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[FiskBlack]

Oh god PLEASE do, it just proves you know NOTHING of how to play. The HIT is forced neutral, the damage modifiers for elemental damages are calculated BEFORE the hit though. Ghost cannon on GR = pain, add a DR to that too and then it becomes major pain.


Only for higher level ghost property that is immune to neutral attacks, lower levels still get hit more since ghost property hurts ghost more.



If your genetic can reach instant cast with 30 DEX because of your gears your sorc should be instant cast with a ventus and you can stop complaining. with 130 total DEX and 130ish total INT 20% reducts from sprint rings and 9% from a +9 hat of caster genetics STILL have ~1-15 seconds cast time on cannon, more than enough that anyone can walk up and just smack em as they try to cast to stop them. Also, you don't care that DB ( which does a HELL of a lot more damage ) ignores reducs o.O.... maybe you should go see a neurological specialist or something....

I don't see why a moderator didn't banned you yet, anyways i will lol very hard when the genetic balance got implemented, you are the one who seem to know everything about RO anyways is normal considering you main a genetic, well don't be afraid the balance will be good for you, same as RG's i really don't care much about it since i almost don't play anymore, but your post was the most stupidicy ignorant and offensive i read in the whole thread. Letting you know!

[meoryou2]

I don't see why a moderator didn't banned you yet, anyways i will lol very hard when the genetic balance got implemented, you are the one who seem to know everything about RO anyways is normal considering you main a genetic, well don't be afraid the balance will be good for you, same as RG's i really don't care much about it since i almost don't play anymore, but your post was the most stupidicy ignorant and offensive i read in the whole thread. Letting you know!

Why a mod hasn't banned me? Maybe because correcting a rabid fool repeatedly isn't a bannable offense.

As for knowing all about RO, DUH it is really not THAT complicated a game when you get right down to it, even with renewal not all that much has changed since BETA days. Almost all the new forced neutral skills take damage mods for elemental / race into effect in the damage calcs. As for the rest I don't care, my genetic is 150.... I have nothing to prove since I leveled as fast or faster than a god item dripping player while wearing "crap" gears because I know how to play this game.


Oh, and by the way haven't read your own posts eh? Between you and mephisto blathering on and on just proving the old addage " Better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and prove it to the world". Not that it doesn't look like you and mephisto are the same person just login juggeling anyways. Go ahead, cry to a mod, they can tell you to STFU since I have done absolutely nothing wrong.

[Kadelia]

I don't see why a moderator didn't banned you yet, anyways i will lol very hard when the genetic balance got implemented, you are the one who seem to know everything about RO anyways is normal considering you main a genetic, well don't be afraid the balance will be good for you, same as RG's i really don't care much about it since i almost don't play anymore, but your post was the most stupidicy ignorant and offensive i read in the whole thread. Letting you know!

Since when is being right a bannable offense? I hate liberal ideology that if people aren't nice to each other they've done something wrong. You have no god-given right to be talked to with kiddie gloves like you're 5 years old your whole life. Whoever coddled you into thinking that did you a major disservice. Grow a spine. People talking harshly to you when you act foolish and project ignorant words is society's way of telling you to be a listener and not a speaker. Because you obviously haven't done enough of the former before formulating your ideas.

Your whole post also reeks as ignorant warfare against something you consider unfair because players may be better than you. this is again, where you switch to listener mode, and you learn from other people why things are the way they are, and how you can deal with them. Genetic was NOT overpowered. God items' non-linear influence on Genetic IS. Because of this, many genetics on Ymir/valk are stacked with god items. Anyone with god items is going to trump you. This class appears to be particularly good with them. Your ignorant babble about what is good for the class helps nobody and is deep rooted with your self-centered notion that its good for you. I strongly advise you learn and listen more before trying to take center stage in debates. Nobody likes fighting an unarmed opponent.

More people really should be analyzing the differences between Yggdrasil and Valkyrie and Ymir WoE climates to see how the 3rd classes are balanced with no god items, a normal number of god items, and an unnaturally imbalanced number of god items affect 3rd class balance. Similar in respect to MVP/GR/DR cards for those servers.

Genetic is 100% balanced on yggdrasil as-is.

Edited by Jaye, 27 September 2011 - 05:11 AM.

[Inubashiri]

._. c'mon guys and gals cut it out

[FiskBlack]

Well most of you actually said is true, but even witouth god items the damage can be sickly high, and god items doesnt affect hell plant damage. Duh i didn't mean to say genetics are different from valk/ygg or ymir, the difference between servers are population and economy, and of course ammount of god items/mvp cards. i'm not trying to do anything, you just said by yourself to think in other servers as i do, now you think about the other ones right? I dont like fighting wait fighting? i guess typing mean "fight" for you... of course less in a forum, is just a waste of time i just wanted to advice meryou2 that he was an annoying kid that can't deal with the other users posts.

You take everthing in your post as a fact, everyone got different ways to think but it seems none of you cant stand on differents statements.

meryou2 i don't care what do you think lol genetics dont need god items to be overpowered. unlike other classes, but since you dont seem to have respect on another players, i honestly dont want to waste my time trying to explain you, i already posted the reasons genetics are umbalanced.. but you are the one who got "self-centered notion" same as Jaye.

I won't stfu, Deal with it?

._. c'mon guys and gals cut it out

Sigh... this guys are just "self-centered" and can't deal with other users statements, what we can do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDoFCJFAY_Q

[Kadelia]

Without god items (in particular mjolnir) or a VERY elaborate +DEX+INT setup, there is a VERY noticeable cast time on hell's plant and cart cannon. Like > 1 second. This throttles the DPS of both skills exponentially. With cast reduction gear and food both skills can be dangerous on Yggdrasil, but not in an overpowered way. All it takes is an AGI knight to melee the genetic to keep them from doing anything. The situation is very different with instant cast, which is quite common on Ymir. The class is extremely broken there. Because of this it should be apparent that all the skill needs is a portion of fixed casting so that god item users and people slaving battle chant, +20 foods, +10 foods, etc., aren't 5x better than other genetics DPS-wise. They'd only be 2x stronger instead. Huge difference.

[FiskBlack]

Without god items (in particular mjolnir) or a VERY elaborate +DEX+INT setup, there is a VERY noticeable cast time on hell's plant and cart cannon. Like > 1 second. This throttles the DPS of both skills exponentially. With cast reduction gear and food both skills can be dangerous on Yggdrasil, but not in an overpowered way. All it takes is an AGI knight to melee the genetic to keep them from doing anything. The situation is very different with instant cast, which is quite common on Ymir. The class is extremely broken there. Because of this it should be apparent that all the skill needs is a portion of fixed casting so that god item users and people slaving battle chant, +20 foods, +10 foods, etc., aren't 5x better than other genetics DPS-wise. They'd only be 2x stronger instead. Huge difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0QHw7iy1Rg

Also ymir is almost the same as valk, the only difference is that valk is supussed to have more supplies and ymir more god items,GR/DR/MvP cards.

[meoryou2]

blah blah blah random garbage spewed out to try and distract from valid points in previous posts



Sigh... this guys are just "self-centered" and can't deal with other users statements, what we can do? Look into a mirror after learning a little about this game and realize that YOU are the one acting like this when someone is practically smacking you upside the head with a clue-by-four on how to improve your fights against a genetic.

By the way, your English stinks, I really hope you are not a native speaker. As a secondary or tertiary language it is not horrible, but if it is the first language you learned... well don't thank your teachers. If english IS a second or third language slow down a bit, some of your calmer not insta-flame posts are readable.


As for your latter post, Ymir and Valk are no different... DUH. You have it a bit wrong though Valk has had more time to accumulate god items from having longer time with one guild / alliance dominating WoE to collect / make god items. Yeah Ymir has a lot as well but you have to remember Ymir is also FOUR servers together as well as being the very first server opened ( they just renamed chaos in the merger NOT deleted all and made a fresh server to merge into ) but Ymir also has the oldest playerbase as well. Given a bit of time Ygg will be no different.

[meoryou2]

Without god items (in particular mjolnir) or a VERY elaborate +DEX+INT setup, there is a VERY noticeable cast time on hell's plant and cart cannon. Like > 1 second. This throttles the DPS of both skills exponentially. With cast reduction gear and food both skills can be dangerous on Yggdrasil, but not in an overpowered way. All it takes is an AGI knight to melee the genetic to keep them from doing anything. The situation is very different with instant cast, which is quite common on Ymir. The class is extremely broken there. Because of this it should be apparent that all the skill needs is a portion of fixed casting so that god item users and people slaving battle chant, +20 foods, +10 foods, etc., aren't 5x better than other genetics DPS-wise. They'd only be 2x stronger instead. Huge difference.

Actually Genetics aren't really that broken on Ymir. Most, unless they have personal ones, don't get god items that often anymore in WoE. A hammer without a couple of bris / megs isn't that great.... You will be a bit better than a well geared non hammered genetic but not a league away. Megs and hammer are better off in the hands of a RK for storm blasting because of the RKs higher survivability ( and that's where a lot of them go during WoE ) or megs on a sura for GoH / gfist / KA.

[FiskBlack]

If you can read, clearly in my profile info says i'm mexican i dunno if my english is bad i need more practice then, anyways none is forcing you to read what i post, same as i'm not forcing reading yours, i'm sorry if you got butthurt but lol "genetic witouth god item set isnt good" what the... i think you are just someone in a different world or game, meh or maybe you out rage and started posting senseless stuff.. or is like "if i dont 1 shot every player with my skills is not overpowered".0

Yes ymir got the oldest comunity but the ammount of players is still bigger in valk (maybe most of them are bots!) , ygg is a "new" server so it doesnt count!Paw Ha Ha! giving megs to a sura is stupid, even if they use KA is a terrible choice when you got Gens/RKs a instant genetic is still way better considering the amount of skills they can use, a RK however is a better choice, that dont mean genetics are weak, that mean the game IS BROKE.

Now that you mention that maybe valk got even more god items.. but how ignorant you can be? Keep raging i will tolerate and love the hell outa of you. :3

I feel like you are afraid of getting your main class balanced, Duh.

[meoryou2]

If you can read, clearly in my profile info says i'm mexican i dunno if my english is bad i need more practice then, anyways none is forcing you to read what i post, same as i'm not forcing reading yours, i'm sorry if you got butthurt but lol "genetic witouth god item set isnt good" what the... i think you are just someone in a different world or game, meh or maybe you out rage and started posting senseless stuff.. or is like "if i dont 1 shot every player with my skills is not overpowered".0

Yes ymir got the oldest comunity but the ammount of players is still bigger in valk (maybe most of them are bots!) , ygg is a "new" server so it doesnt count!Paw Ha Ha! giving megs to a sura is stupid, even if they use KA is a terrible choice when you got Gens/RKs a instant genetic is still way better considering the amount of skills they can use, a RK however is a better choice, that dont mean genetics are weak, that mean the game IS BROKE.

Now that you mention that maybe valk got even more god items.. but how ignorant you can be? Keep raging i will tolerate and love the hell outa of you. :3

I feel like you are afraid of getting your main class balanced, Duh.

And you sir are a loser. A sore loser to be precise.

Please do keep putting up your strawmen for me to knock down.

And hahahah you talking about MY reading comprehension? Seriously? When you get "genetics without god items aren't good" out of "genetics are balanced without god items".... that SOMEONE ELSE SAID no less? And not giving megs to a sura because it's "stupid" o.O no wonder you die all the time in WoE, with your understanding of the game mechanics a lvl1 novice could walk up and kill you. That's above and beyond the fact that you can't read that my genetic is FINISHED and I rarely if ever WoE, that I never used god items, and that I've been leveling my Sorc and Baby ranger. Genetics are easy to kill, especially on a sorc. Hell a well setup warg strike build RANGER can kill a genetic without too much trouble.... or at least keep it pinned down till someone else kills it.

I feel like you are afraid to get your brain balanced, DUH. Either that or you are trolling, hard to tell if it is a well crafted troll ( that the mods should then ban ) or if you really are that stupid and closed minded.

[Kadelia]

This conversation is making my head hurt.

Edited by Jaye, 29 September 2011 - 05:00 AM.

[FiskBlack]

This conversation is making my head hurt.

He is just mad, jesus christ..

[Trixdee]

Fisk you need to understand it's normal that people will defend their class from statements that are only 1/2 truth or all together false. It's not them just being mean and not hearing you. They are telling you, hey this may be true in some cases but not all. Especially in Jaye's case on Yggdrasil. Not all of the servers are the same.

Edited by Trixdee, 03 October 2011 - 10:32 AM.

[mikumikurini]

i dont understand why they have to nerf genetics. Thorn seed is so expensive and rare cant even cast a skill without spending 100k and they want to nerf everythin. Dont we deserve some merits since we pay for them? I only do 20k on hell plant and without any gods i cast it slow. and they call that OP. whats so OP about that. Cart cannon do 7k.Acid bomb takes forever to cast,we'll be dead even before we finish casting. Im still practicing on my genetic and we dont even have ultimate skill on pvp, like warlocks and sura .Why is there a need to nerf something. Cant we just strive to be more powerful or experienced to beat each other rather than nerf them so they cant be killed and save them for the pain of workin hard and practicing. Sorry for my english.i Just wanna express myself.

[robrod]

What is bugged, or undesirable about the Geneticists?

Please make cannon balls to not unequip when we die it gets tedious and sometimes forget it becomes unequipped when you are mobbing.

+1 for fixing the cannon ball unequip, its just annoying.

Cannon balls unequip on death

Cannon Balls unequip when a Geneticist dies

15. May 2012