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Poll: Ale should be changed to : (379 member(s) have cast votes)

Ale should be changed to :

  1. Ales become 100% account bound on the 15th and a trade in event happens. (27 votes [8.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.18%

  2. Trade in happens, and on December 6 date all remaining ales disappear (40 votes [12.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.12%

  3. Ales have strict timers put on them everywhere and we just let em sit as is. (37 votes [11.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.21%

  4. Ales over next few weeks lose heal/sp efficiency (10%) until 0% and then deleted. Tradeins during those weeks (37 votes [11.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.21%

  5. current Ales gain to 25 weight and tradable (118 votes [35.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.76%

  6. Account bound, and done. (44 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  7. Account bound, and timer now and done (27 votes [8.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.18%

St Pat's Hat

  1. Effect stopped to March with account bind. (50 votes [15.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.15%

  2. Effect stopped but tradable. (69 votes [20.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.91%

  3. Effect remain, but remain account bind. (111 votes [33.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.64%

  4. Effect remain and open trade. (100 votes [30.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.30%

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#301 sayoko

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:03 PM

where is heimdad? can any gm confirm that there wont be any "ninja update" like this one?
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#302 Mayhem

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:09 PM

I hate this thread.

I wont even point out all the stuff that is wrong with uses a poll.

Ok so Hiem, from what I am seeing with what people are voting on, how are you going to stop the bot farming of ales?
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:10 PM

C'mon now. Look at what you wrote. Such sentiments are not conducive to a reasoned discussion, let's keep things constructive. There will be a lot of people who will not understand what the fungineering initiative's goals are, and it is up to you guys to stay positive and take the high road. Haters, as they say are gonna hate. I expect fungineers to rise above it.


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I'm sorry. here, everyone have a cupcake. Mmm.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:10 PM

I hate this thread.

I wont even point out all the stuff that is wrong with uses a poll.

Ok so Hiem, from what I am seeing with what people are voting on, how are you going to stop the bot farming of ales?

they are not turning off the hat effect? :D read the update that oda made
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:12 PM

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I'm sorry. here, everyone have a cupcake. Mmm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qhtGUC-L_o&feature=related

actually i used this video for more for me..... i really want to keep comment/helping noobs(troling) with my mario account XC

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#306 sayoko

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:24 PM

after a talk with kamina.......... this change its really good, nothing last forever, BUT there should be something for the people that invested ENRICHEDS to make the hats to +7 >-< and a way to decard my myst card from the saint patrick hat :D

I HATE WHEN A BRONIE ITS RIGHT
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#307 dragonmaster731

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:26 PM

I hate this thread.

I wont even point out all the stuff that is wrong with uses a poll.

Ok so Hiem, from what I am seeing with what people are voting on, how are you going to stop the bot farming of ales?


They are:
St. Patrick's Hat
-Will be losing it's effect

so no more ale will be dropping this upcoming maintenance.
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#308 Masterdelmal

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:37 PM

If you cancel St Patrick hat effect, I want a zeny/items refund

I waste my time farming and i cant sell this now....

I want my KP Back for the reffinement...

like 1k kp & zeny for the hat
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#309 dragonmaster731

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:39 PM




^What did I say on page 3? Oh yes, what's in that quote. What page is this now... ?


People can join Fungi because it's a volunteer group...
We don't even have anything to do with WoE or PVP really. I don't mess with it cause I don't DO it. Keep hatin'. We have different committees for a reason.. lol.

Oh and,
If we "influence" the GM's, yet we have "no say".... please enlighten me on how that even makes sense, Susan. Please write yet ANOTHER contradicting argument that makes yourself look fairly uneducated. I would enjoy this very much, thank you. Always enjoy reading your posts; they brighten up my day.

Bots that used St Patty hats were "legit" players, not some chinese zeny farming bots. If you'd get your head out of your ass and realize that some of the biggest guilds were farming botted ales then maybe you'd understand why these changes came about. Go ahead and jump on the bandwagon, saying that you were 100% legit in your farming of all your ales. I don't HAVE to believe you. Nobody does.

Okay, now everybody get really, really mad that I said this, get personally offended and think this was directed towards you, and -1 rep and then cry out that yours are 100% legit while saying that the Fungi's are retarded/messed up and yadda yadda. Go go go!


If they were then they are not "legit" players. I am pretty sure that we never say anything about Chinese zeny farming bots but bots in general.

You know what, let start the witch hunt again! You are saying we are guilty for someone else doing and/or letting us take a beating because of what someone else is doing.
You worked hard and earn the money to buy a car to go to places. Then all of a sudden because there's a lot of drunk driving, they took away everyone's car and replace it with a bike (non-motorized). (not a great example but that's how I feel)
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:41 PM

Screw this, i ma go play Team Fortress 2 or elite beat agents, you GM's will do whatever you want, even if the choice is kind of good in my opinion i still hate how you guys made a useless pool, and ignore comunity proposals.



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#311 Mayhem

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:54 PM

Awesome then.

Like most event things, I like it to last the event, but should just be for the event.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:57 PM

If they were then they are not "legit" players. I am pretty sure that we never say anything about Chinese zeny farming bots but bots in general.

You know what, let start the witch hunt again! You are saying we are guilty for someone else doing and/or letting us take a beating because of what someone else is doing.
You worked hard and earn the money to buy a car to go to places. Then all of a sudden because there's a lot of drunk driving, they took away everyone's car and replace it with a bike (non-motorized). (not a great example but that's how I feel)


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Take my post how you wish.


Please have a cupcake. I am not saying/doing anything more.

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This topic is dead btw. End result blew the whole purpose of this poll out of the water.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 07:04 PM

:D
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#314 dragonmaster731

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 07:10 PM

I'm pretty sure that most votes were from people taking advantage of ales in some way since most of ales defenders are either botters or a few people who legally farmed 60k ales throught 4 hours of daily non-stopping mobbing during 8 months.


Also people who spend a lot of time and real money buying gums, farming the event.


So, GM's in their wisdom selected a mix of some of the least popular votes, since there are at least 1500 players unaware of what's going on forums and they are mostly non-hardcore players. These people are the REAL affected players by the use of ales during WoE (which is Heim's biggest concern, the use of Ales as main potting option, creating unbalance during wars).

Wait, what? Non-hardcore people WOE-ing, do they even have a 150 character?
Most of the people that WOE, would have to be pretty hardcore to get to 150 and are in a guild who keep up to date information on the game to have an edge. Most of the people you are talking about are probably going to get one shotted running into a castle or have less than ten people showing up for WOE. Taking away the ale would make no different for these people imo.

Heim is not doing this to screw 100-200 people, he's doing this for the sake of the other 1600 players (there are like 900 bots and merchants ingame, so I'm not counting them) because it's the RIGHT THING TO DO. There are many players (included myself) who love WoEs but simply cant afford green ales or started playing this game AFTER St. Patrick's event.

Wait, so we are being shafted because we joined the game before you and took advantage of the event? How about all the other god item or gear that people put a lot of time and efforts into getting, should we make it much much much weaker as well?

QUIT complaining, they are already giving you options. Ales should have never existed out of its event period and this was a GM mistake and only a FEW (compared to the whole community) is complaining about it. Stop making Heim's desition harder to take and just accept this as it comes.

Oh, and Heim, do something with the REAL problem already, will ya?

PS: I don't agree with Mefistofeles banning, he was just (spitting) the truth to people. I hope then you have banned Scientistic as well, he's the most annoying troll in forums and he really deserves a ban.

Yes, they are giving us an options. How about this, you trade me your five dollar bill and I'll give you my one dollar bill? The option that they give us, really isn't an variable option.
Just like you said, it is a GM mistake, why do we have to get the shaft for it?

Only a few complains about it... hhhhhmmm How did you come to this conclusion? Probably by the number of people posting on the forum. Wait, I remember you saying that a lot of people don't know what's going on the forums... hhhmmm These people could be for the change, against it, or just don't care. This will not fly if you are saying that heim is doing it for all the other people, when he doesn't know what they wanted. He might think or guess what they might wanted but he does not know for sure. Oh btw, we are not making Heim decision harder, we are voicing our views and opinions. This should make his decision easier, since we break things down for him to see the good and bad things about the changes. This is why he posted such topic on the forums, if not he wouldn't ask for our opinions, but it seems like our opinions does not matter much to him anyways. T T
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 07:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qhtGUC-L_o&feature=related

actually i used this video for more for me..... i really want to keep comment/helping noobs(troling) with my mario account XC


You're not trolling. You're just really stupid :D

Edited by Braska, 11 November 2011 - 07:12 PM.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 07:13 PM

This topic is dead btw. End result blew the whole purpose of this poll out of the water.

Yeah, the topic and poll was for nothing. Waste of time voicing views and opinions. *yawn* I think I have more fun on the forums than playing the game :D.

This might be it for me.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 07:24 PM

Ironic that hat owners previously cheering for green ale nerf are now up in arms because their 150m hat is now useless.

Some of us have lost over 5b+ on ales; I personally lost 16b.

But anyway, that's history. In the eyes of Gravity, we (haters/fungineers/hat owners/ale owners/RO players) are all botters and deserve to be punished. Let's take it like Winston Smith in 1984.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 07:57 PM

Ban the people who run the bot farms. The people who supply the warps for the botters to access the old maps. Botting ales is a group effort, and large groups benefit from it. It's easy enough to identify a trend in the accounts used to farm the ales. Ban the groups responsible.

The GMs won't because the groups responsible comprise a large part of the active WoE community and are for the most part veteran players. But if you want the problem taken care of, ban those responsible. You already know who they are.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 08:43 PM

If we "influence" the GM's, yet we have "no say".... please enlighten me on how that even makes sense, Susan.

i'm seriously sorry if you didn't understand my post.
I was using sarcasm and i was actually trying to "defend" the fun-gineers. This thread is full of people contradicting themselves, mindlessly bashing Fungineers though they aren't GMs. i was pointing that out with a fairly obvious sarcastic contradicting note.

Please write yet ANOTHER contradicting argument that makes yourself look fairly uneducated. I would enjoy this very much, thank you. Always enjoy reading your posts; they brighten up my day.

That's very nice of you.
Nah just kidding, i actually got the sarcasm you posted there... i guess you are personally attacking me because you think i personally attacked you or something... but i didn't. This is the first time i ever wrote your name, "Okii".

Back to topic...

Bots that used St Patty hats were "legit" players, not some chinese zeny farming bots. If you'd get your head out of your ass and realize that some of the biggest guilds were farming botted ales then maybe you'd understand why these changes came about. Go ahead and jump on the bandwagon, saying that you were 100% legit in your farming of all your ales. I don't HAVE to believe you. Nobody does.

Bots =/= legit players. I don't give a damn about who breaks the rules, guildleader or not. The GM Team failed to protect their own players and the rules and let botting happen. Then suddenly I get the punishment for it. I find this is unacceptable. That's my opinion.
I don't have to jump on anybodys bandwagon and i don't give a damn if you, Okii, believe me when i say that i hunted my items 100%legit. However, just because you, Okii, do not believe me, that doesn't mean the GM team can punish me and i must not mention my dissatisfaction.

Okay, now everybody get really, really mad that I said this, get personally offended and think this was directed towards you,

You mentioned my name, i dont know why but somehow i feel like you are directing stuff towards me.
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