Change G-fist after delay

Back in the day gfist wasn't designed to be used with infinite blue potions available. SP items were supposed to be hard to get/costly.

So no. 

ya i agree wit xellie n idk y u so mad 1 hit ko aint useless u jus livin n da past homie

Not our fault you can donate real money for pots in game. Why is it fair a knight, sin or blacksmith can buy pots with real money and level to 99 faster than anyone using them to mob?

Not our fault you can donate real money for pots in game. Why is it fair a knight, sin or blacksmith can buy pots with real money and level to 99 faster than anyone using them to mob?

nobody said it was fair. It's about balance.

Also comparing knights and sins lol

nobody said it was fair. It's about balance.

 

Also comparing knights and sins lol

Only in the terms of leveling but knights are still #1 in leveling using WoE supply boxes. Nothing compared to a full WoE build monk

I wouldn't compare balance in pvm to balance in woe. 

Back in the day gfist wasn't designed to be used with infinite blue potions available. SP items were supposed to be hard to get/costly.

 

So no. 

Isnt making blue pots and sp items a pvm thing or are you just as retarded ?

Isnt making blue pots and sp items a pvm thing or are you just as retarded ?

I see you know how to have a reasonable debate with no name-calling. Come back to me when you learn to read and/or be civil. I can deal with you not grasping the point if you can be civil about it. 

I see you know how to have a reasonable debate with no name-calling. Come back to me when you learn to read and/or be civil. I can deal with you not grasping the point if you can be civil about it. 

You're so negative about the subject that you throw around misconceptions about the whole idea, I suggested if not lowering the after delay then just getting rid of the sp drain aspect of it. Yes please leave, you have given no good opinions about the subject

No, I just have a different opinion to you. If you wanted to be taken seriously you'd discuss the points bought up in a reasonable manner. 

That's how people get their suggestions considered. 

No, I just have a different opinion to you. If you wanted to be taken seriously you'd discuss the points bought up in a reasonable manner. 

 

That's how people get their suggestions considered. 

Just go away already

Ok first of all ... chill guys, play it nicely unreasonable flaming dont get anyone anywhere.

Basicly the CD on Asura is fair and just even if it wasnt in the game originally, it redeem actually pretty much a nesseccatiy ,Asura ist a really (too) powerfull skill, even without Zen as a Champion.

However the dps on a monk with asura compared to other classes actually doenst differ to much, given the right builts . Asura is however a extremly powerfull burst skill, that lets it shine in mvp scenarios aswell as in woe/pvp , in pvm asura monks severly fall behind.

However i think its quite unessacary to shut down a monk for a whole 10 seconds on all of his abilitys making him dead weight as best, after one single burst damage.

About the easy sp regen by woe pots, correct however every class has this option not only monks, that makes other skills like bowling bash way more powerful that they already to begin with under renewal mechanics, beside that the shouldnt have been in the game to begin with at this stage of the server.

So it still stands for me :

CD on Asura for 10 seconds yes why not (20 seconds are actually still reasonable)

CD on Sp regeneration completly for 10 seconds... not so much, there is no reason to remove all defensive,evasive and supportive ability a monk have i would see

It's just the fixed version of what it was originally supposed to be. 

Original version = no natural regen when sp items were rare / bypassed by relogging

New version = no regen at all, not bypassed by relogging. 

It's just the fixed version of what it was originally supposed to be. 

 

Original version = no natural regen when sp items were rare / bypassed by relogging

 

New version = no regen at all, not bypassed by relogging. 

Not trolling, but why do you say SP items are not rare? not everyone donates. Some people have to get sp items on their own while gearing up their character. Asura is still the most expensive skill to use

Edited by iamSMOKIE, 12 October 2017 - 12:37 PM.

It may sound similiar but is essential a very different thing, not beeing able to bypass anything be relogging, good should stay that way for sure

No regen at all however is a completly different thing. Here it comes down to the question is sp recovery now to easy in general, or just for monks? Sp Cost of skills and thier useage isnt an issue for any class atm, there were times when a empty sp bar meant actually something a sin had actually to think about it, if he want to dring a precious blue potion to grimmtooth 2 minutes more, or switch to 1:1 pvm again ,same with wizzards sp empty ... means to things either "oh my gosh what is this SP song build!?"  or "Well... time to sit again guys" now its more like "Well whatever still got 200 blues, good to go for another 3 hours" and dont let us start about Knights... thier sp cost are extreme for 2 Hand quicken given thier Sp pool and very right soo, Bowling bash is a whole different story on its on but still comes down to " Ha... still got 300 blues ...BB all the things."  The one and only class that gets denied is Monk and there is really no reason why.

Edit : Btw ... natural Sp recovery meant something back than too, you had to make a choice if you pack in more potions and deny yourself 'free' sp or if you just aim for your 49% weight in a micromanagement way to make sure you have everything you need but still able to regen sp, now with Weight Limit for everyone and sp pots ... no one things twice in some scenarios if to go for 89% weight is a reasonable thing to do... basicly bypassing the natural sp recovery lockdown making it meaningless

Edited by RealGarion, 12 October 2017 - 12:43 PM.

Not trolling, but why do you say SP items are not rare? not everyone donates. Some people have to get sp items on their own while gearing up their character. Asura is still the most expensive skill to use

Because they can farm zeny to buy silvervine..... Any NPC provision of SP items is unlimited. 

Because they can farm zeny to buy silvervine..... Any NPC provision of SP items is unlimited. 

Silvervine went up to 500k+ per 100 box. Just because its unlimited it doesn't mean its free. You're just a troll, you should really just leave the topic. You're obviously trying to stir something up, you gave your opinion and your vote. Now its time to let others share their opinion instead of your constant negativeness on the subject. Going by other posts, especially woe posts. You're known for stiring things up.

Silvervine went up to 500k+ per 100 box. Just because its unlimited it doesn't mean its free. You're just a troll, you should really just leave the topic. You're obviously trying to stir something up, you gave your opinion and your vote. Now its time to let others share their opinion instead of your constant negativeness on the subject. Going by other posts, especially woe posts. You're known for stiring things up.

 
Discussions go two ways sir. 
 
Just because the price of silvervine went up doesn't mean it's not unlimited. 
 
Maybe if you didn't call everyone who disagrees with you a troll you'd actually be able to make some progress and get this looked at seriously. 
Try again without the ad Hominem.

Silvervine went up to 500k+ per 100 box. Just because its unlimited it doesn't mean its free. You're just a troll, you should really just leave the topic. You're obviously trying to stir something up, you gave your opinion and your vote. Now its time to let others share their opinion instead of your constant negativeness on the subject. Going by other posts, especially woe posts. You're known for stiring things up.

Chill , really getting angry and fired up about this is not worth it. Xellie has the right to state her opinion against this and defend it as everyone else, same goes for the pro site no need to demand anyone to leave a topic, its a discussion . Discussion by nature leads to different opinions on the matter, the goal is to pull people to your site with reasonable arguments... not to kick them out.

Chill , really getting angry and fired up about this is not worth it. Xellie has the right to state her opinion against this and defend it as everyone else, same goes for the pro site no need to demand anyone to leave a topic, its a discussion . Discussion by nature leads to different opinions on the matter, the goal is to pull people to your site with reasonable arguments... not to kick them out.

Yes "Reasonable" arguments. People looked at the topic and didnt bother to read what i said, saying it was already discussed. It would be nice to get the delay down from 10 seconds, but it would be nice to be able to at least get the sp regen aspect of it gone. People are obviously scared of monks getting stronger but it would be barely by a bit. Being able to regen sp, summon spirits and fury, would give monks more of a edge to be ready for the next asura. Im really honestly open to reasonable debate but not with people who are just one sided. If you're one sided then fine, leave your opinion and move on, quit trying to drag the topic down

Edited by iamSMOKIE, 12 October 2017 - 01:10 PM.

As stated before i am pretty much against the SP lockdown on monks and pretty much for the Asura CD ,i even think a pure Asura CD could be increased to 20 seconds if the sp was able to regen by items for that time. =)

nobody said it was fair. It's about balance.

 

Also comparing knights and sins lol

I wouldn't compare balance in pvm to balance in woe. 

I see you know how to have a reasonable debate with no name-calling. Come back to me when you learn to read and/or be civil. I can deal with you not grasping the point if you can be civil about it. 

No, I just have a different opinion to you. If you wanted to be taken seriously you'd discuss the points bought up in a reasonable manner. 

 

That's how people get their suggestions considered. 

Because they can farm zeny to buy silvervine..... Any NPC provision of SP items is unlimited. 

 
Discussions go two ways sir. 
 
Just because the price of silvervine went up doesn't mean it's not unlimited. 
 
Maybe if you didn't call everyone who disagrees with you a troll you'd actually be able to make some progress and get this looked at seriously. 
Try again without the ad Hominem.

It's annoying to be debating with the same person, who obviously wants to stir things up.

The more you keep accusing me of wanting to "stir things up" the more I think you're the closed minded one. Think about the topic, not the person!

Honestly gfist feels like they can do more on this server with less (gear wise) so it seems fair that the big one shot skill should leave them open to being attacked (rather than snapping away)

The more you keep accusing me of wanting to "stir things up" the more I think you're the closed minded one. Think about the topic, not the person!

 

Honestly gfist feels like they can do more on this server with less (gear wise) so it seems fair that the big one shot skill should leave them open to being attacked (rather than snapping away)

I can agree on your second opinion.

there is no delay for using pots for nobody. also there is no delay in using these not rare blues for nobody. there is absolutely no reason to punish monks. you could pot all time since monks exist to bypass the 5-minute-reg-break. thats not new. bluepots were no factor for highlevel players even without woepots. woepots or crafted top10 blues doesnt matter. good woe monks had unlimited spstuff all time. so its just no argument.  i think you want to make all classes as weak as possible but your assa wont be better then. we talk again when assa-x is op and you defend it against everybody with the same lazy arguments. zZzzZ