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#1 cju711

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 12:43 PM

Here i'll be chronicling my fails refines as a testament to the piss poor state of the current refine system. My absolute least favorite thing about this game is the god awful, unforgivable, ruthless refine system. I'm hoping that this thread will be productive in bringing about change upon the refine system. That will not happen most likely, so I'll settle for serving the purpose of letting you bastards laugh at my pain. Feel free to join in the fight, by annotating your own refine success/fail data here if you please. 

 

5/25/2015

Goal: Get 2 valk shields to +7 using ENRICHED elus for refine levels 4 -> 6, then a safe ticket on level 6 -> 7.  This is the most cost effective option due to outrageous price of safe to 7 armor tickets. 

 

Valk Shield 1 of 2

Refine attempt 4 -> 5 (90% chance of success w/ enriched) SUCCESS

Refine attempt 5 -> 6 (60% chance of success w/ enriched) FAIL, BREAK 

 

valk shield 2 of 2

Refine attempt 4 -> 5 (90% chance of success w/ enriched) SUCCESS

Refine attempt 5 -> 6 (60% chance of success w/ enriched) SUCCESS

Refine attempt 6 -> 7 (40% chance of success w/ regular elu and safe to 7 ticket) SUCCESS

 

well now I look like an friend. I think this is literally the luckiest i've ever been with refines. The highest i've ever been able to upgrade anything is +8 WITH enriched most of the time. Thats in about 10 years of on/off playing. Stay tuned folks, much more to come.

 


Edited by cju711, 27 May 2015 - 04:54 PM.

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#2 AlmrOfAtlas

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 02:04 PM

RO's refine system is an example of "true RNG", where the odds don't change based on hidden factors and stack against however many times you've been successful. There's nothing wrong with the system.

 

lol and you have absolutely no right to complain if you're upping gears on Renewal, where plenty of safeguards and paid success rate booster items exist.


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#3 cju711

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 02:18 PM

GOAL: Refine my +6 Temp boots to +7 with safe to 7 tickets.

 

Refine attempt 1 (40% chance of success with regular elu and safe ticket) FAIL god damnit

Refine attempt 2 SUCCESS

 

wow, can't believe how lucky I am today.


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#4 Necrohealiac

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 03:01 PM

so this experiment failed.
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Posted 25 May 2015 - 05:19 PM

I've now spent 2414 Elunium (48m) and 400 Goggles attempting to get one +8 goggle since 21/05.

 

Something is wrong. Two weeks ago I was getting one +8 every 243 Elu / 41 Goggles.

 

I suspect someone has modified the refinement odds, and it was during the 20/05 scheduled maintenance.


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Posted 25 May 2015 - 05:37 PM

The thing wrong with the system is mastersmiths weapon upgrade can't use the pay to win ori's


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Posted 25 May 2015 - 08:09 PM

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Forge 10 valk shoes. All made to +4. All above +4 is made using enrich elus.

1. 7/10 manage to get to +5
2. 4/7 manage to get to +6
3. 2/4 manage to get to +7
4. 0/2 manage to get to +8

Go and bought another 1 valk shoe to express my anger. All the way get to +8 and broke at +9. Story ends.-_- me right?

Edited by AmericanPie, 25 May 2015 - 08:09 PM.

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 08:43 PM

I've now spent 2414 Elunium (48m) and 400 Goggles attempting to get one +8 goggle since 21/05.

 

Something is wrong. Two weeks ago I was getting one +8 every 243 Elu / 41 Goggles.

 

I suspect someone has modified the refinement odds, and it was during the 20/05 scheduled maintenance.

 

Statistical outliers make for the best conspiracy theories  :p_idea:


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#9 Necrohealiac

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 08:58 PM

it seems every maint there's someone who thinks the upgrading formula was adjusted >>
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Posted 25 May 2015 - 09:57 PM

prolly spent tons of zeny for certs just to +7 an HBP oddly it should take only 3-4 certs. i used up 7-10 certs only made it to +6 

and i was like -_- it im gonna sell this -_-


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Posted 25 May 2015 - 10:05 PM

You should try +10 a weapon with a Mastersmith, in my case I tried several including +9 TSoD, 20% chance. You'll save a lot.
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Posted 25 May 2015 - 10:06 PM

Just did a +7HBP earlier during lunch time (GMT+8)

 

7 +7 Body certificates

1/7 = +5

2/7 = failed

3/7 = failed

4/7 = +6
5/7 = failed

6/7 = failed

7/7 = +7

 

Total cost: 400m, +0HBP in thor cost 500m.


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Posted 25 May 2015 - 11:32 PM

how to improve your luck: post it on the forums


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Posted 25 May 2015 - 11:51 PM

refining? that's the world i already ragequitted some time ago


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 12:49 AM

Used 80 goggles, 500 elus and nearly break my arm pressing enter; get 3 +8 goggles :love:


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 01:06 AM

Used 80 goggles, 500 elus and nearly break my arm pressing enter; get 3 +8 goggles :love:


You are lucky with 3 +8 goggles out of 80 samples, with +8 raw chance of 1.92%, seems like your profit hits 50M.

Edited by marvsragna, 26 May 2015 - 01:14 AM.

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 06:25 AM

The thing wrong with the system is mastersmiths weapon upgrade can't use the pay to win ori's

it already gives you free enriched oridecon refinement rate :v (Free of taxes XD)


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 06:47 AM

Used 80 goggles, 500 elus and nearly break my arm pressing enter; get 3 +8 goggles :love:

I did some time ago with 100 goggles and managed to get 3. One other player who was also refining at the same time with me, managed to get 4 out of 50. I was feeling bad, but then I re-thought it and found that 3 out of 100 is normal luck. So I never feel bad anymore. In fact I don't want to be the kind of maintenance-or-whatever-changed-refine-rate blamer.


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#19 cju711

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Posted 27 May 2015 - 04:53 PM

A new day, a new dollar wasted! 

 

5/27/2015

 

GOAL: Get 2 valk shields to +7 using enriched elu til lvl 6 and then safe refines to lvl 7.

Valk shield 1 of 2

Attempt to 4 ->5 (90% chance of success with enriched) SUCCESS

attempt to 5 ->6 (60% chance of success with enriched) FAIL, BREAK

 

Valk shield 2 of 2

attempt to 4 ->5 (90% chance of success with enriched) FAIL, BREAK

 

yayyyyy 45m+ down the drain =) hate this -_- system. i seriously doubt the actual % of success is that high

 

 

GOAL: attempt to +7 my +6 resistant immune shield with safe tickets

Attempt 1: (40% chance to succeed) FAIL

Attempt 2: (40% chance to succeed) FAIL

Attempt 3: (40% chance to succeed) FAIL

 

quit after that. don't feel like wasting any more zeny today....or time playing this -_- game.-_- this -_-.


Edited by cju711, 27 May 2015 - 05:03 PM.

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Posted 27 May 2015 - 05:04 PM

Just because the rate is high, doesn't mean it's guaranteed... maybe you should take a break from refining?  :hmm:


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Posted 27 May 2015 - 05:44 PM

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Forge 10 valk shoes. All made to +4. All above +4 is made using enrich elus.

1. 7/10 manage to get to +5
2. 4/7 manage to get to +6
3. 2/4 manage to get to +7
4. 0/2 manage to get to +8

Go and bought another 1 valk shoe to express my anger. All the way get to +8 and broke at +9. Story ends. -_- me right?

 

that happened to me haha. i broke like 15 dress hats, found a random one leftover in storage, rage upgraded it, and it went all the way to +9 with normal elu...

 

I'm convinced enriched/HE gum is a scam ~_~


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#22 cju711

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 12:27 PM

Wow.... -_- this game

 

Goal: get my +4 HBP to +5 with an enriched elu. it is 90% chance of success and the last time i tried to refine something at 90%, it failed and broke, so i thought surely it wouldnt happen again.

 

Attempt 1 +4 -> +5: (90% chance of succes with enriched elu) FAIL. BREAK. 45m gone

 

tell me this -_- isn't a scam.


Edited by cju711, 29 May 2015 - 12:29 PM.

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#23 UnknownBeing

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 01:55 PM

Plot twist: rates are not as advertised. :0
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Posted 29 May 2015 - 02:39 PM

Sometimes I feel that luck is a finite resourse when playing, specially when Refining/Enchanting.

 

It took me 1 try to get an Erde to +7 using normal Elu. (Nice luck)

It took me 20 tries to get a decent Malandgo enchant on that Erde (EA5/4). (Crappy luck)

It took me 3 HD Ori to get it to +10. (Nice luck)

It took me 48 HD Bradium to +11. (Crappy luck)

It took me 1 HD Bradium to +12. (Nice luck)

 

I feel I could write a thesis about luck in RO with all the stories I've lived and read. XD


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Posted 29 May 2015 - 03:06 PM

Plot twist: rates are not as advertised. :0

 

The rates are not and have never been advertised. What you see on iW is the result of player testing.


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