players can have magic string buff, gypsy's kiss buff and mental sensing buff simultaneously.

But they can't have magic string buff and impressive riff buff simultaneously.

Edited by Sigma1, 28 April 2020 - 01:30 AM.

[bearl]

indeed. you have a window of 7sec to drop him before the reflect starts.

Edited by bearl, 29 April 2020 - 08:07 PM.

[Leonchascon]

Jack Frost & autos hurt, also the meteor storm spam is annoying but should be able to tank it fine with leviathan mufler + leib omai siegfried helm (maybe?) it heals a lot, probably you end up doing ~200m damage if you dont kill it quickly enough 

[Nirvanna21]

indeed. you have a window of 7sec to drop him before the reflect starts.

 

So my MA build, dual wielding with an Abyss as armor can drop it with time to spare then, neato.
 

Edited by Nirvanna21, 29 April 2020 - 08:25 PM.

[bearl]

So my MA build, dual wielding with an Abyss as armor can drop it with time to spare then, neato.
 

^yup. i was going with route 2

& i think that MA is a way better option as compare to CRS.

should not. prolong the battle unless

https://www.divine-p...e/monster/3150/

 

Edited by bearl, 29 April 2020 - 08:37 PM.

[ChakriGuard]

indeed. you have a window of 7sec to drop him before the reflect starts.

3 seconds ... 1 second to DC. 2 seconds to kill him lol

[bearl]

i didnt actually plan to check on the amount of time before reflect but i lagged. miss my dark claw     
thus :



the gif is 1:1 speed. you can start counting once you see him spawn
 

[Leonchascon]

i didnt actually plan to check on the amount of time before reflect but i lagged. miss my dark claw     
thus :



the gif is 1:1 speed. you can start counting once you see him spawn
 

 

If you backslide into the wall you wont have that problem, make sure to bring a HBP tho or you'll have to walk down to grab the loot

Edited by Leonchascon, 29 April 2020 - 09:04 PM.

[ChakriGuard]

i didnt actually plan to check on the amount of time before reflect but i lagged. miss my dark claw
thus :



the gif is 1:1 speed. you can start counting once you see him spawn

Should try with DC and let's know :c

[Leonchascon]

 

 

 

Did we ever get the "Critical Slash" fix on both gambler set and antonio coat on main servers?

Edited by Leonchascon, 30 April 2020 - 06:44 AM.

[bearl]

Nice. Interesting replay from rebels perspective.
In your opinion was the Levi really necessary since its sole purpose was to block jackfrost?

[Leonchascon]

Nice. Interesting replay from rebels perspective.
In your opinion was the Levi really necessary since its sole purpose was to block jackfrost?

 

The first time i tried without levi muffler i got oneshot it deals ~10-10.5k per hit so "yes", a marse carded garment and a coldproof pot should probably be enough, so you can go for a cheap alternative

[Ashuckel]

You get to not worry about being frozen as well if it completely misses.

[bearl]

the content is pretty challenging. encourage party gaming
i wonder how other classes deals with n.ogh

 

i know for sure sura dont stand a chance   

[ChakriGuard]

the content is pretty challenging. encourage party gaming
i wonder how other classes deals with n.ogh

i know for sure sura dont stand a chance

Sura in generally suck compared to other classes when it comes to PvM. It's not even a surprise ...lol

Edited by ChakriGuard, 30 April 2020 - 10:41 AM.

[Ashuckel]

using another 1~2 classes, a good geared sura can decimate it with tiger cannon.

[Nirvanna21]

Sura class is good in pvm for most encounters

[CadburyChocolate]

Bard gives the whole party a Kiel card and almost a Beelz card. Can also give a strong ASPD buff. Unchained Serenade is a cool AoE DPS if they keep it available on non-PVP maps, though I don't know if it scales up well enough to be useful for leveling. Song of Lutie gives a 20% healing effectiveness buff to the party....decent, but I'm not sure its competitive with other songs.

 

Dancer gives everybody 20% Max SP and an almost Pharaoh card. Can also give a huge Hit buff for dealing with those level 100+ monsters. Together with the new blessing, that's like everybody in party having +70 Dex for hit rate purposes. Can also give everyone a Soldier Skeleton + Aunoe card.

 

Ensembles give you a mini battle chant in Harmonic Lick. If Mental Sensing works again, then there's that too for +60% EXP to your whole party. Battle Rhythm gives two Andre cards to your whole party (and some probably negligible amount of defense). And having an ensemble means you also have a bard and a dancer buff in your party.

 

So for some setups, you can have like...+20% Aspd, +10 Crit, +20% Crit Damage, +40 Attack? Or -20% VCT, -30% ACD, +20% Max SP, -20% SP Consumption, +60% EXP gain? Not bad for two characters. I haven't personally tested ensembles out, so they might not be super viable until we get Longing for Freedom, but at least on paper the effects seem worth the effort.

 

All Bards/Dancers have a bit of actual DPS now with Melody Strike/Sling Arrow actually being somewhat comparable to real damage skills. I haven't tested it yet, but I've seen others hitting for like 5k per cast, which seems pretty solid.

 

 

All in all, I'd say that Songs and Dances are together quite a bit weaker than they used to be, but they are still strong effects that are worth having. The fact that the performers can add to the party DPS now as well makes them a bit more well-rounded as classes rather than the set it and forget it style they had before.

THat is some good details there though I really cant fully comprehend it yet. Imreally not familiar with the classes, how many song can ONE character play at a time? 2 or 3?

[Ashuckel]

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[CadburyChocolate]

So how are the combinations Twilight gave possible? +20% Aspd, +10 Crit, +20% Crit Damage, +40 Attack? Or -20% VCT, -30% ACD, +20% Max SP, -20% SP Consumption, +60% EXP gain? 

 

Basically those are 3 songs with 2 characters?