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#51 Ralis

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:40 PM

I have permission to post the videos.

 

How about you just take a deep breath and rewatch Ella Enchanted on Netfilx.

 

They were reported by an Animosity member.

 

No thanks, one time in the last week or whenever was good enough.

 

I'm really touched that you and your friends feel the need to constantly stalk my Facebook though.


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#52 Mulder1

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:41 PM

Hope it's a 1 second after cast delay same as Release.

 

Thank you.


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:42 PM

^ I think Campitor wasn't referencing the guy/RK on that video... It was someone else...

 

He was referring to him.

 

http://ropd.info/?account=3239308


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#54 Mulder1

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:43 PM

He was referring to him.

 

http://ropd.info/?account=3239308

 

I think it was someone else... not sure.

 

But in any case, DB should have that 1 second after cast time delay and be affected by WoE/Demi-Human reductions. =)


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#55 Myzery

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:44 PM

They were reported by an Animosity member.

 

No thanks, one time in the last week or whenever was good enough.

 

I'm really touched that you and your friends feel the need to constantly stalk my Facebook though.

 

It's more like someone on your friends list was like "Oh, Ralis is excited about watching Ella Enchanted on Netflix"

 

I wasn't trying to insult you.


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#56 Kadelia

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:51 PM

I am the hero renewal needs, but not the one it deserves.

 

What? no? Comic relief villain, maybe. Like Skeletor or something.

 

EDIT: MYAAA!

 

Edit2:

skeletor-o.gif


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#57 Myzery

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:52 PM

What? no? Comic relief villain, maybe. Like Skeletor or something.

 

Does that make you She-Woman?


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:54 PM

She-Ra!

 

Ohhhh yeaahahhh that's totally my motif

 

she-ra-cast.jpg


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:54 PM

how about share the build, let people test it before doing any nerfs?

 

I am against warpportal making hasty decision on nerfing dragon breath. if there's one thing we learn from history, warpportal always screw up


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:55 PM

this is what u called a classic jerk :p_devil:  :p_devil:

 

you're right. hue. :p_angel:
 


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:56 PM

Sigh... Insulting me or not, I really don't like when people share details from my Facebook on a public forum. Thank you for the reminder to go through my friends list though... Adding anyone that currently plays Ragnarok certainly wasn't a good idea. =/


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:58 PM

She-Ra!

 

WHAT?!

 

Ontopic: No matter what, i hope this thing dont make a stupid way to nerf temporal dex boots, yeah i know sound stupid, but is more stupid how iRO doing things...


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:03 PM

Hopefully temporal dex boots gets nerf'd and dragons breath gets a minimum of 1 second hard cool down. 


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:07 PM

Banning people will only hurt the population, so I think you guys are taking the right direction by adding a small global delay for Dragon Breath.


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:11 PM

This delay thing you guys talking about, should it be both inside and outside WoE area or inside only?


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:12 PM

idk, cheaters running around WoE hurts the population more than banning cheaters i think. Its either if you cant win, join them and cheat too, or quit cuz its frustratingly pointless to play legit. Either way Campitor, we need more information on how insta cast DB is achieved  before making a hasty decision just because the GM's screwed up and wrongfully banned someone.


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#67 KiyokoHasami

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:14 PM

That incomplete animation though. Are you SURE you we're able to pull that off with just buffs and items? 2nd video makes it VERY clear.


Edited by KiyokoHasami, 21 August 2014 - 08:15 PM.

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#68 ShinobiEX3

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:55 PM

:yawn: :heh: :yawn:


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 09:09 PM

 

However with some testing we were able to replicate his attack speed through copying his equipment then using a small stack of consumables and buffs.

 

Testing on the internal server with no lag and latency issues will yield different results than those playing from the other side of the world. So can't really be certain on those test results. Probably have players from different regions perform those tests on sakray to replicate the speed? Other than that, putting a delay solely on the internal test results is lacking imo.

 

On a side note, putting a delay because someone probably cheated out there will screw everyone else on WoE and PvM levels. Plus if you do enforce the delay then a stat reset npc should be put in, because there are a lot of those optimized their rune knight builds to achieve high speeds and with this the builds will not be optimal anymore.

 

I guess delay on dragon breath might be the easier to implement in iRo for balance/anti cheat issues than other means.


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 09:16 PM

they should also refund 20bmx3 for the 2 rk i made previously. tyvm :p_hi:


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 09:18 PM

Testing on the internal server with no lag and latency issues will yield different results than those playing from the other side of the world. So can't really be certain on those test results. Probably have players from different regions perform those tests on sakray to replicate the speed? Other than that, putting a delay solely on the internal test results is lacking imo.

 

On a side note, putting a delay because someone probably cheated out there will screw everyone else on WoE and PvM levels. Plus if you do enforce the delay then a stat reset npc should be put in, because there are a lot of those optimized their rune knight builds to achieve high speeds and with this the builds will not be optimal anymore.

 

I guess delay on dragon breath might be the easier to implement in iRo for balance/anti cheat issues than other means.

 

When Release got its 1 second cooldown, we never got a stat reset npc.

 

Cooldown is fine, it will make gaming experience more balanced.


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 09:44 PM

Recently we banned a user for what we thought was No Delay usage with Dragon's Breath on the server during WoE.

 

However with some testing we were able to replicate his attack speed through copying his equipment then using a small stack of consumables and buffs. Due to this the user has been released. However because this level of cast speed is achievable through normal means this severely affects the Balance of WoE. To us this suddenly shifted from a cheating issue to a balance issue.

 

On Monday we will be adding a fixed cast delay* to the Sakray server for Dragon's Breath. This will be making it's way over to the live server the same week. So we want you to participate in the testing to make sure we don't go too far in balancing the skill. For this event please meet us at 1:30pm. 

 

 

 

*It might be a different value we will be experimenting with it until it has the desired effect.

 

Typical retarded Gravity method of balancing the game.

1) Introduce broken item from lame brains in Korea who don't know how to balance a game
2) Builds centering around item's special effects are researched and put into usage
3) Someone complains, ban(s) meted out, GMs promise action
4) Ultimately, it's decided that a Skill must be nerfed (really!?)
5) wtf? go back and read line (1) again

 

Okay, okay. Let's say you nerf Dragon's Breath, and it stops the complaints. Everything's fine now right? Well, what happens when the Temporal Dex Boots start getting abused for other skills? Are you going to nerf each of those skills in turn as well?

 

In short, if you mess with Dragon's Breath, you're hurting all RKs, regardless of their gear; But if you fix the item that makes the skill broken in the first place, then you're only affecting the RKs who are using that item, rather than every. single. RK. Obviously, to anyone following along, the latter option (fixing the item) is the correct choice; not the former option ("fixing" *heh*, the skill).
 


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 09:47 PM

 



On a side note, putting a delay ... will screw everyone else on WoE and PvM levels.

 

I could not agree with this more. Wish I could +10 instead of just +1.

 
They're hurting every RK.

Edited by Dreimdal, 21 August 2014 - 09:48 PM.

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 10:02 PM

If those RK spending millions for eq/card to archive that kind of speed but getting nerf by the end of it...not cool


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 10:07 PM

If it's entirely unbalanced and ruins WoE shouldn't you idiots be happy they're actually doing some game balancing? rofl


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