Nerfing Already Existing Cash Shop Items and The Problem - Ragnarok Online Community Chat - WarpPortal Community Forums

Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Nerfing Already Existing Cash Shop Items and The Problem


  • Please log in to reply
20 replies to this topic

#1 Darkxealot

Darkxealot

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 21 posts

Posted 12 January 2021 - 10:57 PM

Take a walk through Prontera, not very long look at most of the vendors they are selling cash shop items at extremely high prices.  So from what i can tell people are really upset about 1 item in particular, the enforcer shoes.  Seems like a lot of PvP crying to me.  There are numerous cash items in the game that have broken a class in some way.  If you are going to adjust one you should have to adjust them all.  Want an easy fix, make cash shop items unusable in WoE problem solved and easy to implement.

 

Nerfing items that have been sold in good faith to remain as they are, it is immoral in the highest possible sense of the word to modify something after it has been purchased, example you by a CD and enjoy all it has to offer but then the producer or artist of said CD says oh oops we are taking away half these songs, because their is simply too much value in these songs.  People that are pushing for nerfs of items are proposing exactly that. Its called power creep it is systemic in this game and almost all games.  Over a long enough period of time certain things will be over powered.  There are at least 100+ Items that need to be "nerfed" including cards that already exist in the game.  Would you also claim that the "God Items" should be nerfed as well, they are excessively broken but someone put time investment into acquiring them, do you cheapen the reward cause others are jealous NO.  Its the same in the case of cash shop items except the time investment comes in the form of a job and not hours in a game, offered as a luxury more convenient way to acquire gear.

 

I would love to hear an argument supporting nerfing that isn't egregiously immoral, without bias about oh i am but hurt cause such and such a class one shotted me.  Not interested, again an easy fix for this is to remove cash shop items entirely from WoE which wouldn't take much more than adding some text to the items and then placing restrictions as such on all of them.  Might take a bit to program but its the easiest fair fix.  If you think it will change much you are sorely mistaken, this is a game of haves and have nots, like life, you think its fair that one person is decked head to toe in MVP cards no, will they still decimate you were you stand, oh god yes.  Is it fair that we have billionaires who never need for anything, while others starve?.  Crying for nerfs always ends the same, if you nerf something that has been purchased in good faith to remain as is and then it is suddenly changed, then compensation is required as you have changed the deal.  Would you mind if you bought a gold bar from me one week and then i take 1/3 of it back because well the future outcome of things weren't as intended so, i am taking 1/3 of my gold bar back. Be honest you would lose your mind.

 

Food for thought.  Changing a deal after the fact is immoral period.  Either leave them all alone, or change them all.  If you leave any of those items next week it will be the hated item of the week and demands will be made for it to be nerfed cause now a different class goes unchallenged in PvP, nerfing for the sake of PvP is a slippery slope once it starts it will never stop how many items should people be compensated for, will they even be compensated for basically being ripped off?.  I don't know the answers to this, do you?.


Edited by Darkxealot, 12 January 2021 - 11:11 PM.

  • 1

#2 bearl

bearl

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 1581 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Warpportal Forum

Posted 13 January 2021 - 12:28 AM

nerf is totally acceptable , as to balance the game.


  • 3

#3 JinJakk

JinJakk

    I made it Off Topic

  • New Members
  • 13 posts

Posted 13 January 2021 - 12:32 AM

Modify? I see that as, rebalance, which happens on every game. 

Also, there's no words about how enforcer shoes will be change, or modify if u like. 

Just sit back and enjoy as it is now.  :lol:


  • 0

#4 Tercanum

Tercanum

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 11 posts

Posted 13 January 2021 - 12:49 AM

Problem with your argument is, they didn't sell you the item directly, they sold you a different item, which you then opened/traded for an item that exists in the game. Now if they told you they were selling you the enforcer boots directly and this is what it does, there'd be a problem. BUT they sold you a box, which you then got an item from instead. The box also only stated an item name and not the effects, so it is all subject to warp portals indiscretion to change the effects as and when. Subsequently they could also just nerf the skill in and of itself if they so please. Even if you try to defend your precious enforcer shoes, MA is going to and has to be nerfed. Just live with it and move on.


  • 0

#5 aTID2

aTID2

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 1210 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:still Alive

Posted 13 January 2021 - 02:33 AM

look at RT and answer me.

Did cash shop restriction really help what PVP is?

No, we didnt want balance and fairness in WoE and PvP. We want more advantage than other with anythings we can do like cash shop ,MvP or even editing ours data.

Edited by aTID2, 13 January 2021 - 02:35 AM.

  • 0

#6 nazhioozh

nazhioozh

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 254 posts
  • LocationSantiago, Chile
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Yggdrasil

Posted 13 January 2021 - 05:17 AM

do you think the studio will spend time nerfing items? btw the prices are high because are less offer of those items, it always happened in this market. I understand it must be frustating if you are a new player and everyone can solo leveling hitting over 100k at lvl 100 while you only hit around 10k


Edited by nazhioozh, 13 January 2021 - 05:17 AM.

  • 0

#7 BIGGGGGGGGGG

BIGGGGGGGGGG

    I am New.

  • New Members
  • 4 posts

Posted 13 January 2021 - 07:33 AM

500 word essay just to say “please don’t nerf shoes”. Every game ever created changes content and balances stuff to make it so not one thing is better. I buy a league skin and do you think they care if they rework the champ and I hate it? I buy the best gum in the cash shop on call of duty and you think they care how I’ll feel if they lower the dmg? The only difference is warp portal takes years to fix bugs or balance things. So it makes people feel they are entitled to these things.
  • 0

#8 ChakriGuard

ChakriGuard

    They pay me to post.

  • Members
  • 9478 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Quit

Posted 13 January 2021 - 08:46 AM

1. PvM aspect

 

As long as people dont complain about game doesnt have things to do, its all good. I'm all good. Its good that everyone is OP, so everyone can farm and supply items into the markets. 

 

B> Ominous freezer 10m. I know this Illusion turtle dun is so new but since everyone is so OP, it aint even hard to farm cards yo.

 

2. WoE aspect

 

No need to nerf anything. Broken or no balance no problem. Not like nerfing or fixing items will bring people back when WoE rewards aint even that good. I got a better solution. I'm gonna just defend and do a suicidal attack for funny meme until everyone wants to defend and abuse the flag lmfao

 

Imagine game is so ez that you dont even have to play and you can get fully geared to one shot almost everything, because gears are just so cheap xD  :heh:  :heh:  :heh:

 


  • 0

#9 behemoth2080

behemoth2080

    I made it Off Topic

  • New Members
  • 14 posts

Posted 13 January 2021 - 09:37 AM

Do the GX/SC get a free reset.  They have barely been Meta for 8 months while the Genetic got eons.  Nerfing for WOE is tolerable, for PVM unacceptable.  Also how will you get new players when you tell them one of the easiest classes to familiarize the game with is going to be nerfed and their investment too.  

 

 

Why don't you just offer a Transfer to Ragnarok Mobile for those cry babies.


Edited by behemoth2080, 13 January 2021 - 09:41 AM.

  • 1

#10 Scuba

Scuba

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 3134 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 13 January 2021 - 12:56 PM

I would say the obvious here that when Enforcer was for sale it was for an entirely different version of MA. Has WP released Enforcer in OCP since the patch? Before Enforcer was intended to bring a trash skill into relevance, not boost a powerful skill into god-mode. Its an entirely different value proposition. Even in a nerfed form MA will still be stronger than it was pre-patch. So I don't see room to argue against the nerf tbh.

 

May 1st, 2020

Damage formula changed.

Old: [40 + (Skill Level x 40)]%

New: [(200 + (Skill Level x 120) + (STR x 5)) x (BaseLv ÷ 100)]%


  • 0

#11 mic9010

mic9010

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 288 posts
  • Playing:Nothing

Posted 13 January 2021 - 03:37 PM

Do the GX/SC get a free reset.  They have barely been Meta for 8 months while the Genetic got eons.  Nerfing for WOE is tolerable, for PVM unacceptable.  Also how will you get new players when you tell them one of the easiest classes to familiarize the game with is going to be nerfed and their investment too.  

 

 

Why don't you just offer a Transfer to Ragnarok Mobile for those cry babies.

How will you get new players if you tell them this will be an all GX server potentially in the future and they don't like to play GX? 


  • 0

#12 ZanRen

ZanRen

    Awarded #1 Troll

  • Members
  • 785 posts
  • LocationTustin, CA
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Thor

Posted 13 January 2021 - 03:47 PM

© Account. By agreeing to the User Agreement you agree that you do not own the account you use to access the Service, the characters that Gravity stores on its servers, the items stored on these servers, or any other data which the servers and accounts are comprised of. The account you create is needed to login to the service and the fee that you pay is to continue to access the service.

 

https://www.warpport...ragreement.html

 

you do not own anything though unlike your examples. they can do whatever they please to our accounts/game. as seen on the recent password change which i lost a couple good alts. whether that is good or bad well, we'll see.

 

this is just a service that we are using. of course, your reaction to it is something else entirely. you can quit the game if you dont want the changes they make. and i know it can be bad to the server(s), but its their decision in the end. if the server dies because of this (even though its already almost dead) then that just means they made the wrong decision (which i think they already did on previous decisions based on the population) :heh:

 

i myself wanna keep the enforcer just for some ease of use. i will just keep playing whenever i want to until it all ends :ani_swt3:


  • 2

#13 Timo2504

Timo2504

    I made it Off Topic

  • New Members
  • 24 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 13 January 2021 - 09:01 PM

Damn, only GX can deal that kind of damage :( and u dont want it to be nerfed so sad :(. And anyway, rebalancing, changing items is a part of the game, and that's what make it interesting. 


  • 0

#14 aTID2

aTID2

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 1210 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:still Alive

Posted 13 January 2021 - 10:22 PM

1. PvM aspect

 

As long as people dont complain about game doesnt have things to do, its all good. I'm all good. Its good that everyone is OP, so everyone can farm and supply items into the markets. 

 

B> Ominous freezer 10m. I know this Illusion turtle dun is so new but since everyone is so OP, it aint even hard to farm cards yo.

 

2. WoE aspect

 

No need to nerf anything. Broken or no balance no problem. Not like nerfing or fixing items will bring people back when WoE rewards aint even that good. I got a better solution. I'm gonna just defend and do a suicidal attack for funny meme until everyone wants to defend and abuse the flag lmfao

 

Imagine game is so ez that you dont even have to play and you can get fully geared to one shot almost everything, because gears are just so cheap xD  :heh:  :heh:  :heh:

 

meh, turtle was hard enough. But too good for leveling. Also that Freezer not even that Good when you doesn't even need to play that skills :heh:

 

But It's good enough when WoE player still see everything is cheap, so I can sell more expensive material instantly  :heh:


  • 0

#15 StaticXtreme

StaticXtreme

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 33 posts
  • LocationAsia
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Baphomet

Posted 13 January 2021 - 11:34 PM

Well thanks to Enforcer Shoes I can easily farm mats/stuffs for myself and do instances (Sorry, I'm a social reclusive player in iRO). As long as the PvM aspect of the Enforcer Shoes left untouched I guess all good as the issue mainly in WoE since GX have basically turn into a mass flagged suicidal strike which is not good. This is just my own opinion as I'm a PvM player and I don't have any slightest interest in PvP/GvG/WoE.


  • 0

#16 ChakriGuard

ChakriGuard

    They pay me to post.

  • Members
  • 9478 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Quit

Posted Yesterday, 08:13 AM

meh, turtle was hard enough. But too good for leveling. Also that Freezer not even that Good when you doesn't even need to play that skills :heh:

But It's good enough when WoE player still see everything is cheap, so I can sell more expensive material instantly :heh:


Oh true another factor to count is why even use O. Freezer when you just need MA delete monsters. MA again and it deletes future contents lmfao

You can try selling things more expensive. I still don't know why Shield ring was 100m or something last time I checked. For its OPness, it should easily be selling at 2b. Lots of silly sellers out there xD
  • 0

#17 Ashuckel

Ashuckel

    '-' intensifies

  • Members
  • 18176 posts
  • LocationJohto, Hoenn, Unova, Kalos, Alola
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted Yesterday, 08:22 AM

remember when WP veto'ed the reworking of the current Community Headgears (and thus necesitaded the creation of a v2 project that is still pending kRO approval) because they didn't want to change gears in wich people had invested real money and effort into.

Whatever ends up happening, i'd just appreciate some consistency, and not changing their minds every other week about the same subject but with a different item target.


  • 0

#18 TattooedChef

TattooedChef

    Awarded #1 Troll

  • Members
  • 516 posts
  • LocationSeventh level of Hell
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted Yesterday, 10:23 AM

remember when WP veto'ed the reworking of the current Community Headgears (and thus necesitaded the creation of a v2 project that is still pending kRO approval) because they didn't want to change gears in wich people had invested real money and effort into.

Whatever ends up happening, i'd just appreciate some consistency, and not changing their minds every other week about the same subject but with a different item target.

 

 

Damn Ashuckel, you are asking an awful lot there......


  • 0

#19 Raymon

Raymon

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 50 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Renewal

Posted Yesterday, 12:11 PM

remember when WP veto'ed the reworking of the current Community Headgears (and thus necesitaded the creation of a v2 project that is still pending kRO approval) because they didn't want to change gears in wich people had invested real money and effort into.

Whatever ends up happening, i'd just appreciate some consistency, and not changing their minds every other week about the same subject but with a different item target.

 

It's not pending kRO approval, it was mothballed by Warpportal until they deal with other priorities. 

 

Of course, other priorities keep popping up so Warpportal has not yet submitted proposals to kRO, they haven't even decided which proposals to accept. 

 

Camp's latest messages to me indicated the proposals were in a draft stage with him saying which ones he liked, that's as far as the project has developed. 


  • 0

#20 Mimosa666

Mimosa666

    I made it Off Topic

  • New Members
  • 14 posts

Posted Today, 03:56 PM

Should new players still consider Enforcer Shoes at this stage? Or is it too risky to buy because of the potential nerf?


  • 0

#21 bearl

bearl

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 1581 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Warpportal Forum

Posted 14 minutes ago

you can judge, base on campitor's reply or not to the addressed issue 


  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users