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[ChakriGuard]

The nerf doesnt really kill Gen. Gen is still OP af ... but GX is just god tire now until cap fix arrives lol

[LordYggdrasill]

The no converter update is definitely a nerf, while no elemental cannon ball double damage is actually more like a bug fix to me.

 

And there will always be a place for Gene however hard CC is nerfed, ppls need FCP for instances and bio 4/5 dont they?

Edited by LordYggdrasill, 20 March 2018 - 12:09 PM.

[Nirvanna21]

From what Ash explained to me, it does nothing to address the elemental modifier at the end of the cart cannon formula, so no it really isn't a fix.

[MoyuZ777]

Oh, so converters won't work on neutral cannon balls?

[vividort]

i always though the nerf was that endow gets priority over cannon balls, so even if you use an elemental cannon ball if your weapon have fire element you'll deal fire damage. Wasn't it? That change made pyroclastic and unoptimal crimson maces bleh

[Kusanagisama]

I didn't see any difference in the video... or was it recorded after the "nerf"?

 

Whats a Marty Mask?

 

PERVERT Demon Mask. No, wait...

[vividort]

I didn't see any difference in the video... or was it recorded after the "nerf"?

Exactly, just recorded on chaos server, aspersio + holy cannon ball doesn't affect CC damage, never did, that's an Arm Cannon feature.

Edited by vividort, 20 March 2018 - 01:13 PM.

[Usurper]

Will the CC nerf greatly affect Gene's ability to complete instances?

[LordYggdrasill]

It will not, Gene’s can complete most instances easily with or without CC nerf, not mentioning that there are also a good number of genes who prefer acid bomb which is not getting nerfed

[NinjaCrow]

Does anyone know if kunai scrolls will be coming in 16.2?

[Usurper]

It will not, Gene’s can complete most instances easily with or without CC nerf, not mentioning that there are also a good number of genes who prefer acid bomb which is not getting nerfed

 

Good to know I guess. The problem with AB is that it is costly, unlike CC where you can get unlimited balls anytime.

[xMLGzus]

so we are saying if i have a holy mace no matter what cannon balls i use it will always be holy? even if i use a converter?

[fenrir99]

Your damage is pseudo neutral if you use Neutral balls with a Holy Mace, but will take the element of the ball if Ghost/Holy/Dark regardless of any weapon element/endow. This shouldn’t change. If you use a weapon element/endow of the same element of the ball, their bonus will stack. Try out a Holy ball with/without Arspesio (any Crimson Mace element), which will be fixed.

[yamasakai90]

From what Ash explained to me, it does nothing to address the elemental modifier at the end of the cart cannon formula, so no it really isn't a fix.

 

Wait so elemental modifier still works? No one cares about the holy + holy double modifier for Arm Cannon. The impact wasn't game breaking. Could be consider a buff for them.

 

Thats good then, means i can still deal 1.5-2x dmg using converters. As for Holy/Holy.... we don't need that, not with Abyss Dress around anyway. 

[Silvianna]

According to KRO. CC no longer be endowed twice. Only weaponAtk+EquipAtk are endowed.

pretty much like Sigma said, your damage will be decreased by half or so
but it wont affect instance that much, only leveling phase getting harder a bit.

you cant use converter / elemental weapon anymore, it wont affect the CC
its fixed from your cannonball, Neutral, Shadow and Holy but there is also a way to enchant it becoming Half-Fire by using Pyroclastic
another change is you cannot AFK level your homun also change on Sera's Pain Killer which is decreased effect but increased duration.

as for Mechanic's double elemental modifier, it will eventually get fixed as well

Edited by Silvianna, 20 March 2018 - 04:21 PM.

[Sigma1]

pretty much like Sigma said, your damage will be decreased by half or so
but it wont affect instance that much, only leveling phase getting harder a bit.

you cant use converter / elemental weapon anymore, it wont affect the CC
its fixed from your cannonball, Neutral, Shadow and Holy but there is also a way to enchant it becoming Half-Fire by using Pyroclastic
another change is you cannot AFK level your homun also change on Sera's Pain Killer which is decreased effect but increased duration.

as for Mechanic's double elemental modifier, it will eventually get fixed as well

I had wondered about Pyroclastic buff too. After I asked someone. He confirmed that cannon ball element also override pyroclastic buff. So there is no pseudo-fire like nowadays CC. lol

[LordYggdrasill]

also change on Sera's Pain Killer which is decreased effect but increased duration.

Can you elaborate on this part? I don’t seem to remember sera will be nerfed in the update from the earlier thread, thought all homunculus will be buffed instead...

[Silvianna]

I had wondered about Pyroclastic buff too. After I asked someone. He confirmed that cannon ball element also override pyroclastic buff. So there is no pseudo-fire like nowadays CC. lol

 

afaik it should be with Neutral ball ? on patch  note , it says they are giving gene fire elemental but just half of it when using lv 10 Pyroclastic 

[yamasakai90]

So CC become force neutral and is only affected by cannonball's type? Thats quite a nerf since other class can still endow for elemental damage right? 

[vividort]

pretty much like Sigma said, your damage will be decreased by half or so
but it wont affect instance that much, only leveling phase getting harder a bit.

you cant use converter / elemental weapon anymore, it wont affect the CC
its fixed from your cannonball, Neutral, Shadow and Holy but there is also a way to enchant it becoming Half-Fire by using Pyroclastic
another change is you cannot AFK level your homun also change on Sera's Pain Killer which is decreased effect but increased duration.

as for Mechanic's double elemental modifier, it will eventually get fixed as well

 

im clearly confused then, which tests regarding that CC interaction lead to that conclusion? O.o

I've tested current CC with aspersio and there was no change on the damage.

[Silvianna]

Can you elaborate on this part? I don’t seem to remember sera will be nerfed in the update from the earlier thread, thought all homunculus will be buffed instead...

 

there is no further info about that, it says decreased effect but increased the duration

the rest skill is buffed. 

[Silvianna]

im clearly confused then, which tests regarding that CC interaction lead to that conclusion? O.o

I've tested current CC with aspersio and there was no change on the damage.

 

the current CC the modifier endowed twice

 

do test for me, use neutral Bash to monster with 200% weakness to Holy, record the damage

then do Holy Bash , record it also

 

now , use neutral CC to that, record the damage

then Holy CC, also record

upload your samples here

 

 

Always test with full gear. dont forget

Edited by Silvianna, 20 March 2018 - 04:45 PM.

[vividort]

What bash has to do with all this? XD

Currently uploading tests...

Edited by vividort, 20 March 2018 - 04:59 PM.

[Sigma1]

So CC become force neutral and is only affected by cannonball's type? Thats quite a nerf since other class can still endow for elemental damage right?

CC (and Arm Cannon) will be fixed to be the same mechanism.
1. Skill element depends on cannon ball 'only'. Cannon ball's element 'always' overrides any converters and innate weapon element. So 4 elements available for both skills.
2. No longer being endowed twice. Total Atk endowment has been removed.
3. WeaponAtk and EquipAtk are endowed.

[yamasakai90]

CC (and Arm Cannon) will be fixed to be the same mechanism.
3. WeaponAtk and EquipAtk are endowed.

 

Can you elaborate on no.3

 

I tried Neutral Crimson with Holy Cannonballs, Holy Crimson with Iron Cannoballs and Holy Crimson with Holy Cannonballs.

 

Neutral/Holy with Holy Cannonballs does the exact same damage.

Holy Crimson with neutral Cannonballs does less damage than using Holy cannonballs.

 

Tested with OGH undead.