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#26 killedbytofu

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:13 AM

If you leave it on the ground long enough for someone else to loot it, that's your fault, not at all the fault of people having access to greed.


wut? you do realize there are other modes of share other then Each Take right?


a good party leader either will make split profit over the good item


ive never seen this happen in the history of ragnarok online existing outside of a guild dungeon run.



Also, removing Greed from the HBP which is a KP item is unfair for those who burn real money or save up zeny for months just to get it.



yea because you know, HBP totally doesnt have any stat bonuses or anything on it that make it incredible powerful................... :p_sleep:

'wah my god item only has 6 buffs on it! i want 7! its not fair! stahp trying to nerf me itenz!'
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:19 AM

Lol i just remembered this GX from DarkenSouls, joins our party (the biolab monster that drops RT and some Salamander) back then. He just greeds the <_< out of every kill and literally does nothing. GX is pretty much one of the unwanted class in a TI and from what he did he just got booted first 5mins of the run :heh:


its seems to always be the AX or GX that is greeding everything. ive seen priests do it too though. some dumb **** priest in one of my parties was letting people die because she was too busy trying to greed loot to heal. we kicked her out after she wiped us all trying to greed a crappy card not even worth 100k. i RARELY see players use it at appropriate times and since its such a common item, its become a problem. if the HBP was more rare, then i wouldnt have a problem with a couple players in the game being able to greed, but when theres almost always someone in party stealing loot from everyone else, then its just plain annoying.

to those saying 'save up': its robbing new players of being able to make money to buy a HBP in the first place
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:10 AM

yea because you know, HBP totally doesnt have any stat bonuses or anything on it that make it incredible powerful................... :p_sleep:

'wah my god item only has 6 buffs on it! i want 7! its not fair! stahp trying to nerf me itenz!'



Someone is trolling for attention on the forums. Oh no!


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#29 QuarterBlotter

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:11 AM

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#30 Javsy

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:25 AM

HBP being owned by rich ppl and them getting richer


That is what you call investment. You can't expect poor people to get rich instantly, as of course they don't have the same amount of resource (money) to generate more income. Same goes in real-life business.

Welcome to a world ruled by capitalism my friend. Forcing rich people to be oppressed is already considered communism.

You can't really blame rich people being rich. They worked for their stature that is why they deserve it.

You just need to play your cards right and you'll get there sooner or later.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm also poor. :P
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:45 AM

No. I do not want to go back to the days of picking loot one by one. Ironically I loot when I solo, but not much when I was in parties. I prioritized my duties in parties rather than greed but that's just me.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:50 AM

I literally never use the Greed part of my backpack unless I'm on an ET run where I'll be selling the loot. During turn ins, if I'm on one of my more undesired classes I'm focused on doing what little I can for the party, and if I'm on a character that gets into parties quick I'm more focused on doing my job properly.

It just makes no sense to take it away since it was one of the biggest reasons people bought it. Taking that away from an item that costs $ to get...

Edited by Alaska, 09 May 2013 - 03:51 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:04 AM

I paid money for HBP to have the Greed effect. If they take it away from me I'm going to be so done with this game. -___- Nerfs after nerfs. There was a time I was leading a mid TI party and a lot of people were greeding, it was such an easy TI that I could even solo it with mediocre gears. While I was wearing my HBP I wasn't able to greed as much but didn't mind my party people do. Some people rage quit in the middle as they can't stand the greeding. Too bad for them we still manage to finish the TI in 15 minutes and I was the one providing Gwings. What peeves me off even more was I did stated I am going to provide Gwing, and I will be popping BM. Yet people just leave party in the middle just because of the greeding.

Since then I lost my interest to be a sponsor of Gwing to random people/ party because people are just never grateful for what good things they are already getting. Who cares if the members are greeding so long the TI gets done? I have never been uptight over someone getting like 2 or more AK cards in my party while I got none, and was doing most of the killing. In TI you ARE in a random party with strangers, chances are people don't share loots nor profit. My main goal for TIs are often just to level and get my counts. If I want to get rich I can always do it separately and that's all fine by me. And I am fine with others getting rich in their own ways. I don't get why people are always complaining really. Just deal with it. :I

If the greeder in the party doesn't help with killing/ supporting at all, then yes I'd just boot them out. But don't just get uptight if the party is greeding a lot. There was even a few times I went into TI just to greed on my AB, people kept trying to invite me and I refused it all. Until people were 'begging'... I gave in but wanted to greed. Then people got mad at me greeding. o_O "I was like well I am here to greed and not going for counts, ima leave party now then and just continue with my own farming." And they are left without AB again. It wasn't like I didn't help with buffing or healing.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:39 AM

This topic is stupid
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:53 AM

I have greed as a default Mech skill, but for some reason I'm not using it.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 07:44 AM

I managed to greed over 50 Orleans Gowns during banshee TI week :p_love:
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:38 AM

This argument that Greed slows down parties is actually pretty stupid. Even without Greed, what's to stop all our support classes and killers from going to go pick up loots one by one? I'd rather they all Greed their loots than take all day to manually pick up everything they need. If you don't like people stopping all their work to pick up loots, kick them from the party. Simple as that. They're the same as an AFKer who doesn't do anything in the party. Why would they be necessary to have?
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:30 AM

That is what you call investment. You can't expect poor people to get rich instantly, as of course they don't have the same amount of resource (money) to generate more income. Same goes in real-life business.

Welcome to a world ruled by capitalism my friend. Forcing rich people to be oppressed is already considered communism.

You can't really blame rich people being rich. They worked for their stature that is why they deserve it.

You just need to play your cards right and you'll get there sooner or later.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm also poor. :P


we play video games to escape the real world, not to simulate them. the entire point of escapism is to have fun. how is being forced into oppression and suffering from poverty fun? Koreans try to incorporate their countries mentallity that you must slave and work hard to do anything, into their video games, and it is the reason that their games never do well overseas. people dont want to have to slave over every single thing they do in a game. its a game. its supposed to be fun. dont get me wrong. i love ragnarok, but there are many aspects of this game that just make me facepalm when i see that theyre trying to make a slave grind out of everything (such as the potion making system)

most rpgs out there dont put so much focus on currency so that all players can enjoy all aspects of the game, while still allowing those that put in the hard work to excell and have an easier time at things (like it should be). im all for rewarding hard work, dedication, and time put in. im not for this retarded classism that this game is suffering from now and the massive gap in pricing that makes it impossible for new players to ever break into the market to buy important items they need, even if they put in hard work, time, and dedication. theyve made it so that only old players can compete in anything anymore unless by some fluke new players get handed free stuff or given a break to go into ET and receive shares of the loot profits. i NEVER had this hard of a time breaking into the market or gearing up when i first started this game 10 years ago. things have changed for the worse, and with gravity limiting items and abusing the KP shop, its only getting worse

i will say however that implementing things like the Mora quests for gear was a great step in the right direction for this game. unfortunately it just wasnt enough, due to the gear only being for a few classes and not all of it even being useful


It just makes no sense to take it away since it was one of the biggest reasons people bought it. Taking that away from an item that costs $ to get...



I paid money for HBP to have the Greed effect. If they take it away from me I'm going to be so done with this game. -___-


you guys are being so overdramatic. youre acting as if the item doesnt give godly buffs (like i said earlier. its a HUGE difference in damage and what seperates the new players from the rich). its already overpowered as hell, and some might even argue that the buffs are neccessary to do high end content. losing greed wouldnt even be noticable. so what, you have to pickup your loot like the rest of the game. big deal. the rest of us have to do it. or as so many people on these forums love to say: 'youre being spoonfed'

they dont sell HBP directly for a reason. its overpowered. if they offered HBP's as a KP item...damn. although it might actually balance things out in this game a little better, so who knows

Edited by killedbytofu, 09 May 2013 - 09:41 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:34 AM

Any gear with any effect is overpowered because it's better than no gear! Ban all gear.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:38 AM

So that's why we can't have nice things..
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:42 AM

you guys are being so overdramatic. youre acting as if the item doesnt give godly buffs (like i said earlier. its a HUGE difference in damage and what seperates the new players from the rich). its already overpowered as hell, and some might even argue that the buffs are neccessary to do high end content (which brings me to my point again lol). losing greed wouldnt even be noticable. so what, you have to pickup your loot like the rest of the game. big deal. the rest of us have to do it. or as so many people on these forums love to say: 'youre being spoonfed'

they dont sell HBP directly for a reason. its overpowered. if they offered HBP's as a KP item...damn. although it might actually balance things out in this game a little better, so who knows


You're really not one to talk about being over-dramatic. The fact is people played real cash for it, and it should not be changed because a few people don't like it (or can't afford it?), that's not fair. Should it have had the Greed skill appended to it initially? That's debatable, but the fact is many people bought it for that very reason. If you have a problem with people Greeding in parties, well guess what: no one's forcing you to play with them. If it really pisses you that off that much, then make the effort to make your own parties so you can kick whoever the hell you want. If you're not willing to do that, then obviously it doesn't bother you that much. I seriously don't understand what the problem is with greeders as long as they're doing their job in the party.

And it seems like you like to pick and choose what parts of posts you want to read... I clearly stated I don't use it for the Greed skill, it being taken away would really make no personal difference to me, but that doesn't make it fair, does it?

Edited by Alaska, 09 May 2013 - 09:45 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:46 AM

You're really not one to talk about being over-dramatic. The fact is people played real cash for it, and it should not be changed because a few people don't like it (or can't afford it?), that's not fair. Should it have had the Green skill appended to it initially? That's debatable, but the fact is many people bought it for that very reason. If you have a problem with people Greeding in parties, well guess what: no one's forcing you to play with them. If it really pisses you that off that much, then make the effort to make your own parties so you can kick whoever the hell you want. If you're not willing to do that, then obviously it doesn't bother you that much. I seriously don't understand what the problem is with Greeders as long as they're doing their job in the party.

And it seems like you like to pick and choose what parts of posts you want to read... I clearly stated I don't use it for the Greed skill, it being taken away would really make no personal difference to me, but that doesn't make it fair, does it?


im not the one who started the thread. it wasnt a big enough problem with me to start a debate about, but alas, here is the thread, so why not put in my 2cents.


im just pointing out the fact that people are acting like babies at even the mention of the idea of removing the Greed spell. its such a nonimportant buff compared to the other 6 buffs that the backpack gives, that its almost laughable at how defensive people are getting over it in this thread.

Edited by killedbytofu, 09 May 2013 - 09:47 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:46 AM

The one I had I pretty much ONLY used for the greed skill since there is better alternative gear on pretty much all the classes i play... lmao
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:48 AM

I think you put in like twenty cents.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:48 AM

It's an important issue because it required real cash to get. Nerfing items that can be attained via in-game means is one thing, nerfing items paid with cash is another.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:49 AM

The one I had I pretty much ONLY used for the greed skill since there is better alternative gear on pretty much all the classes i play... lmao


thats because youre the master of soul linkers lol


I think you put in like twenty cents.


i loled :heh:

Edited by killedbytofu, 09 May 2013 - 09:50 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:51 AM

Soul linker/scholar/sura all have better alternatives than a backpack... although snap + greed is p awesome just for gathering stuff laying around left by parties
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:58 AM

just -_-ing stop posting and just let him talk to himself alone... let him killed by his own -_-ing tofu/words...
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:03 AM

i loled :heh:


Hehehehehe.

You make some good points, but I vote no nerf!
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:18 AM

im just pointing out the fact that people are acting like babies at even the mention of the idea of removing the Greed spell. its such a nonimportant buff compared to the other 6 buffs that the backpack gives, that its almost laughable at how defensive people are getting over it in this thread.


Oh the IRONY... killedbytofu, I think you need a break from the forums because you continue to contradict yourself.
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