or give me a few reasons why it should stay.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:45 PM
remove debuff.
or give me a few reasons why it should stay.
Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:54 PM
If Mages were given a couple decent passives and all the damage skills were set back to being reliable they wouldn't have to rely on debuff so much...
Edited by AppleStrudel, 09 April 2013 - 10:54 PM.
Posted 10 April 2013 - 07:00 AM
remove debuff.
or give me a few reasons why it should stay.
Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:29 AM
you give us a few reasons why not
Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:20 AM
you give us a few reasons why not
It was not there before and I don't remember anyone asking for it to be implemented, it ruins the mage class, people mostly play mage only for those skills, nothing else. It's just m speed set>debuff>die>start again. Not to mention the effect it has during TG wars, some are so "pro" they just spend their time running away from others waiting for their mage to debuff the opponents, and then turn back to attack once they have no more buffs lol, so hardcore yeah.
I'll admit mages need some tweaking, but those debuffs are not what make them good or not.
sounds like a ideayes everything in the game should be spoonfed to you imbecile. How about an instant level to 230 coupon and full honor set upon new toon creation?
Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:15 PM
Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:36 PM
This is why----
+ it doesn't has a benefit in PvP or PvM it's just debuff-->die --> respawn--> do all over...
sounds like a idea
(seems like we have a debuff freak here.)
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:00 PM
Debuff harassment.
Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:44 PM
Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:58 PM
Giving mages debuff in my opinion gives them reason to exist if any.... at least until they eventually give them more of a purpose in PVP. Even the best built mages are a bit useless in my opinion when it comes to PVP other than running in first and debuffing people. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it is not a valuable to mages or the game. I think maybe what you could be looking for rather than deleting it all together would maybe a skill or buff that could lower the chances even more of you getting debuffed? Something to balance it a bit more? I myself don't find it imbalanced but maybe you do? Do tell more.
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:12 AM
Sorry but I have to disagree with your post, TBH I actually find it weird comming from a mod. Giving them a reason ? Mages being used only for that reason is exactly the problem. Also I have seen mages do pretty well in 1v1 pvps, they are good when they only have 1 target to handle, but yes wars is another story.
Valuable ? The 100% sleep skill they had was valuable, the ones who debuff don't do it because it is valuable to the game, it's just because it's an easy way to ruin a tg war, some of the debuffers even say they want it gone, and all of them complain when they get debuffed themselves. If that skill made mages so valuable maybe they would be played as main characters a bit more but it's not the case.
So again, yes mages need some tweaks, but there was a time where they were good, and didn't have any debuff.
Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:53 AM
In a PVP both the players get full buff or self buff, now why would the Mages opponent buff himself when the mage is going to debuff him?, in pvp no Debuffs, but most mages keep on running and debuffing everyone.Giving mages debuff in my opinion gives them reason to exist if any.... at least until they eventually give them more of a purpose in PVP. Even the best built mages are a bit useless in my opinion when it comes to PVP other than running in first and debuffing people. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it is not a valuable to mages or the game. I think maybe what you could be looking for rather than deleting it all together would maybe a skill or buff that could lower the chances even more of you getting debuffed? Something to balance it a bit more? I myself don't find it imbalanced but maybe you do? Do tell more.
Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:04 AM
Why is it weird coming from a mod? I'm a player just like you, so my opinions vary for different things. I am a mod, yes... does that mean I like or think every aspect of this game is 100% and working in the best ways, or fully finished, or built to perfection? Of course not, I'm quite sure other mods and even GM's could agree things in Rose needs balanced and fixed, that is why throughout the summer they are doing more class balancing, etc. I simply don't think Mages are very affective in PVP, other than debuffing at this point of time.
You kind of scatter in what you are saying, you are talking of mages "there was a time" (in the past), as if its the same now... it isn't. Mages at this moment are useful with debuffs, that is about it in my opinion. I personally as a non-mage player, I dislike debuffing just as much as the next guy.... but that doesn't mean because I dislike it, that it should be removed. Maybe if they give mages a better pvp aspect when doing these class balancing overall, then at that time we should consider getting rid of debuffs. Until that happens, I don't think there is any fun in mages other than running around debuffing people (which in my personal opinion is boring, but obviously debuffers find it fun).
Edited by Metaleux, 11 April 2013 - 01:28 AM.
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