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[Nolanvoid]

Last night, we added Drakos Tower Item Mall Scrolls for level 45 and level 50. There are 3 different sets for the Normal, Rare, and Hero modes. These can be found under the Consumables Tab in the Travel section. Pricing is as follows:

Drakos Tower
Normal/Rare:
Level 45:

• 1 for 30 Pts
• 5 for 125 Pts

Normal/Rare:
Level 50:

• 1 for 45 Pts
• 5 for 175 Pts

Hero:
Level 45:

• 1 for 35 Pts
• 5 for 150 Pts

Hero:
Level 50:

• 1 for 50 Pts
• 5 for 200 Pts

Van Cliff Underground Prison:
Normal/Rare:
Level 25:

• 1 for 25
• 5 for 100

Hero:
Level 25:

• 1 for 35
• 5 for 175

Increased Success Rate Stones
Regular Enchant Runestone:

• 5xPack:100 Pts
• 10xPack+10ArmorEnchantDust+5WeaponEnchantDust:200 Pts

Advanced Enchant Runestone:

• 5xPack:125 Pts
• 10xPack+10ArmorEnchantDust+5WeaponEnchantDust:250 Pts

Special Enchant Runestone:

• 5xPack:500 Pts
• 10xPack+20ArmorEnchantDust+10WeaponEnchantDust:1000 Pts

Artifact Enchant Runestone:

• 5xPack:1500 Pts
• 10xPack+50ArmorEnchantDust+25WeaponEnchantDust:3000 Pts

Advanced Soulcraft Stone:

• 5x Pack:250 Pts
• 10xPack+1SoulBox:500 Pts

Special Soulcraft Stone:

• 5x Pack:375 Pts
• 10xPack+3SoulBox:750 Pts

Artifact Soulcraft Stone:

• 5x Pack:500 Pts
• 10xPack+5SoulBox:1000 Pts

Legendary Soulcraft Stone:

• 5x Pack:1500 Pts
• 10xPack+10SoulBox:3000 Pts

Today, we will be adding in different levels of Enchant Rune Stones and Soul Craft Stones. These stones will only be in the stores for a limited time!

[DarkShelly]

cool this will make paris runs so much more easier

[manifuelt]

is this temporary? or it will cycles just like the mixboard?

[Nolanvoid]

This is permanent.

[Kazu731]

THANK GOD

[Rimmy]

I love you guys so much. <3

[Nolanvoid]

Added Van Cliff level 25 scrolls as well.

[Kazu731]

Added Van Cliff level 25 scrolls as well.

Oh god

[EnderW]

It's nice that the stones are going to be sold by themselves now getting them from the random boxes pretty much made them not worth it

I'm a little concerned about the high price of the Legendary Soulcraft Stone and Artifact Enchant Runestone though as the stones have been reported to not actually add that much to the success chance

[Nolanvoid]

Stones have been added!

[GrapefruitGod]

Aramis, have I ever said how much I love you?

I love you

[Vanille]

Stones have been added!

They are too pricey, what is the % success rate if we use them?

[Shuzelin]

COOL, THANK U SO MUCH

[EnderW]

They are too pricey, what is the % success rate if we use them?

From what I've heard they don't add much to the success rate at all and from the few stones I used in the past I'd have to say they didn't seem to help much

[Rimmy]

The value for the stones has been suggested before, but it's unconfirmed. IMO, it's fine the way it is, b/c they can't give the stones some crazy bonus -- like a 10-20% bonus chance for success -- as this would mean that anyone who was a cash user could easily +20/Legend all of their gear in no time, and you'd have an even bigger gap between the cash and non-cash users.

[EnderW]

+15 legend (they didn't put the stone for +16-20 in) and the gap wouldn't actually be any bigger as there is a maximum level for gear to be crafted/enchanted so anyone that buys IM will eventually get to that level while everyone that doesn't can only go as far as artifact +4 (realistically, though they could spend a ton of gold/enchant dust and eventually get +7)

Personally I think right now the stones are priced too high for me to consider buying them (they just don't add enough success rate to argue for buying them over buying more enchant scrolls for more tries perhaps if you could stack their effect by using more than 1 per try they would be worth it while retaining some balance) though I am happy to at least see them being sold rather than a random chance in the boxes as that made them cost more and become even more worthless

Edited by EnderW, 24 September 2011 - 05:58 AM.

[Rimmy]

The +16-20 stones are in there. The Artifact Enchant stones are for that range -- the description on the 1500-IM point Artifact Rune package is wrong, says "Special" and "+11-+15," when the Artifact stones are actually for +16-20.

As for the gap between players, IMO, it would increase the gap b/c if you give the stones too high a bonus for enchantment/soulcrafting, cash users who would otherwise be content getting their gear to, say, +12-+15 and all Special/Artifact would then have extra incentive to spend more to try to go that extra mile for the +20/Legend (or at least higher than they would without the stones).

Stacking the stones' effect would be a broken, easy-mode way to succeed in enchantment/soulcrafting, *unless* there was a strict limit on how high the effect could stack. But even then, IMO, you couldn't allow stacking of more than maybe 2 at a time without it becoming too easy to succeed.

EDIT: Just keep in mind that the stones are meant to give a bonus chance, not be the new "everyone-uses-them-every-time" item right alongside insurance scrolls.

Edited by Rimmy, 24 September 2011 - 06:19 AM.

[igozuvi]

Honestly I'm conflicted, I think with that kind of price the stones need to have more give. If they can't receive a better success bonus, then they need to be cheaper.

[Rimmy]

One thing I do agree with you guys on is the price of the Artifact Enchant Runestone package, compared to the value of what you get for it. Since the Legend-grade soulcraft package offers 10 soul stacks (approx. 1-1.5K gold value), I think the amount of powders offered in the enchant package should be boosted considerably to bring it more in line with the soulcraft one in terms of overall value.

On another note, regarding your concerns overall about the value/prices... As an alternative, rather than increase the % chance offered by the runestones or lowering the prices of the packages, what if the packages simply offered more runestones? For instance, 10 stones for the 1500 IM package and 20 stones for the 3000 IM package (double what they offer now)? Would that be considered an acceptable compromise?

[igozuvi]

Ideally I'd want the stones themselves to have more of a bonus. It's true it would encourage cash users to spend more, but I think it goes both ways; it would also encourage non-cash users to invest as well. I know my friend and I, who otherwise would be heavy cash users (we certainly were on Ragnarok), are not because the base rates for enchanting here are simply just too low.

But to answer your question, it's mainly a matter of getting what you pay for. If the rates of the stones are really as intended, then the only way for me to justify buying them is either having (a lot) more stones or having a (much) cheaper price. There's just no way I'd spend $30 on a pack of stones with bonus rates that low.

[StormHaven]

If you're gonna boost the rates then change to what the other servers had... if you fail past +15 your item resets to +15

[Kazu731]

qqqqqqqqqq why can't everything be my way? i want my gear to be +20 very cheap so I can be da best

[igozuvi]

Kazu731: getting threads locked since 2011

[EnderW]

If you're gonna boost the rates then change to what the other servers had... if you fail past +15 your item resets to +15

It's going past +18 (i.e +19 and +20) where if it fails it resets to +15 (on IAH anyway)

[Jumpluffspore]

Kazu731: getting threads locked since 2011

Gonna disagree with you there. I find his posts to be a summary of the general attitude that has been adopted by many players, but remade in his own style. Does he go too far sometimes? Yes. But if anyone can't handle what he posts, then they shouldn't be on a forum. I'd like to point out that the game is e-10, but the forums have no ratings.