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#101 Boyeteers

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 08:42 PM

There is still a single reason to do Faceworm Nest, if you wanna try for a FQL.

 

With the sudden influx of over upgraded crimson weapons, I don't think players are still encouraged to farm Queen instance. That's why these farmers tend to request for trade in +10/11 skins for certs. Yet, the management thinks more on $$$ that certs are easy to get and should be placed on cash shop.


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#102 Demeris

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 09:24 PM

There is still a single reason to do Faceworm Nest, if you wanna try for a FQL.

 

Better off doing NTF and OGH everyday and get enough loot to sell after 3-5 days of farming it ;V


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 09:50 PM

With the sudden influx of over upgraded crimson weapons, I don't think players are still encouraged to farm Queen instance. That's why these farmers tend to request for trade in +10/11 skins for certs. Yet, the management thinks more on $$$ that certs are easy to get and should be placed on cash shop.

 

I think it's a case of blurred lines.

 

Better off doing NTF and OGH everyday and get enough loot to sell after 3-5 days of farming it ;V

 

If no one farms new legs then there will be a monopoly which will cause people to farm further if they really want the item.

 

NTF is profitable but is sooooo down it's amusing.


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#104 netorinetero

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 09:54 PM

Make +7 cert available on cash shop when these happen so it wont hurt a lot for buyer with zenny because i foresee that the vend price will be OP. Win win for you and players.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 10:01 PM

I guess we can look at it from every side. This is nitpicking for sure, but if Campitor puts a value on certs, which by his estimates would be close to $1 per cert. You would have to be EXTREMELY lucky to get anywhere near the $10 side. The people I have asked who are regular farmers have almost never had this kind of luck, it's actually close to the middle or lower end.

Since the certs are usually fillers in the boxes and Campitor has now assigned a value to them; in a lot of cases, Gravity is ripping US off. They have to provide an equal value to what you spend on a box at the very least. Maybe the current box is close to $3 since you get cert and the 100 medals, but the rest of the contents do not seem very appealing to most people.
 


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 10:04 PM

I already warned u about safe certs and now u choose to do something bout it. -.- people don't listen until their pockets start to hurt. Sad but true it seems.


P.s. I warned u all too that buying g those boxes is a cheap way to trick u guys to spending ur money but did u all listen? Nope. Now u all want to say ur being ripped off. Smfh. Sigh I guess it's pointless to warn humans. They don't listen at all. Sigh

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:49 PM

So is there an time frame on collecting feedback for faceworm and when its gonna be re-implemented?

 

We are giving feedback but without a moderator or Camp to tell us if our feedback is worth it or not, or steering us in the right direction.... 

 

To summarize:
 

1. Support shown for the change of reward to EMB:

a) Current EMB reward as well as 1-3 EMB rate doesn't really pays up to the supplies/time taken to finish the instance.

B) WoE and non WoE supplies added to EMB exchange scheme

 

2. Different currency for different rewards. 

 

3. Is there a need to implement +10 gears?

a) Since besides GFSS and weapons from Devil's tower, no one really feed mimic gears above +9. +8 still works as Mastersmith do refine weapons for safe certs.

4. Removing GFSS from eat gear removes the consistent reward aspect.

a) MCA price has dipped 50% of what it used to be. (30-35m down to 16-17m)

B) Finishing the instance faster doesn't always equate to a guarantee refine lvl of skins. i.e a 11min run doesnt automatically gives you +10 to +11 skins. They do increase the chance but I still get +4 to +7 refine, albeit better enchants.

c) At least Nidhoggur's Shadow Garb can be traded for 2 random certs even if Nidd doesn't drop a thing. MCA chances are 50/50.

 

5. Price of certs, its 75kp iirc the last time it was sold in firesale. If you get 2 +9 or +10/+11 its 4-10 certs, which translate to 300/750kp. 

a) We all know that the success rate of eat gear is low. If you don't believe, you are welcome to try it out yourself.

- Which is why most Mastersmith upgrade to +8 intead of feeding at +7. Even at 30% success rate (20% base and 10% mastersmith skill), its still higher than eat gear chance by a lot.

 

If I miss anything out, do add. I'm just trying to summarize.

 

 


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Posted 19 December 2016 - 08:30 PM

So is there an time frame on collecting feedback for faceworm and when its gonna be re-implemented?

 

We are giving feedback but without a moderator or Camp to tell us if our feedback is worth it or not, or steering us in the right direction.... 

 

To summarize:
 

1. Support shown for the change of reward to EMB:

a) Current EMB reward as well as 1-3 EMB rate doesn't really pays up to the supplies/time taken to finish the instance.

B) WoE and non WoE supplies added to EMB exchange scheme

 

2. Different currency for different rewards. 

 

3. Is there a need to implement +10 gears?

a) Since besides GFSS and weapons from Devil's tower, no one really feed mimic gears above +9. +8 still works as Mastersmith do refine weapons for safe certs.

4. Removing GFSS from eat gear removes the consistent reward aspect.

a) MCA price has dipped 50% of what it used to be. (30-35m down to 16-17m)

B) Finishing the instance faster doesn't always equate to a guarantee refine lvl of skins. i.e a 11min run doesnt automatically gives you +10 to +11 skins. They do increase the chance but I still get +4 to +7 refine, albeit better enchants.

c) At least Nidhoggur's Shadow Garb can be traded for 2 random certs even if Nidd doesn't drop a thing. MCA chances are 50/50.

 

5. Price of certs, its 75kp iirc the last time it was sold in firesale. If you get 2 +9 or +10/+11 its 4-10 certs, which translate to 300/750kp. 

a) We all know that the success rate of eat gear is low. If you don't believe, you are welcome to try it out yourself.

- Which is why most Mastersmith upgrade to +8 intead of feeding at +7. Even at 30% success rate (20% base and 10% mastersmith skill), its still higher than eat gear chance by a lot.

 

If I miss anything out, do add. I'm just trying to summarize.

 

You know Bakonawa takes investments to run as well, and it usually pays off with a single gold bar. I think eat gear needs to accept his scale armors to recoup the cost... oh wai.


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 12:46 AM

You know Bakonawa takes investments to run as well, and it usually pays off with a single gold bar. I think eat gear needs to accept his scale armors to recoup the cost... oh wai.

 

You know im just summarizing the points from the previous pages right?


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 06:09 AM

If people lose interest in doing faceworm nest, the price of FQL and nicely enchanted GFSSs will rise, which in turn will bring back some of those who gave up or some newer players to this instance. If you're not greatly geared, it's quite chalenging to do!

 

Okay, I have fleshed out a balancing act of the current Eat Gear and Eve Natalia NPCs.

 

https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing

 

You have completely disregarded the market price of the items. Just like currently... who would give a Diabolus Manteau for a couple certs? I know it's how it works now, but it would be better to simply remove the option. Also, a pair of Variant Shoes has consistently cost less than 2M. I understand you want to give Beel hunters some incentive, but it should at least make 2 variants = 1 cert. It would be enough to more than double the current items value.


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 07:25 AM

Variants are 2m right now because there are many better shoes options, so they are kinda garbage loot.If they enter the exchange list, the price will rise.
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 09:20 AM

If people lose interest in doing faceworm nest, the price of FQL and nicely enchanted GFSSs will rise, which in turn will bring back some of those who gave up or some newer players to this instance. If you're not greatly geared, it's quite chalenging to do!

 

 

You have completely disregarded the market price of the items. Just like currently... who would give a Diabolus Manteau for a couple certs? I know it's how it works now, but it would be better to simply remove the option. Also, a pair of Variant Shoes has consistently cost less than 2M. I understand you want to give Beel hunters some incentive, but it should at least make 2 variants = 1 cert. It would be enough to more than double the current items value.

 

Variants are 2m right now because there are many better shoes options, so they are kinda garbage loot.If they enter the exchange list, the price will rise.

 

It was never about giving two -_-s about the market price of items, it was about providing an update to an already well used method. The market price is dictated by a lot of things, do you really think a Mystic Bow is worth the same as a Valkyrian Armor? No, it just happens to give two certs like it so it comes in around the same price.


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 09:36 AM

I prefer Staff of Destruction than Variants since players upgrade the staff and leaving variant to +0, overstocking variants at the market like mostly players have in their inventory.


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 10:28 AM

I prefer Staff of Destruction than Variants since players upgrade the staff and leaving variant to +0, overstocking variants at the market like mostly players have in their inventory.

 

We are in a decade old server, no matter what I add from Beelzebub someone will have stocked loads of his loots. Fact is though, he does need something to exchange.


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 05:43 PM

Lets just keep the Eat gear before as it is, and probably some EMB for +10 skins and above.

 

P.s, you guys are getting off topic


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 06:39 PM

Lets just keep the Eat gear before as it is, and probably some EMB for +10 skins and above.

 

P.s, you guys are getting off topic

 

Kinda, considering Camp has an issue with potential item mall spam then Eve Natalia might be touched next :I


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Posted 21 December 2016 - 10:02 PM

So do we have an update on whats gonna happen or we are waiting another week or maybe a month  :hmm:


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Posted 22 December 2016 - 12:11 AM

Please wait until 2067, your patience is appreciated.


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Posted 22 December 2016 - 07:24 AM

Please wait until 2067, your patience is appreciated.

 

Its okay, she gave me a vit 12 and vit 16 gfss today but zero mca. I'm happy... once in a blue blue moon... 


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#120 Wolfen

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Posted 22 December 2016 - 01:27 PM

i remember when they implemented the Kafra Shop, they used to say that the items that will be offered there would be small perks that doesn´t overshadow the ingame gear or allows to do things unavaible for people not buying KP.

 

Obviously that changed in the last 5 years that i was away from this game. so my sugestion is simple, since there is stuff that is almost mandatory and only avaible via lucky boxes, make it posible to adquire them with only ingame work (MIND YOU IN A WAY THAT IS NOT VIABLE TO FARM).

 

for example, let boxter granny take EMB for 10 (heck even 5) granny points. that way it would take around 100-200 EMB to get 1 lucky box. that way it would take around 25 gramps TI (on a VIP acount) to get enough for only 1 box. wich in the end is a nice perk, and yet not farmable enoguh to abuse it.

 

Personally i would like to say a better exchange ratio (maybe 20 or 50) but lets be honest, it has to be a number where people can get the taste and yet have the fealing they have to get more now.


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 09:38 PM

Any final decision on this? Its been a week :3


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Posted 07 January 2017 - 10:33 PM

Any update on this one regarding on this mimic eating a GFSS? Can they just bring back the old process when a mimic can still eat a +7-+9 GFSS while fixing it? This is a suggestion only and i know benefits the FW farmers out there. Have a good day buddys!

 

Success: (+10 or Higher)

 

7 Random Safes

 

Failed; (+10 or Higher)

 

3 Random Safes

 

:rice:   :rice:   :rice:


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Posted 07 January 2017 - 11:40 PM

That is literally a giant step in the exact opposite direction we're trying to take.


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 06:12 PM

Proposal :

 

Boost the difficulty of the instance, release Shadow Penetration gears when +12 GFSS are fed to the Eat Gear mimic by chance.


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 07:03 AM

So... can we get any word on this? I'd like to know an answer before I throw away some skins please.


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