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#26 gengki08

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 04:13 AM

Lol everyone is guerilla now :heh:

 

 

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Going back to the topic, I wonder why the other private servers are able to do balancing... if you will watch some RO YouTube videos, their WOEs have DIVERSE rules and over powering gears are not allowed making the war more of a skill base rather than equipment base... 


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:46 AM

Shield Spell being available to all classes is not a big deal.
Just compare your damage before and after the buff, there is not a game changing difference since BIO5 & OCP gears already made every class' damage really high.

In the contrary, thanks to all of this damage % bonuses from the OCPS, makes the bonus more relevant than ever.
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Posted 16 February 2019 - 04:05 PM

Stop talking about WOE if the participant only consist of 2 guild. I mean its already dead so face it.

Shield spell is nice addition to increase atk because everything increase attack in ocp has ridicioulous price around 2-4b which is unfeasible for new player or mid player.

If you fight cloacking player, you can just cast sight to detect them. Cased closed.
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Posted 16 February 2019 - 05:47 PM

ehhh no


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Posted 16 February 2019 - 06:01 PM

Huh? what is your point then? What I mean from my point of view is Shield Spell takes time to get what you want, what's the essence of your logic giving the RG its capabilities to choose the buffs they need? XD you're not making any sense or you should rephrase your words.
Yes it is not new ( we are all aware of that -_- ), BUT the point here is, it is not EASY to get, you get my point ? Cloaking is available only via MVP EREMES or Frilldora which you can only use via walls, hello!?!? Ringing bells! -_- the comparison between an MVP card with 0.01 drop rate vs to a gear you should upgrade past certain level.

I'm not talking about ROM in general, I'm only stating my observations since almost all of their updates are on that platform.


The point is Shield spell is a RG skill. It doesn’t matter if it takes time to get the right buff, only RG should be able to use it and no non-RG classes should be able to use Shield spell through item. What about Guard that people can also use it. You don’t seem to complain but it is totally not ok with non-thief classes use Cloaking.

MvP card with 0.01% drop rate vs OCP? Is this even new to be surprised? Samurai says hi!

Yes I get your point. Try Maya P. now. You will love this card :P
Anyways, I wonder if people actually use this M. Muffler. It is a big trade off. Not to mention it is easy to counter Cloaking. To be honest, I don’t care if everyone use Guard or Shield spell. I just find it rude that you or anyone complains about non-thief classes using Cloaking.

Edited by nyyaan, 16 February 2019 - 06:04 PM.

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 06:34 PM

lol.  ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^  #justice  :p_smile:

 


Edited by PIayboy, 16 February 2019 - 06:35 PM.

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 08:47 PM

Stop talking about WOE if the participant only consist of 2 guild. I mean its already dead so face it.

Shield spell is nice addition to increase atk because everything increase attack in ocp has ridicioulous price around 2-4b which is unfeasible for new player or mid player.

If you fight cloacking player, you can just cast sight to detect them. Cased closed.

You surely dont fight players much do you, cloaking is now much more destructive than ever and now a lot if not all has access to it, it's not as simple a problem as "solution to a is b so do b" since there are different factors involved specially in woe, ur fighting real people not some predetermined ai

Ps. The greatest drawback of cloaking is that it is only available to one of the most vulnerable class ingame, a class that cant wear a shield if one would even wish to kill another player ( switching? Lol edp) , cloaking helps mend it a bit. Now even tankiest nukes can use it so now what? Lol. Assassin cross card is fair enough since well i doubt everyone can have it but that ocp??

Sura can goh/ef the hell out of you while cloaking and still wear a shield
Dorams can PP you to kingdomecome while cloaking and srill wear a shield
RK can IB/CS/HS for all he cares with cloaking and still wear a shield (not to mention milleniumshield as well)
RG can EB you dead while cloaking
WL can spam CL/CR while cloaking and still wear a shield
Sorc can rip you to shred with VS and still wear a shield

For gx to wear a shield while cloaking? Ok but you have to edp first for switching into katar to kill other player (death sentence)

You dare mention CRS as preemptive strike to kill them before they kill you? Lol cloaking
You out dps their oneshot skills with rc so they cant react on time? Lol shield
You use sight to reveal them then CI? Lol youd be dead before you even get near (sacrifice your own cloaking)
You use menace to reveal them then CI? Their oneshot skills say no

The skill cloaking is a big deal lol you cant just case close it out of lack of interest in woe

Edited by lorenz1375, 16 February 2019 - 09:02 PM.

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 09:28 PM

You surely dont fight players much do you, cloaking is now much more destructive than ever and now a lot if not all has access to it, it's not as simple a problem as "solution to a is b so do b" since there are different factors involved specially in woe, ur fighting real people not some predetermined ai

Ps. The greatest drawback of cloaking is that it is only available to one of the most vulnerable class ingame, a class that cant wear a shield if one would even wish to kill another player ( switching? Lol edp) , cloaking helps mend it a bit. Now even tankiest nukes can use it so now what? Lol. Assassin cross card is fair enough since well i doubt everyone can have it but that ocp??

Sura can goh/ef the hell out of you while cloaking and still wear a shield
Dorams can PP you to kingdomecome while cloaking and srill wear a shield
RK can IB/CS/HS for all he cares with cloaking and still wear a shield (not to mention milleniumshield as well)
RG can EB you dead while cloaking
WL can spam CL/CR while cloaking and still wear a shield
Sorc can rip you to shred with VS and still wear a shield

For gx to wear a shield while cloaking? Ok but you have to edp first for switching into katar to kill other player (death sentence)

You dare mention CRS as preemptive strike to kill them before they kill you? Lol cloaking
You out dps their oneshot skills with rc so they cant react on time? Lol shield
You use sight to reveal them then CI? Lol youd be dead before you even get near (sacrifice your own cloaking)
You use menace to reveal them then CI? Their oneshot skills say no

The skill cloaking is a big deal lol you cant just case close it out of lack of interest in woe


What you saying sounds reasonable. I am gonna try WoE one of these days to see it since no one in Chaos ever makes a WoE video anymore. So I’m not sure how much it’s changed with this MM item.

But yes GX is kind of weak in a big WoE and that’s the point. Now try comparing Sura, Doram or EB RG (as well as VP/CS RG) to GX in PvM area. You will see why GX is and should be weak in WoE. Anyway, no one really cares about WoE and people don’t have to WoE. Loots are trash anyways even WoE is a lot harder to do than PvM.

Edited by nyyaan, 16 February 2019 - 09:31 PM.

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#34 gengki08

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 03:09 AM

The point is Shield spell is a RG skill. It doesn’t matter if it takes time to get the right buff, only RG should be able to use it and no non-RG classes should be able to use Shield spell through item. What about Guard that people can also use it. You don’t seem to complain but it is totally not ok with non-thief classes use Cloaking.

MvP card with 0.01% drop rate vs OCP? Is this even new to be surprised? Samurai says hi!

Yes I get your point. Try Maya P. now. You will love this card :P
Anyways, I wonder if people actually use this M. Muffler. It is a big trade off. Not to mention it is easy to counter Cloaking. To be honest, I don’t care if everyone use Guard or Shield spell. I just find it rude that you or anyone complains about non-thief classes using Cloaking.

 

Men! diversities has to be made to change the gameplay.. the points of this topic is not to hinder that kind of situation but rather to at least BALANCE everything out. You really didn't get the point of this subject matter.

 

Even if I were able to use the skills of other jobs, at least, give it a reasonable amount of standards. Like that of the shield spell.

 

See? all you can say is "is that even new" LOL you're are just here to comprehend some points out of the actual context.


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 03:16 AM

The management is rather lazy or focused more on squeezing every penny they can squeeze on us.

The solution to all of these concern is VERY SIMPLE and yet nothing has come to light (-_-)

 

I love Ragna, I made friends here and I just can't imagine if it will suffer the same fate as ROSE.

 

THOR is dying GM's!! get your feet workin!


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 03:17 AM

You surely dont fight players much do you, cloaking is now much more destructive than ever and now a lot if not all has access to it, it's not as simple a problem as "solution to a is b so do b" since there are different factors involved specially in woe, ur fighting real people not some predetermined ai

Ps. The greatest drawback of cloaking is that it is only available to one of the most vulnerable class ingame, a class that cant wear a shield if one would even wish to kill another player ( switching? Lol edp) , cloaking helps mend it a bit. Now even tankiest nukes can use it so now what? Lol. Assassin cross card is fair enough since well i doubt everyone can have it but that ocp??

Sura can goh/ef the hell out of you while cloaking and still wear a shield
Dorams can PP you to kingdomecome while cloaking and srill wear a shield
RK can IB/CS/HS for all he cares with cloaking and still wear a shield (not to mention milleniumshield as well)
RG can EB you dead while cloaking
WL can spam CL/CR while cloaking and still wear a shield
Sorc can rip you to shred with VS and still wear a shield

For gx to wear a shield while cloaking? Ok but you have to edp first for switching into katar to kill other player (death sentence)

You dare mention CRS as preemptive strike to kill them before they kill you? Lol cloaking
You out dps their oneshot skills with rc so they cant react on time? Lol shield
You use sight to reveal them then CI? Lol youd be dead before you even get near (sacrifice your own cloaking)
You use menace to reveal them then CI? Their oneshot skills say no

The skill cloaking is a big deal lol you cant just case close it out of lack of interest in woe


When I do, my ranger in nolimit couldn't kill a single RK because he using full long range reduction and that effin gambler seal.

Long range reduction should be capped.
Demi human reduction also must be capped.
Max Damage Should be capped.
Certain cooldown skill must be increased.

Thats what we called balanced.
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#37 gengki08

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 03:18 AM

You surely dont fight players much do you, cloaking is now much more destructive than ever and now a lot if not all has access to it, it's not as simple a problem as "solution to a is b so do b" since there are different factors involved specially in woe, ur fighting real people not some predetermined ai

Ps. The greatest drawback of cloaking is that it is only available to one of the most vulnerable class ingame, a class that cant wear a shield if one would even wish to kill another player ( switching? Lol edp) , cloaking helps mend it a bit. Now even tankiest nukes can use it so now what? Lol. Assassin cross card is fair enough since well i doubt everyone can have it but that ocp??

Sura can goh/ef the hell out of you while cloaking and still wear a shield
Dorams can PP you to kingdomecome while cloaking and srill wear a shield
RK can IB/CS/HS for all he cares with cloaking and still wear a shield (not to mention milleniumshield as well)
RG can EB you dead while cloaking
WL can spam CL/CR while cloaking and still wear a shield
Sorc can rip you to shred with VS and still wear a shield

For gx to wear a shield while cloaking? Ok but you have to edp first for switching into katar to kill other player (death sentence)

You dare mention CRS as preemptive strike to kill them before they kill you? Lol cloaking
You out dps their oneshot skills with rc so they cant react on time? Lol shield
You use sight to reveal them then CI? Lol youd be dead before you even get near (sacrifice your own cloaking)
You use menace to reveal them then CI? Their oneshot skills say no

The skill cloaking is a big deal lol you cant just case close it out of lack of interest in woe

 

Finally! someone with a clever mind! High Five!

 

GOING BACK TO THE TOPIC.

 

GMs! Can we disable this gear in WOE???? (Instant Cloaking)


Edited by gengki08, 17 February 2019 - 03:22 AM.

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 03:38 AM

Men! diversities has to be made to change the gameplay.. the points of this topic is not to hinder that kind of situation but rather to at least BALANCE everything out. You really didn't get the point of this subject matter.

Even if I were able to use the skills of other jobs, at least, give it a reasonable amount of standards. Like that of the shield spell.

See? all you can say is "is that even new" LOL you're are just here to comprehend some points out of the actual context.


I’m here to point out your contradiction my man. What line do you draw to decide what is reasonable and what is not, for example, Shield spell/Guard are okay but Cloaking is not okay :P

The management is rather lazy or focused more on squeezing every penny they can squeeze on us.
The solution to all of these concern is VERY SIMPLE and yet nothing has come to light (-_-)

I love Ragna, I made friends here and I just can't imagine if it will suffer the same fate as ROSE.

THOR is dying GM's!! get your feet workin!


Come to Chaos. I will help you level up and we can be bff in WoE hahaha

Edited by nyyaan, 17 February 2019 - 03:38 AM.

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 03:57 AM

I’m here to point out your contradiction my man. What line do you draw to decide what is reasonable and what is not, for example, Shield spell/Guard are okay but Cloaking is not okay :P


Come to Chaos. I will help you level up and we can be bff in WoE hahaha

 

No, your contradictions is a little bit out of the context, you are directing the topic to a subject matter which can be classified as another point of issue.

 

Do I really need to explain? read the reply from the clever girl above and from someone pointed out the use of SS. You can pretty much get a lot of ideas from them.  Comparing Cloaking and Shield spell is like comparing an orange to an apple (-_-) but that is not the issue, the issue is actually why did the GMs allowed the use of such in WOE..

 

I miss Oda... during his time these devilish OCPs do not EXIST (>.<)


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 04:10 AM

but honestly the game is clearly more imbalanced then. Now the contents are a joke to every class so it’s fair, but back then if you play anything outside a GX or gene and don’t have MVP cards, you are honestly wasting a lot of time.

The OVP gears are mostly great, but they could use a bit of less cash grab in them to make the game more playable in general, like putting some of them into game contents or events rather than all box only.
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Posted 17 February 2019 - 04:17 AM

Wonder how many people in this thread actually WoEs or just WoEs on the forum  :p_laugh:


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 05:12 AM

not me, haven't touched iRO's WOE since the first day i played this game.

 

Only answered because the topics of ocp were touched...


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 06:28 AM

Wonder how many people in this thread actually WoEs or just WoEs on the forum :p_laugh:

I am no longer WOE but triggered by some poster who ranting about shield spell.
Just leave the shield spell as now. As pvm player, shield spell increase quality of mvp, farming, and leveling.

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 06:28 AM

No, your contradictions is a little bit out of the context, you are directing the topic to a subject matter which can be classified as another point of issue.

Do I really need to explain? read the reply from the clever girl above and from someone pointed out the use of SS. You can pretty much get a lot of ideas from them. Comparing Cloaking and Shield spell is like comparing an orange to an apple (-_-) but that is not the issue, the issue is actually why did the GMs allowed the use of such in WOE..

I miss Oda... during his time these devilish OCPs do not EXIST (>.<)


No, ok hahaha

Edited by nyyaan, 17 February 2019 - 06:31 AM.

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 08:08 AM

Wonder how many people in this thread actually WoEs or just WoEs on the forum :p_laugh:


Like 4 people
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Posted 17 February 2019 - 02:13 PM

I woe but on a different planet called thor sadly :heh:
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Posted 20 February 2019 - 08:15 AM

can we have another muffler which we can use snap and zen and fury at +5 of the item.


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Posted 06 March 2019 - 05:34 AM

Interested to see non suras cast Rising Dragon lol
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Posted 06 March 2019 - 07:32 AM

Chaser GoH when
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Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:53 AM

If you think mysterious muff is some kind of advantage to other jobs, then stop playing gx and enjoy the benefit of using cloaking lvl 3. 
We can all play non gx job, and play cloak, sight and sneak to level our game play with mystery muff user.   
A big YES for me :gawi:   

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