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#26 Kadelia

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:34 AM

Woops was clicking Reply and gave you a +1, but it takes over Kunai Element. That's why its popular to use Fire Kunai + Earth Charms on Earth Property monsters.

Throw kunai always uses the element of the equipped kunai. Exploding kunai, however, always uses your endow. You can use 9 earth charms instead of 10 to get an attack boost and still do fire property damage (or neutral) with exploding kunai, using either fire converters/endow (or nothing).

Edited by Jaye, 08 February 2013 - 08:35 AM.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:06 AM

shuriken might be better but only against big sized, the rest modifiers are same as dagger

Last I checked, Huuma is 100%, 75%, 75% in the size mods from large to small, while Dagger is 50%, 75%, 100% in those respective categories.

So yeah, if:
- you fight large mobs... get Huuma.
- you fight small mobs... get Daggers.
- you fight medium sized mobs... doesn't matter much since they have the same mods.

It's all about knowing what you will be up against and preparing accordingly.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:20 AM

Since we're comparing huumas vs. daggers, I have a question.

On permeters, which are medium and neutral 2, with two neutral element daggers I do around 5.8~6.2k. The total attack is 139+373.

However on permeters with a +4 Huuma Blaze Shuriken (139+266) I do around 6.7k.

Why is it that the Huuma does more damage?

Note: I'm using 9 earth spirits, so none of the weapons are of the Earth element.

Also for Kunai Throw, and the aoes, would it just then be better to +9 the Huuma, or get two +9 Grimtooths with ranged enchantments?

Edited by IsisThump, 08 February 2013 - 11:21 AM.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

Since we're comparing huumas vs. daggers, I have a question.

On permeters, which are medium and neutral 2, with two neutral element daggers I do around 5.8~6.2k. The total attack is 139+373.

However on permeters with a +4 Huuma Blaze Shuriken (139+266) I do around 6.7k.

Why is it that the Huuma does more damage?

Note: I'm using 9 earth spirits, so none of the weapons are of the Earth element.

Also for Kunai Throw, and the aoes, would it just then be better to +9 the Huuma, or get two +9 Grimtooths with ranged enchantments?


+9 Grimtooth Expert Archer 4 Expert Archer 4 / Triple Glamorous Boned Main Gauge
Would be your best damage against Permeter & Solider.

The attack from the off hand weapon only applies to auto attacks not skills.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:43 PM

+9 Grimtooth Expert Archer 4 Expert Archer 4 / Triple Glamorous Boned Main Gauge
Would be your best damage against Permeter & Solider.

The attack from the off hand weapon only applies to auto attacks not skills.

Oh that's so wack -_-

So the increased attack doesn't affect skills, but racial cards affect skills?

Does it also apply to daggers with matk? (a.k.a. Exploding Dragon won't use the matk from the off-hand in it's formula?)
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:49 PM

Oh that's so wack -_-

So the increased attack doesn't affect skills, but racial cards affect skills?

Does it also apply to daggers with matk? (a.k.a. Exploding Dragon won't use the matk from the off-hand in it's formula?)


Edit: Test it out use Exploding Dragon with a weapon in off hand, but not in main hand then use Exploding Dragon without any weapon and see if the damage changes.

Edited by Riakuta, 08 February 2013 - 01:50 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:43 PM

http://db.irowiki.or...tem-info/13010/

http://db.irowiki.or...tem-info/13302/

dagger/shuriken examples, can see the size mods there, unless the DB is wrong
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:46 PM

Hm I was testing it, and wouldn't a x4 AS Main Gauche be better as an off-hand weapon? I went from 21k to 29k on Soliders, and having x4 AS MG would be much more general than having an MG for every monster type and size :P
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:54 PM

Hm I was testing it, and wouldn't a x4 AS Main Gauche be better as an off-hand weapon? I went from 21k to 29k on Soliders, and having x4 AS MG would be much more general than having an MG for every monster type and size :P


Well i just figured the size would be a lot cheaper, but yea Quadruple Kingbird Main Gauge FTW.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:59 PM

Well i just figured the size would be a lot cheaper, but yea Quadruple Kingbird Main Gauge FTW.

Size cards are wayyyyy to cheaper lol! 80M for x4 AS is crazy -_-! I'm just gonna go try to hunt some tomorrow lol c:

If not, oh well! :heh:
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

Proof of kunai splash not being ranged and thus not being affected by archer skeleton cards
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

Proof of kunai splash not being ranged and thus not being affected by archer skeleton cards
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Woops I was hung over on the wrong skill :P. I was thinking Kunai Explosion.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:08 PM

Woops I was hung over on the wrong skill :P. I was thinking Kunai Explosion.

Is Splash Kunai supposed to be melee or ranged? I mean its probably bugged or something right?
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:26 PM

Is Splash Kunai supposed to be melee or ranged? I mean its probably bugged or something right?


Anything that hits 4 cells and over except Magic is considered "Ranged" so I'm assuming for now Kunai Splash may be bugged or be based off the mechanics of Suicidal Destruction Physical AoE with enough range to be considered "Ranged", but counted as a Melee attack instead.
Just for kicks hopefully I can position this correctly, but here its "Ranged"

Edited by Riakuta, 08 February 2013 - 11:29 PM.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:27 AM

Proof of kunai splash not being ranged and thus not being affected by archer skeleton cards
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i might be missing something... but im not seeing "proof" of it being melee... i see 2 screen shots using the same weapon doing the same damage... if it was 2 different weapons in the screen shots that would be more proof... even on sakkray at 150 the damage from splash was kinda "meh"...
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:41 AM

i might be missing something... but im not seeing "proof" of it being melee... i see 2 screen shots using the same weapon doing the same damage... if it was 2 different weapons in the screen shots that would be more proof... even on sakkray at 150 the damage from splash was kinda "meh"...

It IS two different weapons. First one is quad Ice second is quad kingbird.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:42 AM

Anything that hits 4 cells and over except Magic is considered "Ranged" so I'm assuming for now Kunai Splash may be bugged or be based off the mechanics of Suicidal Destruction Physical AoE with enough range to be considered "Ranged", but counted as a Melee attack instead.
Just for kicks hopefully I can position this correctly, but here its "Ranged"

How far you can target the skill determines its ranged or melee fare. Because Kunai splash has a range of 0 (self targeted) it is melee :)
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:58 AM

So now im thoroughly confused. What weapons/cards are better for splash, and which are better for explosion?
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 08:25 AM

+9 Grimtooth Expert Archer 4 Expert Archer 4 / Triple Glamorous Boned Main Gauge
Would be your best damage against Permeter & Solider.

The attack from the off hand weapon only applies to auto attacks not skills.


The weapon on my Left hand does nothing for skills? Has it always been like this?

I was thinking of wearing Crescent Armguard but I was holding back on that though. Maybe it's worth it after all.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:09 AM

effects from cards or special weapons do, not just the atk of the weapon
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:56 AM

That's still pretty bad. iwas thinking of using a KvM Dagger+Ice Pick as one option against high def targets in PvP. Won't work well if one or the other has wasted atk.

I'll stick to KvM Dagger+Ck instead i guess.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:16 PM

That's still pretty bad. iwas thinking of using a KvM Dagger+Ice Pick as one option against high def targets in PvP. Won't work well if one or the other has wasted atk.

I'll stick to KvM Dagger+Ck instead i guess.

I think your mistake was planning to pvp x_x;
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:51 PM

So... you could use a powerful dagger and a 4xmalicious on the offhand and an earth deleter card and basically be invincible with kunai splash then, right?
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:20 PM

My kunai explosion just do less than 2k on low TI monster. Any idea about this ? I got 100 str and 60dex atm. Tried with dual dagger and shuriken but still sucks. I saw someone with eden dagger and MG in offhand can 1 shoot em all. Help me T_T
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:24 PM

My kunai explosion just do less than 2k on low TI monster. Any idea about this ? I got 100 str and 60dex atm. Tried with dual dagger and shuriken but still sucks. I saw someone with eden dagger and MG in offhand can 1 shoot em all. Help me T_T

Is it level 5 Exploding Kunai? >_>;
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