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[ODarksoulX]

Keep in mind that this guide is a bit old and there have been some changes such as Sky Bow not needing Spirit Spheres anymore, thus no real need for EG except as Pre Req for RD now.

Also Windmill was mainly used to get Spheres back via EG as well so not needed really now though it is good for the stunning.

Ok the main thing is as soon as you hit Sura you will be wanting to get Sky Blow Maxed ASAP. This will take you your first 8 Skill points to max. The main reason you do NOT go right for Rampage Blaster is for 2 reasons, 1) SB has 500% damage for 12sp with damage increased by the Agility you still have from Champ lvling. 2) RB does 500% or 1k% in Fury but costs 150sp. Thus RB is only going to be worth the cost ounce you are able to have max RD for 3k% damage, this takes 26 skill points so you can see the problem.

So your first 8 points into Sky Blow then get maxed RD and RB which takes you a total of 33 picks and job level 34. Now if you have REALLY good gears it is possible ounce you hit Job level 27 to use a Neuralizer to reset you skills and then just get RB/RD maxed right away and NOT get Sky Blow to save you points to put in other things.

I did that to soon with my Sura who is currently 108/29 with no Sky Blow and maxed RB/RD but I constanly am spending to much on sp recovery.

Here is a link to a skill simulator to help you plan your progress.

http://irowiki.org/~...ill4/index.html

As for this buildhttp://irowiki.org/~...jQsNanGAjQ1fUcY what do you think? should I get rid of a certain skill or what?

[EvilLoynis]

As for this buildhttp://irowiki.org/~...jQsNanGAjQ1fUcY what do you think? should I get rid of a certain skill or what?

Ok a couple things even before the Sura skills have me troubled.

Raging Trifecta Blow - Either leave it at level 5 or max to level 10. Also Glacier Fist and Chain Crush Combo are not that worth getting. The fact is that linking combos after Thrust is not that great as they should be dead by that time mostly, and wastes skill points that are best spent elsewhere.

Now as for the Sura skills well I am not a specialist here but think about this carefully.

Rampage Blaster - MAX THIS. There is NO reason NOT to get this unless you are already 150/50 and have reset for a pure MVP/WoE/PvP build.

Gates of Hell - This is mainly a PvP/WoE type skill with perhaps MVPing possibilities. It is NOT a leveling skill really. SO no need for Tiger of Fallen either.

Now one skill I did see missing if you are thinking of MVP or PvP was Knuckle Arrow. This is quite a good skill to use on MVP/Boss flagged monsters. Not sure if it's Ranged Ability works in WoE, I know it won't SNAP you to the target but don't know if it still does damage.

[ODarksoulX]

Ok a couple things even before the Sura skills have me troubled.

Raging Trifecta Blow - Either leave it at level 5 or max to level 10. Also Glacier Fist and Chain Crush Combo are not that worth getting. The fact is that linking combos after Thrust is not that great as they should be dead by that time mostly, and wastes skill points that are best spent elsewhere.

Now as for the Sura skills well I am not a specialist here but think about this carefully.

Rampage Blaster - MAX THIS. There is NO reason NOT to get this unless you are already 150/50 and have reset for a pure MVP/WoE/PvP build.

Gates of Hell - This is mainly a PvP/WoE type skill with perhaps MVPing possibilities. It is NOT a leveling skill really. SO no need for Tiger of Fallen either.

Now one skill I did see missing if you are thinking of MVP or PvP was Knuckle Arrow. This is quite a good skill to use on MVP/Boss flagged monsters. Not sure if it's Ranged Ability works in WoE, I know it won't SNAP you to the target but don't know if it still does damage.

http://irowiki.org/~...nafanGAldqAfUcY Ok then, what about this build?

[RoyalHeritage]

^ what purpose do you want the Sura for? and also after the balance patch Sura's are more of a support type of character in TI's or levelling, so... Sura's aren't the killers which ever way you wish to go.

[ODarksoulX]

I want my Sura to be a Pve char, running around aoeing and stuff, with decent def, ofc.

[RoyalHeritage]

Sura lacks PvE(PvM is what u call it) Ability, it's sorta off ok early on with Skyblow, like after 125+ it's one of the most dumbest class to level, just support tank pull and throw in some punches in between, repeat.

And also the built you made is kinda odd, you dont need Cresent Elbow, your better off getting Windmill And power assimilation so you dont run of sp and windmill for aoe stun.

Edited by RoyalHeritage, 26 October 2012 - 11:04 AM.

[Brolleun]

Sura lacks PvE(PvM is what u call it) Ability, it's sorta off ok early on with Skyblow, like after 125+ it's one of the most dumbest class to level, just support tank pull and throw in some punches in between, repeat.

And also the built you made is kinda odd, you dont need Cresent Elbow, your better off getting Windmill And power assimilation so you dont run of sp and windmill for aoe stun.

You'll need to elaborate on your statement, as this comes off as pure frustration, so why does the Sura class suck as whole, and what are the class's weaknesses and strengths?

Is their a detailed response by Gravity--patch notes--that show what was changed to Sura, so players can stat and skill accordingly?

What are your suggestions to the players?

[ODarksoulX]

http://irowiki.org/~...qn1dAGAldrofUcY Ok so I made tweaks to the build, added the extra points from crescent (3 since the other 2 went into assimilate and windmill) to the buffs since they seem good. Also, I agree with what Brolleum said, how did Sura drop from killer to Support?(Dps wise) I mean, none of it's skills seem like it'd make it that good at support. Sura still looks like a killer to me, can you list it's pros and cons?

Edited by ODarksoulX, 27 October 2012 - 02:28 AM.

[RoyalHeritage]

You'll need to elaborate on your statement, as this comes off as pure frustration, so why does the Sura class suck as whole, and what are the class's weaknesses and strengths?

Is their a detailed response by Gravity--patch notes--that show what was changed to Sura, so players can stat and skill accordingly?

What are your suggestions to the players?

http://irowiki.org/~...qn1dAGAldrofUcY Ok so I made tweaks to the build, added the extra points from crescent (3 since the other 2 went into assimilate and windmill) to the buffs since they seem good. Also, I agree with what Brolleum said, how did Sura drop from killer to Support?(Dps wise) I mean, none of it's skills seem like it'd make it that good at support. Sura still looks like a killer to me, can you list it's pros and cons?

I'm too lazy to elaborate stuffs, so i'll try making easier for you guys.
Lets Start of with the damage formula's

https://docs.google....db-n3P8dWwMSJNY




Now skills,
1. All Gentle Touch skills are support and buff skills, Read the Doc and wiki for more info.
2. Now from the top portion of the sura skill tree, there are
Power Velocity - Transfer sphere's <--- Even if you don't need it, you'll be eventually taking it cause of Pre Requist , there goes your precious "1" job skill point at the every start

Power Assimilation - Absorbs Spheres, Gives you SP depending on number of sphere's and MaxSp <-- Absolutely need it

Lion Howling - Good Aoe, but sad damage and Huge Cast Re use delay. <--- So, NO!

Lightening Ride - Ok AOE, Sad damage, Long Cast time, Reuse Delay, Need 5 sphere's per cast (so u need to zen after every cast or if u have Rising Dragon lvl 10, you'll need to reload every 3 shots) <--- So NO!

Cursed Circle - Area Wide Stone Curse "like Status" (its' not stone curse but similar to it) that holds Enemy, the Best skill in the sura tree <-- Support (Absolutely need it)

Windmill - Small Aoe Stun Skills for monsters and in pvp/woe makes enemies go in sit status <--- Support (Absolutely need it)

Lighting walk - Help's you dodge "1" Ranged or magic attack, at lvl 5 the status is there for 7sec Max <--- Useless, unless u have a spare last 1 point to put it

Knuckle Arrow - Good damage , But single target <--- Not recommended.

Dragon Combo - Just another skill that is also useless, can be used for chaining combo's after Raging thrust. *Its best used for combo GOH(Gates of Hell)* <--- Pre Requist lvl is more than enough

Fallen Empire - This comes after Dragon Combo, only useful purpose if combo GOH <-- Jus take it for Pre Requist

Earth Shaker - Another Small Aoe, sad damage skill which uses sphere's to cast and detect hidden Enemies <-- Jus take it for Pre Requist

Rampage Blaster - One of the worthful skill to get in terms of lvling, Good AOE, Great damage, consumes all sphere, more sphere more damage, So Max damage when Rising Dragon is maxed and you have 15 spheres over you, Long Cooldown. <--- this is what i meant by throwing in some punches while u pull n support

Rising Dragon- MUST GET IT!

Tiger Cannon- Also one of the good AOE skills, Nice Damage, damage comparable to Rampage Blaster or maybe even more, but it takes away hp (HP Cost: (10 + 2 * Skill Level) %) and SP (HP Cost: (10 + 2 * Skill Level) %) <--- Not a Viable option too, so other option of throwing in something in intervals.

Gates Of Hell - Highest Damage Single Target Skill, Mostly used for PVP/WOE/MVP. <--- Not recommended for leveling
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Sky Net Blow - Good Aoe, Good Damage, Great skill in the early levels because the cost consumption is the lowest and the skill can be spammed <--Recommended Skill for leveling , Specially Early leveling.

Cresent Elbow - Same thing as Lighting Walk but instead of Ranged or magic this reflects some portion of "Physical Melee Damage" and stays for the same 7sec at Lvl 5 <-----Completely useless as LW in terms of lvling.

I guess that wraps it up. Hopefully i haven't left out anything. I'll leave the Killer or Support or anything else for you guys to comment after this.

Edited by RoyalHeritage, 27 October 2012 - 05:40 AM.

[AssassinX89]

You'll need to elaborate on your statement, as this comes off as pure frustration, so why does the Sura class suck as whole, and what are the class's weaknesses and strengths?

Is their a detailed response by Gravity--patch notes--that show what was changed to Sura, so players can stat and skill accordingly?

What are your suggestions to the players?

He's not saying they suck as a whole. They just suck at PvM. You can solo for a bit when you turn sura but after a while all you can do is gramps or tank in partys. Suras excel in every other department. Sura class is probably one of the best MVPers and are really good in pvp/WoE.

Edited by AssassinX89, 27 October 2012 - 05:23 AM.

[ODarksoulX]

So, let me get this straight, at one point Suras were Main artillery, but now they're back-up artillery? So..does that mean at higher levels I should re-stat and go for a Mvp build if I want to stick to Pve? or should I just re-roll to something like warlock/Gen/RG for pve?

[RoyalHeritage]

Depends what you want with your Sura, MVP/WOE/GTR Slave. Sura is Versatile, but they totally suck in terms of AOE damage in PVM. Your gonna be Clinging to Gramps party to hit 150/50 with a "gut" feeling of being useless other than tanking and support. Even GX's will be better in killing than a sura.

Edited by RoyalHeritage, 27 October 2012 - 06:21 AM.

[ODarksoulX]

That really sucks, cause Monk is the first class I had a look at and really liked what I saw so I picked it, as soon as I found out about Sura, I thought, epic. Huge aoe dps with nice hp/decent mp and good def, what more could you ask for? >:T

[AssassinX89]

so what are good skills/stats for pure MVP build? and when should you restat for mvp build?

Edited by AssassinX89, 27 October 2012 - 07:20 AM.

[RoyalHeritage]

That really sucks, cause Monk is the first class I had a look at and really liked what I saw so I picked it, as soon as I found out about Sura, I thought, epic. Huge aoe dps with nice hp/decent mp and good def, what more could you ask for? >:T

Like i said class is versatile when you hit 150/50 but getting to 150/50 is the painful one. Unless you have gods and level on MVP's.

so what are good skills/stats for pure MVP build? and when should you restat for mvp build?

MVP built will be 120vit/int 110str (120 str if ur meg'd) 40-50 dex and rest luk.
And as for restat's 125+ of maybe when u think of giving up on Sky Blow lvling
P.S - Skills are fine, you jus have to restat for the agi =\ sadly.

Skills from 3rd class you just need the basics
1. GTR and GTC
2. RD
3. Power Absorb
4. CC is useful for Stopping the Mobs.

[ODarksoulX]

Oh ok, I'll work on that and make sure my sura is epic ty for the advice.

[ODarksoulX]

So, I've already reached 93, nearing 93. I'd like to know what stat to add my points into after I transcend. I'm going to be a combo Champion. Until 125-30. Then I'll go MvP.

[EvilLoynis]

So, I've already reached 93, nearing 93. I'd like to know what stat to add my points into after I transcend. I'm going to be a combo Champion. Until 125-30. Then I'll go MvP.

You level as Champ same way you leveled as Monk with the same stats really.

Agi/Str/Dex

[RoyalHeritage]

Sky Blow Build

• STR: 80+
• AGI: 80-100
• VIT: 95+
• INT: 50-100
• DEX: 70+
• LUK: 1+

This build focuses on using Sky Blow as your main leveling skill, accompanied by Rampage Blaster and Gentle Touch Convert/Revitalize at later levels. After acquiring Sky Blow Level 5, It is recommended to max out Rising Dragon,Rampage Blaster, and the Gentle Touch skill branch in that order. However, it is also plausible to max out the Gentle Touch skill branch instead of the Rising Dragon skill branch first, allowing for cheaper leveling with Revitalize.

Taken from irowiki. Should do the trick but instead of agi 100 , agi 70 is enough put the rest in str and get it above 100

[ODarksoulX]

50 int..? So when exactly does that stat build look like that? Like 80 str, 70 agi,50 int, 70 dex and 95 vit? Around 1xx?12x? Ty for the advice, also, at level 94+, do I just grind? Should I look for a partner for dungeon leveling? Also, in your opinion, as a high novice, should I use all my points and pump str add points into agi/dex/vit and once I get around 65~ base dex, level int?

Edited by ODarksoulX, 28 October 2012 - 11:17 AM.

[RoyalHeritage]

after you rebirth, its wiser to put in dex then str, get high dex early on so u dont miss then follow up with str n agi. Int and vit are at the very later part. Specially Int, you won't need that much coz the sp pool aint great for champ or sura class. so 40-50-60 wont make much difference unless your a sura and is pretty high leveled.

[Brolleun]

http://irowiki.org/~...qn1dAGAldrofUcY Ok so I made tweaks to the build, added the extra points from crescent (3 since the other 2 went into assimilate and windmill) to the buffs since they seem good. Also, I agree with what Brolleum said, how did Sura drop from killer to Support?(Dps wise) I mean, none of it's skills seem like it'd make it that good at support. Sura still looks like a killer to me, can you list it's pros and cons?

I find you have alot of unnecessary skills for a leveling build. My suggestion would be the following for Sura: http://irowiki.org/~...qn1dAGAkQrBfUcY

Beyond leveling, I couldn't suggest were to begin for MVP, PVP, or anything resembling end game.

You are the second person to spell my name "Brolleum." The name is Brol-l-e-u-n.

Edit: Do not get Angelus because that power is useless as a 2 dollar-_- making eggs benedict.

Edited by Brolleun, 11 November 2012 - 12:21 PM.

[AssassinX89]

I am lvl 141, would it be wise to restat now? or should i just wait till 150? also should i go for revit tree or GoH for MVPing? i can't do both since they both require a ridiculous amount of skill points. i think the convert boost your atk so maybe i don't need revit. Not sure what to do. also should i do 120 str/int, 60 vit, 40 dex and like 18 luk?

[RoyalHeritage]

For Mvping, you dont need GOH, get Revit and convert and use it according to the mvp's. Stat's should be like 110Str/110Int 105vit 40dex 30+ luk. If u have megs or access to megs u can cut of vit and int and make Str 120.

[ODarksoulX]

what is a meg?