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[renouille]

I love how everyone seriously thinks this was a feature. None of the points stated above have been legitimate intentions.

It's as much of a feature as hiding from spells with non-zero cast time or fly winging away from certain death. Again, if we've always been able to do something, and no one has ever complained about it before, that should be a pretty good clue that it was never a bug to begin with. Your attempted rebuttal is nothing more than your opinion and circular reasoning, just like in your earlier post. What's next?

"Dare I ask why you think that none of those points have been legitimate intentions?"

"They are not how you were meant to play the game."

Give us a break!

People just need to grow the up and deal with it when your "options" are taken away. If you had it before, it was a privilege not a right and can be revoked at any given time.

I've already "dealt with it."

What I'm dealing with is someone who seems to have a need to feel superior to everyone else by calling them "bug abusers," yet can't provide a single valid reason why the action in question is a bug.

Consider this argument: It's long been impossible to log out for several seconds after you've been attacked. Obviously, they didn't want you to flee from danger like a coward. In this situation, using a (butter/giant)fly wing and teleporting are both cowardly. Therefore, being able to do so is a bug, and anyone who has ever escaped death (and EXP loss) by teleporting from a dangerous situation is a bug abuser.

Do I agree with this? No, I think it's ridiculous. But this has infinitely more substance than your claim that something is a bug because... well, it's a bug.

[MrBudd]

Why are you even arguing with me using bs arguments? Something that was not intended is called a bug. If you abuse it it's called bug abuse. Its like the unintentional effect of drinking mouthwash to get wasted on it. People do it but is it not considered abuse of substance.

All your arguments in your attempt to support yourself here are flawed as they were all unintentional effects which is classified as a bug but since it benefits the players who's going to point it out to the devs. People just got used to how broken this game was, abused what they could, took it as the norm and cried when it was fixed.

To answer your question here about logging out, if you deem it cowardly to teleport out its your own damn problem. If the ability to wing away from near death was removed, I'd just die and not care. Losing 1-3% isn't the end of the world even if you are at level 149@99.9% just gives you a reason to be more careful and recruit backup.

I'd highly suggest to take this opportunity and keep quiet from here on before you look more like an idiot. If you have an issue about me coming off like I'm trying to be superior, here shoot me a pm and i'll gladlenlisted. If I wanted to feel superior I'd actual talk and brag about sh!t I gotten and achieved that people wished they had, but it seems like you're feeling inferior here for some reason even though I haven't.

[Inubashiri]

To answer the original poster's question:

Every test I've ever done when in the upgrading dialog has NEVER allowed opening of new boxes. This was reported before that they couldn't use the kafra to pull more out like "before" which that has been disabled for over a year.

This isn't greed, it is the way it is and should be, I would like to know what happened to allow it recently, if it was allowed recently.

[renouille]

As for worrying about treading on my territory I wouldn't care since I don't buy or sell over upgraded gears. Just here stating that this was a bug that has just been exploited by players and the iRO gms didn't give a sh!t about it.

Maybe you don't care about buying and reselling, but it sounds like you do care about other people being able to upgrade without putting up a huge, irrecoverable initial investment as you do.

Why are you even arguing with me using bs arguments?

Care to elaborate?

If something doesn't agree with your preconceived notions, and you find you have no defense (insults and begging the question aren't valid arguments), the reasonable thing to do is to start rethinking your preconceived notions.

Something that was not intended is called a bug. If you abuse it it's called bug abuse.

All your arguments in your attempt to support yourself here are flawed as they were all unintentional effects which is classified as a bug but since it benefits the players who's going to point it out to the devs. People just got used to how broken this game was, abused what they could, took it as the norm and cried when it was fixed.

You keep saying that. Have you learned how to read the devs' minds? How do you know they were unintentional? Just because something changed doesn't mean it was unintentional, and even if it was it wasn't necessarily a bug. Otherwise, the ranks of "bug abusers" would swell to include anyone who's ever depended on gloomy+CS, or spammed gfist with SP items, or chugged ales to stay alive, or leveled using reflect damage+kaahi, ...

I could make a case that hiding was only intended to conceal the caster's presence from non-demon/insect/boss. (Adrian from Loki actually did this many years ago.) Even so, I would have a hard time seizing on this as an excuse to disparage those who have used it effectively to survive gfists (or Kathryne's 100k damage JT).

Why would anyone have needed to point it out to the devs? It wasn't exactly a secret, nor was it something that was obviously unnatural in any way.

What we've seen is a typical "throw out the baby with the bath water" fix. Clogon said they did it to prevent certain NPC abuses. Those "NPC abuses" are the bugs--not the general ability to use items/skills at any time, even during dialog, which we've had since...oh, the beginning. By your reasoning, if they disabled all skills in Eden to stop the annoying manhole/icewall/song of despair/bowling bash abusers, then anyone who's ever buffed up there would be a bug abuser.

To answer your question here about logging out, if you deem it cowardly to teleport out its your own damn problem. If the ability to wing away from near death was removed, I'd just die and not care. Losing 1-3% isn't the end of the world even if you are at level 149@99.9% just gives you a reason to be more careful and recruit backup.

First, I'm not the one who thinks it's cowardly to teleport away. That's the impression of the designers' mindset that one gets from the game mechanic of not being able to log out.

Second, the issue isn't whether anyone would care about the change ("deal with it"). It's whether someone would be justified in belittling others who openly relied on being able to teleport from danger for 9+ years.

I'd highly suggest to take this opportunity and keep quiet from here on before you look more like an idiot. If you have an issue about me coming off like I'm trying to be superior, here shoot me a pm and i'll gladlenlisted. If I wanted to feel superior I'd actual talk and brag about sh!t I gotten and achieved that people wished they had, but it seems like you're feeling inferior here for some reason even though I haven't.

Believe me, I'm not feeling inferior right now.

[MrBudd]

Really don't give a sh!t about how much money I spend vs others in unrecoverable investments. Having 200 HD's in my storage doesn't bother me since I'll always end up upgrading something sooner or later and if not it's not like I really care, I'm not a sh!t broke college student that can't justify $20 gambling on upgrades.

As for reading the dev's mind, that's for me to know and for you to forever be mind boggled. I've been in this industry long enough to understand that if it's NOT intentional, it's a bug. Inu already posted a quote from Heim pretty much saying it was a bug and that opening boxes with a dialogue box open is unintentional. Trying to pull up every single instance of another unintentional effect to support this is just retarded. If you're saying the Dev's are considering it cowardly to wing to escape, maybe you should reframe your outlook to it as them hinting at the fact that you need better support or that you really shouldn't belong there. ie. if you overmob and die from having too many monsters on you, it's your own damn fault. Some games don't give you the luxury of winging away.

You seem to be trying to hard to prove yourself for some reason. Take a deep breath and go untie your panties out of that knot, I'll be more than happy to help you take em off if they're that tight . At this point in time, I'm not the one that needs to prove that it is a bug and yes, I do consider all the half assed players that relied on reflect+kahii leveling, pre-balance Gloomy + clashing, weapon swap exceed break, the infinite ale spammers as bug abusers and cry babies for QQing about the skills post balance. It was never the intention of how the game was supposed to be played which was why it got fixed.

So yeah, have a cookie.



PS. If you're a girl, we can make out after if it makes you feel better, but only *after* you have a cookie

[Inubashiri]

WTF is all this, I think we've diverted waaaaaaaaaay of the original topic. The question was answered and the stupid flaming can stop.