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[slayerherosk2222]

Hope this is helpful for someone...

 

anyways, further discovery:

 

ASPD 193 is super important for spamming DB. not like others' comment, using 187+ ASPD will be very laggy in chaining DB.

 

making ASPD 192+ would make the chaining much easier. 

 

And one observation, 101 AGI is a huge different from 100AGI. I don't know the mechanism behind it, but it is a noticeable difference. Side note, probably because I can make it to 193 ASPD with the extra 1 AGI. In the past, with 100AGI, i need speed juice to make it to 193, but I am not taking that all the time.   

 

Also, when I tried to decrease the VCT to be less than .2 sec, it doesn't work on my RK. No matter what, I cannot chain in the 2nd DB. 

 

- missing old days

 

 

[Argetlahm]

How about leaving fixed cast instead of the VCT? I'm looking at the viability of Rune Greave through the 50% FCT reduction instead of adjusting for VCT reduction though that leaves Fixed cast time at around 0.25 (still not ideal), meaning an FCT/minor casting stone at your costume garment would be a must if you're using rune greave in a build (plus a lot of stat adjustments due to Rune Greave's +30 to all stats if you've got both Dragon Breaths at max level, though it could free up your mid headgear slot for something else aside from diabolus wing).

[slayerherosk2222]

How about leaving fixed cast instead of the VCT? I'm looking at the viability of Rune Greave through the 50% FCT reduction instead of adjusting for VCT reduction though that leaves Fixed cast time at around 0.25 (still not ideal), meaning an FCT/minor casting stone at your costume garment would be a must if you're using rune greave in a build (plus a lot of stat adjustments due to Rune Greave's +30 to all stats if you've got both Dragon Breaths at max level, though it could free up your mid headgear slot for something else aside from diabolus wing).

 

Feel like a choice for Rune Greave's and keeping FCT, but due to the internet, I really don't know what number of time is good for the FCT. 

 

If that is a fixed number announced, it will be much better. with 30 stats, tons of points can be allocated other places.

 

However, I do believe, right now, stats really can help a minimum amount of damage with high levels we are having. I don't see any further point to put my stats now when getting 193 and 120VIT... cannot move INT and DEX, and other stats are useless for DB....

 

I am not even using Diabolus Wings mid...  

[Argetlahm]

With the addition of the God Eater Dragon Spear and YSF Ring, you can probably choose to remove VCT completely now, as 70% of the 0.5 FCT on DB and WDB is 0.15, leaving a hefty amount of cast time to probably DB Chain assuming you have enough ASPD and after cast delay reduction, making Rune Greave a really good option to attain insta-cast while having 20% ACD, however not having a slot negates you from completing the Rune Knight DB Card Accessory combo, and it'd be a waste to slot the GED spear with a Greater Papila Ruba Card, YSF rings should still be carded with either Broken Cleaner Cards, Kafra Blossom, Chimera Combo or Faceworm combo.

Edited by Argetlahm, 09 June 2023 - 01:16 AM.

[YongkySH]

With the addition of the God Eater Dragon Spear and YSF Ring, you can probably choose to remove VCT completely now, as 70% of the 0.5 FCT on DB and WDB is 0.15, leaving a hefty amount of cast time to probably DB Chain assuming you have enough ASPD and after cast delay reduction, making Rune Greave a really good option to attain insta-cast while having 20% ACD, however not having a slot negates you from completing the Rune Knight DB Card Accessory combo, and it'd be a waste to slot the GED spear with a Greater Papila Ruba Card, YSF rings should still be carded with either Broken Cleaner Cards, Kafra Blossom, Chimera Combo or Faceworm combo.

 

fafnir helm have hidden -0.2s fct

so its 0.3s fct x (100-70)%
 

[slayerherosk2222]

With the addition of the God Eater Dragon Spear and YSF Ring, you can probably choose to remove VCT completely now, as 70% of the 0.5 FCT on DB and WDB is 0.15, leaving a hefty amount of cast time to probably DB Chain assuming you have enough ASPD and after cast delay reduction, making Rune Greave a really good option to attain insta-cast while having 20% ACD, however not having a slot negates you from completing the Rune Knight DB Card Accessory combo, and it'd be a waste to slot the GED spear with a Greater Papila Ruba Card, YSF rings should still be carded with either Broken Cleaner Cards, Kafra Blossom, Chimera Combo or Faceworm combo.

 

I did tried Rune Grave, with Eater.. 

 

However, it can really hardly chain in multiple DB. It is laggy like hell..... do you have an idea what stats and FCT and Marco time should be used for this kind of gears?

 

at the moment, leaving VCT open is still much easier for me to make DB chaining although it is maximum 3-4 DB per sec and each casting is less damage, but the DPS is much higher than not chaining it. 

[slayerherosk2222]

I did tried Rune Grave, with Eater.. 

 

However, it can really hardly chain in multiple DB. It is laggy like hell..... do you have an idea what stats and FCT and Marco time should be used for this kind of gears?

 

at the moment, leaving VCT open is still much easier for me to make DB chaining although it is maximum 3-4 DB per sec and each casting is less damage, but the DPS is much higher than not chaining it. 

 

Keeping the VCT by not using Rune Grave, could still chain the DBs.

 

will need to have some ASPD potions and switch some SP leeching shadow to ASPD shadow..

 

damage is higher with taking more consumables. 

 

depending on your budgets, DB players can choose to use Eater or not. Eater basically save all your HP potions...

[Argetlahm]

After testing out the new stuff, keeping FCT is bad compared to reducing VCT to almost nil as FCT also contributes to some skill use delay, if you're gonna use the god eater spear, you'll need some consumables to make aspd get to at least 190, partner it with the feather shield and have a kiel card or go rune greaves (to get acd back up to at least/more than 91%) with an MCT garment to get 0.5 FCT reduction (0.2 hidden from fafnir helm) so that you can go for double YSF rings, though rune greaves doesn't have a slot for verporta. Otherwise, PDM with a faceworm dark card, one YSF ring, alongside awakened dragonic slayer and great hero boots gets the job done without having to use food buffs (just use bless and agi scrolls, optional: vip +7 stat buff which you won't need if you calculated your stats right).

Edited by Argetlahm, 04 July 2023 - 07:16 PM.

[slayerherosk2222]

After testing out the new stuff, keeping FCT is bad compared to reducing VCT to almost nil as FCT also contributes to some skill use delay, if you're gonna use the god eater spear, you'll need some consumables to make aspd get to at least 190, partner it with the feather shield and have a kiel card or go rune greaves (to get acd back up to at least/more than 91%) with an MCT garment to get 0.5 FCT reduction (0.2 hidden from fafnir helm) so that you can go for double YSF rings, though rune greaves doesn't have a slot for verporta. Otherwise, PDM with a faceworm dark card, one YSF ring, alongside awakened dragonic slayer and great hero boots gets the job done without having to use food buffs (just use bless and agi scrolls, optional: vip +7 stat buff which you won't need if you calculated your stats right).

 

If there is no Kiel card available, I think we will need at least faceworm dark card set, with great hero boots, and 2 pieces of reload shadow (excluding shield, at least i need the rune shield to pump up ASPD), to use 2x YSF and God Eater. 

 

That is tons of change in my gear set.... not want to do that yet.... and after that still need to reset the macro...

 

Did you have a chance to make it work with 2x YSF and GE yet? I mean chaining the DB with 2x YSF and GE.

[slayerherosk2222]

A quick update. 

 

Things are getting easier, when i found GES has delay reduction!! hahaha...

 

With the new lower sleep sheep gear, I think i can bypass reload pieces, and still have sufficient stats. 

 

i want to try out to see whether Great Hero boot or DEX temporal does a better damage or chaining. 

 

If not enough stats, i am chaining DB pretty slowly. 

[Argetlahm]

Chaining with 2x YSF and GED Spear - i could do with what i've said earlier: rune greaves, an MCT costume and various consumables. Damage-wise Awakened Dragonic Slayer is stronger over GED Spear due to the HP and SP increases that the dragonic slayer has, GED spear is more useful for leveling to avoid using potions and having a shield to reduce damage received, can be used for tanking and sustaining HP. I'd prefer the dragonic slayer + great hero boots with one ysf ring and a pdm setup so you won't have to use too many consumables to get your aspd to adequate levels, just buff with enchant blade (+3 or more aspd if you've got a +9 RK shield), two hand quicken, inc agi scroll and berserk pots, compared to the spear which you'd need to use celermine, other agi increases, and Asir rune which would turn your db water to ghost property (may miss or deal small amounts of damage on neutral and poison property).

[slayerherosk2222]

I only need Bersker to hit 193 ASPD.. with 2 YSF and GES. The stats are sufficient. 

 

I think for RK at this stage, it is pretty end game gear. Mad Bunny has +3 ASPD already so It is kinda easy to get to 193

[BLACKSAMA]

Edit 2:

 

I believe it is infinitely easier (at least from my perspective) to NOT use "Reduce minor casting" in the costume garment  to completely remove Fixed Casting Time, and leave the Fixed Casting Time alone with the hidden Fafnir helm reduction, then you can go all out on Dex/Int food and not have to worry about reaching instant cast stats with Dex/Int with buffs and food as the Fixed casting time will always prevent you from reaching instant cast.

 

I'm saying this because it is very easy to reach instant cast stats with food and buffs and having to worry about that with different gear configurations to lower your dex/int or purposely using Turisus + Fafnir Helm to lower your Int by 30 is just a massive hassle, imagine spamming DB then a random priest bless you and now you are at instant cast, now you have to unequip one of your gear or do Turisus, and then when bless expires you need to alter it back, is just a mess

 

With the Fixed casting time reduction of Fafnir helm, and God eater Spear, I am able to indefinitely spam DB but it is certainly tiresome so I use autohotkey to help me spam the keys. I am not sure if this is allowed but I would believe it is, spamming clicks and Fs keys is extremely tiresome otherwise.

 

Now if there is a gear that can help lower my Fixed Casting Time by a tiny fraction without reaching instant cast, that would be amazing but for now is more than enough.

Edited by BLACKSAMA, 25 January 2024 - 09:26 AM.