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#1 DrAzzy

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:06 AM

Use this topic for general Q/A and discussion about Kagerou/Oboro Kunai builds.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:40 AM

Are they going to nerf Rapid Throw?
What is the best weap combo for Final Strike build?
What stats for Final Strike build?
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:00 AM

Rapid throw is definitely being nerfed for non-Kag/Obo classes.

Not sure about final strike. Damage formula is known though.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:13 AM

I was thinking that +9~14 Glorious Gladius + Quad Bloody Main Gauge/Quad Kingbrid Main Gauge would be the best damage for Killing Strike, but I still don't have the skill or weapon to test it out with. Sorry, but I don't feel like testing it out on Sakray either, but it is food for thought if someone wishes to test it out themselves.

As far as stats are concerned high Str and Vit.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:47 AM

The process for testing Final Strike is terribly simple, since we know the basic format of the formula.

Really, we just need to test what parts of the damage are effected by +% cards, and what parts are effected by +% ranged damage (should be the whole thing), and whether the ATK portion is well behaved (it's 40*atk according to the wiki - not sure if this is accurate though - i thought it was 40*str)... Also, it's not clear to me how it interacts with mirror image.

But the tests to figuring out final strike are terribly simple, once you have a properly skilled ninja. I will see if my female ninja can get it tonight, since a million and one people have asked me about it.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:52 PM

have a question, how can i use Illusion-Shadow skill? i tried to use it but no shinobbi apear, is there a bug or i need an items to summon it?
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:01 AM

the skill is broken atm you cant use it :p_sleep:
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:36 AM

Should I bother getting Dried Squids? The current TI for 101 is Loli Ruri and I do terrible damage with an elemental kunai and I don't want to ask a Priest for Aspersio every time it runs out. Even though it's maintenance today and the TIs will change.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:15 PM

Good, Bad, or Ugly you decide:
Level: 103/13

100 Str
5 Agi
50 Vit
60 Int
58 Dex
5 Luk

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Equipment:

Upper Headgear: Witch's Pumkin Hat
Middle Headgear: Alarm Mask, Gozarian Mask
Lower Headgear: Alarm Mask, Gozarian Mask
Armor: Glorious Suit, +7 Glittering Jacket of Ifrit
Weapon: +7 Combat Knife Spell 4 Spell 4, (Borrowed) +7 Grimtooh Agi +2, Sharp 3
Shield: +10 Quadruple Windy Main Gauge, +10 Quadruple Saharic Main Gauge, +10 Triple Underneath Main Gauge, +10 Quadruple Flammable Main Gauge, Quadruple Bloody Main Gauge, Quadruple Kingbird Main Gauge
Garment: +9 Heroic Backpack
Shoes: Shackles
Accessory: Bloodied Shackle Ball, Teleport Clip, Chambered RWC 2012 Ring Str +1 Fighting Spirit 2 Fighting Spirit 2
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:21 PM

Wouldn't a 2x EA enchanted grimtooth be a more appropriate weapon?
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

Wouldn't a 2x EA enchanted grimtooth be a more appropriate weapon?


I'd rather not spend my money on a weapon that isn't mine :P. Haven't seen a decent priced Grimtooth on sell since Kagerou came out.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:03 AM

Hi which skill is better to used with kunai explosion: swirling petals or kunai splash? Cant decide which skill should i take. Just maxed out distorted cresent and explosion

Edited by gicko, 13 February 2013 - 04:05 AM.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:06 AM

I'm not sure if the description for Grimtooth is correct, but I don't see anything spectacular about this weapon.

Decreases all defenses applied to its owner by half.
Flee Rate + 10
Perfect Dodge + 5

Why is the Grimtooth good for K/O?
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:41 AM

Highest attack dagger they can wear and malangdo enchantable to boot
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:49 AM

Hi which skill is better to used with kunai explosion: swirling petals or kunai splash? Cant decide which skill should i take. Just maxed out distorted cresent and explosion


Swirling Petal or Kunai Explosion.

Edited by Riakuta, 13 February 2013 - 10:49 AM.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:40 PM

For a Kagerou (for whom it seems a physical build, or physical/magic hybrid build, seems to be the thing) I would like to get some advice on how to start it up. It's still stuck in an old build (9x STR, 9x VIT, 3x DEX), although I do have my free reset still left over. I think it also has no Throw Huuma Shuriken skill and maxed out Killing Stroke (just cause I was throwing points in places). Dagger Throwing Practice is at lvl8, and it has maxed Throw Kunai.

1. If I used my reset, what advice do you have for me other than converting some of that VIT into DEX? Should I get rid of Killing Stroke and just put the points into Dagger Throwing Practice and Throw Huuma Shuriken (for Swirling Petals) instead? Any other suggestions?

2. What would be good start-up skills to get first? I'm assuming Charm-Earth and Kunai Explosion just to kick it off? Should I bother getting Swirling Petals early or wait until I have the supportive stuff like 16th Night/Pure Soul? My current plan is: Charm-Earth --> Kunai Explosion 5 --> 16th Night 5 --> Pure Soul 5. Does that seem good?

EDIT: Btw, how well does Kunai Explosion hit? Is its accuracy affected by the DEX stat? For example, Throw Kunai was DEX independent and was a guaranteed hit---is Kunai Explosion the same, or does it depend on how much DEX/HIT you have?

Edited by pikachiquita5, 13 February 2013 - 03:32 PM.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:31 PM

Swirling Petal or Kunai Explosion.

I guess i misinterpret you sorry, what is im askin, which skill is better to be used with explosion. Kunai Splash or Swirling petal?
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:39 PM

EDIT: Btw, how well does Kunai Explosion hit? Is its accuracy affected by the DEX stat? For example, Throw Kunai was DEX independent and was a guaranteed hit---is Kunai Explosion the same, or does it depend on how much DEX/HIT you have?


Kunai Explosion cannot miss except on Ghost Property monsters.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:50 PM

kunai splash blows dont get it, i tried it to see why ppl were ditching it, and i saw they were right. its weak and lot of weight issues
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 04:56 PM

By the way is the Earth Talismans with corresponding skill is boosting Final Strike damage?
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:25 PM

This.
Spoiler

Top: Throw Kunai on Sala
Bottom: Kunai Explosion on Rake Horn Scarab
No MvP, No Gods

Edited by magiccircle, 14 February 2013 - 06:26 PM.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:28 PM

This.

Spoiler

Top: Throw Kunai on Sala
Bottom: Kunai Explosion on Rake Horn Scarab
No MvP, No Gods


I'm guessing Fire Property Endow, +20 Str Food, +20 Dex Food, Vip Bonus, Grimtooth Expert Archer 5 Expert Archer 4, Quadruple Kingbird Main Gauge, +9 Heroic Backpack, and 9 Earth Charms.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:28 PM

What weapons yous using there bro?
Can't see in the screenie....
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:25 PM

For Kunai Explosion, is it important to go for the R and L hand masteries, or are they not important?

Also, do people usually just stick with Kunai Explosion ONLY, or do they have anything else (i.e. Swirling Petals) as a backup sort of attack? Or are all of them pretty distinct and you just pick ONLY K.Explosion, or ONLY Swirling Petals?

I thought about building for both, but if you pretty much stick to only one attack and never use anything else, I suppose I shouldn't even bother getting the prereq for Swirling Petals.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:39 AM

You could build for both, but you'd be stuck using a huuma instead of dagger+shield.
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