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#26 AaronP2W

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Posted 25 June 2020 - 01:33 PM

+1 add strawberry to NPC


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Posted 25 June 2020 - 01:35 PM

+1 add it pls 


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Posted 25 June 2020 - 02:11 PM

LMAO WTF


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Posted 25 June 2020 - 02:46 PM

+1 it's become out of control this stuff market


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Posted 25 June 2020 - 02:57 PM

its time to bring those botters down...lets go..


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Posted 25 June 2020 - 04:14 PM

+1


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 05:34 PM

+1


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 03:53 AM

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Posted 27 June 2020 - 05:04 AM

Warpportal should really consider this idea. This will ultimately kill the artificial inflation in the server where mostly botters benefit lol

The price of sp items in RT are more expensive than Chaos

However, in the pricing of the SP items, WP should set it where its around a good spot such as Straws at 2k zeny etc. And also consider an increment increase of the pricing of the SP items at around 1%-2% monthly or every quarter of the year to also stimulate the proper inflation in game
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Posted 27 June 2020 - 05:14 AM

If this had been implemented this week I wouldn't had to pay so much on my supplies to play WoE this Saturday.


Strawberry 9k
Honey 11k
Blue Potion 30k
Orange 5k
Lemon 8k

Bot owner is laughing at me right now.


Edited by GetsugaHollow, 27 June 2020 - 05:16 AM.

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Posted 27 June 2020 - 06:29 AM

GM's please consider this and communicate with us. 


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 06:50 AM

Awww -_-, and its WoE tonight again. Rip my wallet.
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Posted 27 June 2020 - 07:20 PM

I'm just gonna ask at what price though. Bots will just adjust the price to be slightly lower than NPC price.

 

The effect that unlimited SP items have on gameplay though, whats that gonna be?

 

Unless these two question could be answered.

 

Also **coughs** Light Blue Pots~ Time to implement it?


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 07:35 PM

you know why we came to this term

 

we acknowledge that the bots have won, they will be in this server until it dies

 

which isnt what this server originally promotes.


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 07:51 PM

I'm just gonna ask at what price though. Bots will just adjust the price to be slightly lower than NPC price.

 

The effect that unlimited SP items have on gameplay though, whats that gonna be?

 

Unless these two question could be answered.

 

Also **coughs** Light Blue Pots~ Time to implement it?

I think the fair price on NPC is
 
Strawberry 1,500z
Lemon 700z
Grape 450z
 
This would stabilize the value of SP items and there would be no further manipulation, just like Mastela Fruit did with Condensed Potion.
 
There will be better items for better SP recovery, but their drop origin should be changed to higher level monsters where bots can't collect.

Edited by GetsugaHollow, 27 June 2020 - 07:51 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 02:49 AM

 

I think the fair price on NPC is
 
Strawberry 1,500z
Lemon 700z
Grape 450z
 
This would stabilize the value of SP items and there would be no further manipulation, just like Mastela Fruit did with Condensed Potion.
 
There will be better items for better SP recovery, but their drop origin should be changed to higher level monsters where bots can't collect.

 

 

Just using the numbers quoted as reference. 

 

What will you do if the bots vend them as following

 

Strawberry 1,000z

Lemon 500z

Grape 300z

 

I mean it will make their zeny collection a bit slower, but does it matter to them? They are bots afterall.

 

And not everyone will choose to buy it from npc, since they can get it cheaper. Whatever price you can set, the bots can undercut cause it doesn't cost them anything.

 

What this achieve though is that it forces bots to farm something else thats more profitable, and the SP items has a price ceiling (npc price). Won't solve the bot problem but will solve your SP item problems.


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Posted 28 June 2020 - 03:07 AM

Just using the numbers quoted as reference.

What will you do if the bots vend them as following

Strawberry 1,000z
Lemon 500z
Grape 300z

I mean it will make their zeny collection a bit slower, but does it matter to them? They are bots afterall.

And not everyone will choose to buy it from npc, since they can get it cheaper. Whatever price you can set, the bots can undercut cause it doesn't cost them anything.

What this achieve though is that it forces bots to farm something else thats more profitable, and the SP items has a price ceiling (npc price). Won't solve the bot problem but will solve your SP item problems.


Well I guarantee you, bots will be gone once this NPC is implemented, and btw as far as I know botters cost them to pay a monthly fee! That is the reason for this super expensive pots and then the zeny they collect they rotate to sell rmt.

If the prices of the sp pots is stabilized in an ncp, BOTS will be gone because it will not be profitable for them anymore!

So lets do this @Campitor! This must be done to end the bots!!!
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Posted 28 June 2020 - 04:29 AM

It will only stop bots if the math adds up to not being worth farming those items per how much it costs to run them. If they can vend it for lower than that and still profit, they'd still be there.
And if you want to lower the price of the consumables to the point of getting rid of bots in that market, you now have a new problem where sp consumables are so easily avaiable and cheap that the game fundamentaly changes how it is played.
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Posted 28 June 2020 - 05:06 AM

It will only stop bots if the math adds up to not being worth farming those items per how much it costs to run them. If they can vend it for lower than that and still profit, they'd still be there.
And if you want to lower the price of the consumables to the point of getting rid of bots in that market, you now have a new problem where sp consumables are so easily avaiable and cheap that the game fundamentaly changes how it is played.

 

Or they will resort to farm Yggs and just cards as those are what will be left bottable. But with this, I don't think botters can survive and pay their monthly fee by just selling cards and yggs.

 

But as of now, I think it is very obvious that the sp pots are their bread and butter in order to make a profit. Knocking this out, they wont bot anymore. 


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Posted 28 June 2020 - 05:23 AM

Just using the numbers quoted as reference. 

 

What will you do if the bots vend them as following

 

Strawberry 1,000z

Lemon 500z

Grape 300z

 

I mean it will make their zeny collection a bit slower, but does it matter to them? They are bots afterall.

 

And not everyone will choose to buy it from npc, since they can get it cheaper. Whatever price you can set, the bots can undercut cause it doesn't cost them anything.

 

What this achieve though is that it forces bots to farm something else thats more profitable, and the SP items has a price ceiling (npc price). Won't solve the bot problem but will solve your SP item problems.

Given the scenario that the server is on, 1,500z is nothing for a bot and for sure he would invest in more profitable items. I can make a list of items etc that cost more than 3,000z which should also be changed and be sold at 1z on npc until they find a solution for the EAC.
 
The point is that there are no players collecting SP items, prices are abusive because there are only bots doing this and even what they collect does not meet the server's need.
This isn't a 3rd class server and probably never will be. If the concern is skill spam, I need to tell you that it happens with or without SP items being sold at the NPC

Edited by GetsugaHollow, 28 June 2020 - 05:28 AM.

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 05:32 AM

I want to remember that we already live a time before Renewal when Strawberry was sold in Moscovia at 500z. Good times by the way


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Posted 28 June 2020 - 07:50 AM

strawberry vending at 3k each would be a massive zeny sink, reduce zeny going to bots, and benefit guilds preparing for woe


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Posted 28 June 2020 - 08:09 AM

It will only stop bots if the math adds up to not being worth farming those items per how much it costs to run them. If they can vend it for lower than that and still profit, they'd still be there.
And if you want to lower the price of the consumables to the point of getting rid of bots in that market, you now have a new problem where sp consumables are so easily avaiable and cheap that the game fundamentaly changes how it is played.


That's Chaos ... rolf, and people still quit anyway.
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Posted 28 June 2020 - 02:14 PM

Just using the numbers quoted as reference. 

 

What will you do if the bots vend them as following

 

Strawberry 1,000z

Lemon 500z

Grape 300z

 

I mean it will make their zeny collection a bit slower, but does it matter to them? They are bots afterall.

 

And not everyone will choose to buy it from npc, since they can get it cheaper. Whatever price you can set, the bots can undercut cause it doesn't cost them anything.

 

What this achieve though is that it forces bots to farm something else thats more profitable, and the SP items has a price ceiling (npc price). Won't solve the bot problem but will solve your SP item problems.

 

Just make their sell to npc price 0 or 1.

It's not like actual players ever npc sp items.

Did you know royal jelly sells to npc for like 4,3XX with overcharge?

Of course not, because why in gods name would anyone npc them other than bots.


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Posted 28 June 2020 - 09:25 PM

> sp items are being sold at npc
> some bots continue farming sp items and selling cheaper than npc
> people that uses bot to farm their own stuff, will bot at maps that are more profitable to buy their sp stuff at npc
> zeny seller bots continues to inject zeny into the server and people still buys from them
> you use this same zeny you bought from zeny seller and buy strawberry cheaper than npc, returning the zeny to its owner and inflating even more the server.

The only way this problem ends is to make farmable ways to obtain items and ban bots, if this same way is to kill monsters.

Every other solution will only -_- up the server even more.
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