You are talking specifically about Mages there. While I do agree the main problem concerning them would be more about their CCs ability than their damage, I do have to point out that Mages do also have hard hitting single target skills.
You are also only specifically talking about PvP, and more precisely AA, but this is not the only aspect to consider, ROSE as a game isn't limited to 1 PvP game arena mode.
The thing is, both CD and AA almost work the same way as a PvP arena stage. The only difference with CD and AA is CD is much smaller and requires less strategy thinking than AA.
DP on the other hand is a whole new different PvP arena game which only has 5 people in it. So aoes don't really matter much at all.
As for Raider's dodge, it has been nerfed over and over again, to a point where, I agree Raiders should be dodge specialist, but, in PvP at least, unless you are considering katar vs katar as being relevant (being a very low acc class spec) Dodge is crap.
Really? When? I didn't actually notice this .-.
And to go back on topic, that s precisely why if I was to give advice on how a cleric can get more tanky, I wouldn't say to go for dodge substats, but to go for crit subs and stats, in order to be less locked and be able to cast more reliably their heals.
Even so, katars raiders has "critical weakness" so even if you get some sen to compensate less locking, the crit weakness will kick in and the crit rate would mean nothing again.
Truely back on THREAD topic.
The idea of Cleric having that burst of tankability, WITH the potentials of how they can get atm is kinda broken. You see, last time clerics magic tool built, is crazy tanky. They can tank like 3-4 raiders hitting them for a few secs - 1 min i think. And being a PvP player, every second matter. 5 sec of burst tank + what clerics can do now would only bring back those ages one way or another.
AOE damage based classes are so few only. Knights, champs (specifically 2 hand and spears but more to spears), dual raiders and mages. Dealer class barely has many aoes as well as katar class builds. If you take away their pure potential and their purpose of the class itself, then it would be like diminishing the population of that certain class, just like how now you never see a xbow scout in PvP arenas, or dungeon, or practically the entire game. So there's almost no point in nerfing their damage by so much despite having no limits to their aoe other than the range of the aoe radius. So if you don't wanna die within that radius, kill it or move away far enough (easier said than done but it is how it can be avoided).
Guys, you are moving from cleric discussion to raiders, and mages. Please try to stick to a clean discussion. I'm pretty sure that's what bendesmom would want. Arguing is fine since its a discussion, but keep it clean and "insult free"
What luna said is correct. It is more complex in playing an FS then you think it is. I'm not saying its the most complex class, i don't know such a thing as "most complex" as every class is complex in its own personal view and value. Basically its is a relative term.
Because how i see it, all classes have their certain complexity to it. If you view it from one point that it is easy, it is not. To take clerics in the view. FS clerics needs both high charm and high defence, but that can't be done at once, and there can't be both in one place. Its one or the other. Then heals, there's stacks to them you have to consider as well as what that heal do to the next one, and how it makes survivability better for that certain amount of time for everyone as well as the cleric itself.
5 single heals in total, and you have to consider which is the 1st one you cast and which would do better. This is why clerics are also complex in their own sense. Now having a raider as well, i also know how complex that is. So don't try to bring how complex it is for clerics compared to raiders.
Like i said, all class builds regardless of subclasses, are complex in their own sense. No class is truly "that easy" to build.
Edited by KatsuraKujo, 24 June 2015 - 02:26 PM.