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#26 neko1231

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 11:07 AM

I'd be the one to answer with 0%.

Or would I...

 

answer 0%, and make 1000 forum accounts that answer any other number, then you win


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 11:41 AM

Please make some histograms after all data has been collected.  This is actually quite interesting.


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 01:28 PM

(If there is no correct answer, I'll take the next closest answer)

Closest to... what? If half of the answers were 0% and the other half were 100%, which answer(s) would you take and why?
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Posted 15 October 2014 - 01:41 PM

If it was exactly 50% it would round up to the 100%s being the winners.
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Posted 15 October 2014 - 01:48 PM

If it was exactly 50% it would round up to the 100%s being the winners.

 

That's not fair...Both are 50% away from the right answer, so both 0% and 100% should be correct.

 

Suppose: out of 100 total answers you have

 

two people answered 1 (so 2%)

one person answered 2 (so 1%)

seven  people answered 8 (so 7%)

ninety people answered 91 (so 90%)

 

So how are you going to round it up?

 


Edited by neko1231, 15 October 2014 - 01:53 PM.

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 01:48 PM

how do you round 1.5 to the nearest number?  same concept


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 01:57 PM

That's not fair...Both are 50% away from the right answer, so both 0% and 100% should be correct.

 

Suppose: out of 100 total answers you have

 

two people answered 1 (so 2%)

one person answered 2 (so 1%)

seven  people answered 8 (so 7%)

ninety people answered 91 (so 90%)

 

So how are you going to round it up?

 

 

how do you round 1.5 to the nearest number?  same concept

 

Emm....So in my case will round using 50%=0.5, round(50%)=round(0.5)= 1?   Then round(51%) will be also 1? and round(1%) is 0? strange.....


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 02:08 PM

i'd say in your added scenario, the two answering 1 would win.  similar to blackjack you can still win if you are at or under 21; the moment you go over 21 you are out regardless of how close you were.

 

ralis can confirm.


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 02:23 PM

That's not fair...Both are 50% away from the right answer, so both 0% and 100% should be correct.

The point is that there is no right answer, so the expression "next closest answer" is meaningless. I wanted to know if he had in mind a well-defined procedure for choosing the "next closest answer" but there doesn't seem to be one at all.
 

i'd say in your added scenario, the two answering 1 would win. similar to blackjack you can still win if you are at or under 21; the moment you go over 21 you are out regardless of how close you were.

ralis can confirm.

You can't make up rules as you go along.

Edited by renouille, 15 October 2014 - 02:43 PM.

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 03:28 PM

So many hypothetical scenarios that aren't going to happen...

Another example for "next closest answer". Let's assume that the top five answers are:

100% - 10/100 or 10% of total answers
1% - 6/100 or 6% of total answers
2% - 5/100 or 5% of total answers
3% - 5/100 or 5% of total answers
4% - 3/100 or 3% of total answers

All other answers have only 1 or 2 guesses.

1% and 2% are already accounted for so those cannot win. The 4% guess is the most accurate / next closest because it is only 1% away from how many people guessed it.

Does that make sense?

Edited by Ralis, 15 October 2014 - 03:29 PM.

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 03:53 PM

well in neko's scenario you have everyone 1% off; who wins then?


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 06:25 PM

So let me see if I can state the rules unambiguously:
  • A valid answer is an integer percentage in the range 0-100.
  • Valid submitted answers are assigned a score equal to the absolute value of the difference between the percentage of people who submitted that answer--rounded to the nearest whole number--and the value of the answer itself.
  • A winning answer is a valid answer with the minimum score.
This should take care of everything except stuff like "50% rounds to 100% so 100% wins" which doesn't really make any sense. What do you think?
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Posted 15 October 2014 - 06:38 PM

I take back what I said before about rounding. There will be no rounding. If two answers are exactly the same amount apart, they will both be correct and the pools from both will be combined.


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 11:47 AM

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE

 

I wasn't a derp this week and already have next week's puzzle ready to go! HOORAY ME


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 12:02 PM

does it involve tree counting? D:


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 12:19 PM

This one is kind of fun because of how loose the answer can be *_*


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 12:50 PM

Nah. Next week's is a visual / interactive puzzle. :D
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Posted 16 October 2014 - 04:20 PM

Winners from last week, please check your PMs. I have the Party Hard Packs to give you.

 

MatsuTana does not appear to be even close to an actual forum name, so if that was you (character name Christines Boyfriend) please PM me.


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Posted 19 October 2014 - 06:20 AM

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Week 9: Paradox [ 10/15 - 10/21 ]

 

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Unfortunately I've been a little busy with school this week and the new Conundrum slipped my mind until about fifteen minutes ago, which just isn't enough time for me to come up with and thoroughly test a new puzzle!

 

So, for this week, I'm going to let you all decide what the correct answer is... Sort of. You see, it will be a sort of paradox: there will be no correct answer until people have guessed the correct answer. Kind of strange, isn't it?

 

Anyway, sorry about this week... and may the odds be ever in your favor.

 

What percentage of the answers to this week's Conundrum will be correct? Round to the nearest whole number.

 

Example: If you believe everyone will answer the same number, enter 100 or 100%.

 

(If there is no correct answer, I'll take the next closest answer)

 

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This week's prize:

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10x Bloody Branch

 

The competition ends Tuesday, October 21st at 11:59 PM PST! Good luck!

 

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Um.. wth does this have to do with RO :P

 

This is confusing as hell also. I read all your post & it still doesn't make sense...LOL

 

Sounds more like a guessing game where everyone just picks a number. I bet this weeks going to have the most answers

 

I wasn't kidding when I said I spent HOURS counting. HOURS.

 

I think I counted trees about seven different times.

 

Also I love how trees took up pretty much half of that video. :l

 

Yeah I bet. That's why I gave up doing it after trying to count the flags & loosing track :P


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Posted 19 October 2014 - 01:00 PM

Unfortunately I've been a little busy with school this week and the new Conundrum slipped my mind until about fifteen minutes ago, which just isn't enough time for me to come up with and thoroughly test a new puzzle!

It would have been easy to come up with another random tiny image like the first week's.
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Posted 19 October 2014 - 01:24 PM

I want to try and not repeat anything if I can help it. I've planned ahead for the next three weeks now so we're all good for awhile~


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Posted 19 October 2014 - 04:06 PM

@ Rails,

 

Heh...I haven't PM yet...I've been waiting all week thinking that it might be in my mail. :D When are you normally on?


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Posted 19 October 2014 - 05:18 PM

I'll be online for the next four hours or so. I'm doing stuff in-game right now though so if I'll try to PM you later.


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 06:31 AM

Last day to get answers in / edit existing answers. I'll be closing the collector at exactly midnight so I can calculate the winners as quickly as possible~


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 11:35 AM

PST correct?


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