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#26 Intrigue

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 06:19 AM

I have thoroughly maxed out my AGI (therefore, my ASPD), with the exception of +3 AGI Valky. Armor and slotted Rider's Insig. which would give me 1 more AGI, as a Ranger.

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With a total of 202 AGI and ~150 DEX, I still can only reach 191 ASPD with AB buffs. I still need 1 AGI for 192 ASPD, and I could get that by +10ing my BLB, but that's almost impossible. I have already reached my limit, with millions invested in my gear, and I am nowhere near 193.

Since I am missing 1 AGI to 192, I have to use Kafra food; for 193, I need to use +20 Genetic food.

It's pretty sad as to how hard it is to max ASPD now as a Ranger. It's almost impossible and NOT worth it at all with all of this sacrifice.

FYI: http://www.scs.ryers...c5tam/aspdcalc/ 's "Flat + ASPD Items" seems broken, especially for those that want to add Sniper Goggles in their calculations. You need 203 AGI for 191 ASPD, which is 192 ASPD with Sniper Goggles (not 201 as calculated).

Note: Since I am stuck at like 191, I'll probably need a +14 Elven's with Beholder Master to finally and stably hit 193.

Edited by Intrigue, 23 August 2011 - 11:00 PM.

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#27 Noumi

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 06:46 AM

Note: Since I am stuck at like 191, I'll probably need a +14 Elven's with Beholder Master to finally and stably hit 193.


Is that card even out yet? The data in RODE-R doesn't have it. RMS has it though. It seems like come 14.1 Bow Rangers make a comeback with the white wing set, and that camo will work properly with Arrow Storm. Making Camo + Arrow Storm > Severe Rainstorm in terms of damage. So trying to hit 193 ASPD by sacrificing so much will be meaningless already.
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#28 Intrigue

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 08:52 AM

Is that card even out yet? The data in RODE-R doesn't have it. RMS has it though. It seems like come 14.1 Bow Rangers make a comeback with the white wing set, and that camo will work properly with Arrow Storm. Making Camo + Arrow Storm > Severe Rainstorm in terms of damage. So trying to hit 193 ASPD by sacrificing so much will be meaningless already.


No, 193 ASPD will always have high DPS, probably more than of AS because Warg damage increases exponentially (also FB) after balancing. BM card with elven arrow comes out in 14.1 so Rangers without balancing and 14.1 seem pretty much confined to traps, unless you wanna dish out millions in order to be mediocre.
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#29 TheSquishy

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 09:08 PM

Let's try to get back on point.

The problem is that ASPD penalties don't make any logical sense for any class.

If I'm playing "X" class with "Y" extreme agi stat build using "Z" class appropriate weapon
with all skills that boost ASPD one should be able to get at least close to max ASPD.

Not the case. The current system is just dumb. The only thing right about it is the penalty for carrying a shield.
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#30 Noumi

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 10:06 PM

Yea I did the math. Indeed with 193 ASPD we are talking about up 20K damage damage a second. I also tot that was awesome, untill i read the post How fast will rangers lvl after fire trap is nerfed?

Read the post by neokenshin:

You'll acutally be leveling via Camo/Arrow Storm now. Since Camo gets its bonus fixed and is infinte as long as you have SP, you'll constantly stay with the +300 ATK bonus. Clogon did testing and at lvl 103 with Arrow Storm 1, he was pulling 10-12k damage. This was without the White Wing set I believe. So factor in Arrow Storm 10, White Wing set which boosts Arrow Storm's power by 100%, and 33% base Ranged Damage, and Elven Bow/Arrow which 50% more Ranged Damage and you'll be leveling like a beast now.

If wat he says is really true, Camo/Arrow Storm is talking about near 50K damage AOE.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 12:29 PM

I don't see why would you want everyone to easily get 193 aspd.

Not all the classes are meant to have 193 aspd.

Assassins should be able to use beserks. some classes you see as an aspd type class should atleast have it "SLIGHTLY" easier to get higher attackspeed.
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#32 TsukishiroSayuki

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 12:02 AM

Assassins should be able to use beserks.

Actually u can drink Deadly poison, and is a ASPD potion but for 30 sec.
I dunno how much is the boost, but should be about the berserker one o.Ã?

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When Poison Bottles are used by a non-Assassin class character, it causes instant death.
If an Assassin Cross drinks a Poison Bottle, they will become poisoned, and receive a boost in ASPD for 30 seconds. This is not the same as using Poison Bottles by activating Enchant Deadly Poison.


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#33 Krispin

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 06:42 AM

It technically gives a better attack speed than berserk potions but who cares, its a waste of money/materials to use them like that.

If they lasted half an hour like aspd potions this might be different, but they don't.
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#34 Noumi

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 09:42 PM

What about using Enrich Celermine Juice? According to the iRO ASPD calc, they can stack with the normal ASPD pots, and an RK with a +10 Alca Bringer only needs 80+ Base AGI to get 193 ASPD :)
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 07:43 AM

iro aspd calculator?
Got a link?

Though I've got my doubts about its accuracy, since renewal came around I haven't been able to find one planner/calculator that accurately calculates the aspd.

But of it is, oh dear odin thank you.

Edited by Krispin, 21 August 2011 - 07:43 AM.

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#36 Crabtipus

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 01:03 PM

I have thoroughly maxed out my AGI (therefore, my ASPD), with the exception of sacrificing my bow, as a Ranger.

Equips (using OAB):
Sniper Goggles (Nightmare)
Dragon Vest (Ancient Mimic)
Dragon Manteau (Bapho. Jr.)
+9 Black Leather Boots (Odium of Than.)
2x Bison Horns (Kukre)
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Oh man I saw your setup when you let me copy fire trap. I can't believe the formula won't even let you hit 193 with all that :)
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