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[Campitor]

Recently we banned a user for what we thought was No Delay usage with Dragon's Breath on the server during WoE.

 

However with some testing we were able to replicate his attack speed through copying his equipment then using a small stack of consumables and buffs. Due to this the user has been released. However because this level of cast speed is achievable through normal means this severely affects the Balance of WoE. To us this suddenly shifted from a cheating issue to a balance issue.

 

On Monday we will be adding a fixed cast delay* to the Sakray server for Dragon's Breath. This will be making it's way over to the live server the same week. So we want you to participate in the testing to make sure we don't go too far in balancing the skill. For this event please meet us at 1:30pm. 

 

 

Further Testing is needed... with auto hotkey we were able to get it closer to the example shown. However our connection at the office is too good. Were going to do another test from a more laggy location (my home) tonight. Then we will be ready to start looking at solutions.

 

 

 

*It might be a different value we will be experimenting with it until it has the desired effect.

 

 

[KiyokoHasami]

o-shi!

[fuyukikun]

hahaha...the funniest phenomenon of the year

[josechen]

XD

[Alaska]

This is my favorite topic in a long time. :')

[Inubashiri]

[thatfool]

mind sharing what kind of gear? because i highly doubt everyone have that kind of gear

[j33f]

agree ^

or is there a video of you testing and spamming like he was able to?

Edited by j33f, 21 August 2014 - 05:31 PM.

[Hikusaak]

Ah,a mating call for Rune Knight players

[Toxn]

How much of a delay is going to be added?

 

Id be more happy with nerfing the dex temporal boots itself but this is good enough :v

Edited by Toxn, 21 August 2014 - 05:38 PM.

[Einherhart]

Wow, you guys can actually balance things. GJ  

Edited by Einherhart, 21 August 2014 - 05:40 PM.

[thatfool]

dex temporal boot op

[ShinobiEX3]

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[Darksorrow1234]

just make temporal dex boot not equippable by RKs 

[silentFuzz]

Which skills?

 

plenty of offensive (non magic) skills, but definitely not just dragon breath - suicidal destruction is at least one of them
 

[AmonRA]

Some players right now want post this:

[Yggdrasil13]

Which skills?

Swordsman skills

Bash,MagnumBreak

Bowling Bash,Pierce,Spear Boomerang,Blandish spear

Clashing Spiral, Vital Strike

Wind Cutter,Dragon Breath, Dragon Howl,Runes

Vanishing Point,Pinpoint attack, Overbrand, Earth Drive, Banding, shield Spell

 

Thief skills

Back step, Sonic Blow

 

Merchant skills

Hammer Fall, meltdown, Flame Thrower, Cold thrower

 

Acolyte skills

Cursed Circle

 

Mage skills

Stave Crusher

 

Archer skills

Double Straitening,Arrow Shower, Firing  Trap, Arrow Storm,Severe rainstorm

Edited by Yggdrasil13, 21 August 2014 - 06:25 PM.

[celestience]

Can u reveal the setup? Or post a video. Cause that video was without strings and it looks pretty damn no-delayed

[Iinker]

campitor's client has built in ndl obviously!!

[Kadelia]

-removed videos-

 

That doesn't look like a hack to me; dragon breath doesn't have any skill-specific cooldown, so it can be spammed at aspd if you remove the global delay (easy with strings) and remove the cast time (easy with temporal dex boots), so all that's left to ask is "can you cast this fast with any amount of aspd?" The answer is yes. With about 189+ aspd you could cast 4/sec like that RK appears to be doing.

 

The easiest/best way to balance dragon breath is to change the cooldown to skill-specific, 0.5 seconds.

Edited by Ralis, 21 August 2014 - 07:05 PM.

[Yggdrasil13]

campitor's client has built in ndl obviously!!

That's not iRO right?

[Iinker]

That doesn't look like a hack to me; dragon breath doesn't have any skill-specific cooldown, so it can be spammed at aspd if you remove the global delay (easy with strings) and remove the cast time (easy with temporal dex boots), so all that's left to ask is "can you cast this fast with any amount of aspd?" The answer is yes. With about 189+ aspd you could cast 4/sec like that RK appears to be doing.

 

The easiest/best way to balance dragon breath is to change the cooldown to skill-specific, 0.5 seconds.

 

Aspd =/= animation delay. Try spamming cart cannon with high aspd. It won't help.
 

[silentFuzz]

Aspd =/= animation delay. Try spamming cart cannon with high aspd. It won't help.
 

 

are you saying aspd doesn't help with dragon breath?
 

[Iinker]

are you saying aspd doesn't help with dragon breath?
 

 

It helps but you can't do this with the help of aspd alone

Edited by Ralis, 21 August 2014 - 07:07 PM.

[littlechiyo]

lol