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#26 ChakriGuard

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Posted 03 September 2021 - 03:55 PM

Thats not how the conversion should work tho. Let me get a real example from bRO:

 

Catherina Von Blood is through direct sale on kafra shop this week. It came like 2 or 3 times through ticket (would be their OCP/lottery system) at 0.1% ~ 0.3%.

 

Each ticket costs around 1k Rops (their KP), at lets say 0.2% chance, would be like 500k Rops. However, they are selling if for 12k Rops (as you can see, waaaay below this dumb conversion method).

 

Im not asking for new items that are on kachua to be added through direct sale. Im asking for the cash shop to have a rotation, with old items that have been on OCPs and kachuas a long time ago to be sold through direct sale, at a reasonable price.

 

Well, I doubt WP will be willing to sell any specific items for less. If you dont like RNG, then you might as well buy directly from other player? I mean, buying off from another player has always been the most practical method if yo wanna save money/zeny. RNG is for fun. 


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 06:27 AM

Well, I doubt WP will be willing to sell any specific items for less. If you dont like RNG, then you might as well buy directly from other player? I mean, buying off from another player has always been the most practical method if yo wanna save money/zeny. RNG is for fun. 

 

Hard to buy items for zeny when they are overpriced because of the fact that they havent been in the cash shop for decades. HBP for example is more than 200m for a +0. It used to be less than 50m for one.

 

Also, fun is relative. I mean, no fun at all when u spend tons of KP to get alchemist boxes lol


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 08:01 AM

The correct word is expensive, not overpriced*


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 10:30 AM

The correct word is expensive, not overpriced*

 

https://dictionary.c...gles/overpriced


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 10:39 AM

We were temporarily blessed with the ygg ascension system which was, for whatever faults it had, the least-worst of RNG boxes. At the least it had some guaranteed milestones and reduced the RNG range a bit. 

 

 


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 11:10 AM

We were temporarily blessed with the ygg ascension system which was, for whatever faults it had, the least-worst of RNG boxes. At the least it had some guaranteed milestones and reduced the RNG range a bit. 

 

Ygg ascencion was indeed the best we had on iRO. Sad to have it replaced with a system as bad as Kachua.


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 01:42 PM

Overpriced puts emphasis that it is supposed to cost less. It's not a 1:1 synonym

Items prices change based on avialability and desirability, that's purely supply and demand. The item not being supplied for a long time doesn't make it overpriced, it makes it expensive.

An overpriced item is if the item is agreed to be worth around X but someone is charging X+Y. And the market view of what the "agreed upon" worth of an item changes based on availability and desirability.


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 02:13 PM

omg I just remembered why this thread feels so familiar to me...

 

https://forums.warpp...or-power-creep/

 

Right after this is when we got Ygg Ascension iirc.


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 04:42 PM

omg I just remembered why this thread feels so familiar to me...

 

https://forums.warpp...or-power-creep/

 

Right after this is when we got Ygg Ascension iirc.

 

That is kind of the idea. The ammount of RNG in this game is stupid.

You have to pray you get an item from the RNG kachua/ocp/whatever, then you have to pray you get your item to the desired refine level. Some items are stupid to the point where they require 15 refine level in an armor type of gear.

 

They were able to kind of fix part of it with refine certificates, but those are also obtained through RNG, so no fix there.

 

Some countries, if im not mistaken, actually do not allow this kind of gambling in games, since its basically a Casino. I know those are allowed in some parts of the US, but there are countries that ban it.

 

(Brazilians call bRO "Casinarok", and thats cause they have direct sales in cash shop, imagine if they didn't)

 

Anyways, im tired of watching people spending a -_- ton of money in RNG stuff while not getting what they want, literally keeping this company alive at their cost. I know we should support the game we love, but u know, i'd rather not support it unless they make it better for the players, not only for their pocket.

 

P.S: Also, I watch your videos since you did that knight leveling speedrun. Keep up the good work.


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 06:40 PM

If anything, I agree that WP should keep firesales on 24/7. Then its up to players to either open OCP boxes themselves or buy from other players.


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Posted 05 September 2021 - 06:48 AM

If anything, I agree that WP should keep firesales on 24/7. Then its up to players to either open OCP boxes themselves or buy from other players.

Tho not the optimal solution, it would fix part of the problem, yes.


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Posted 05 September 2021 - 07:34 AM

Kachua ... RNG in RNG in RNG system... 
If ppl could just stop support their Kachua system and hurt their sales so that WP take notice their system is bad. (Some more they announce ppl who get rare item from Kachua...eww...)
Then they might change to a better more rngless friendly economic system.
But we have lots of rich kid here xD.


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Posted 05 September 2021 - 10:27 AM

Kachua ... RNG in RNG in RNG system... 
If ppl could just stop support their Kachua system and hurt their sales so that WP take notice their system is bad. (Some more they announce ppl who get rare item from Kachua...eww...)
Then they might change to a better more rngless friendly economic system.
But we have lots of rich kid here xD.

 

That will only really happen if the whole community organizes itself and start protesting. We need riots lol.

But of course, that wont happen...


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Posted 05 September 2021 - 10:56 AM

You can add all the cash shop items you like, but it won't mean a thing if there are rarely any game-related updates.

 

We've been sitting at a 175 level cap 3rd Job class since 2014 while the mobile game has already been enjoying 4th Job class options since June 2020.


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Posted 05 September 2021 - 12:21 PM

You can add all the cash shop items you like, but it won't mean a thing if there are rarely any game-related updates.

 

We've been sitting at a 175 level cap 3rd Job class since 2014 while the mobile game has already been enjoying 4th Job class options since June 2020.

Idk if you read it, but im not asking for new items. Im asking for old items.

 

Everyone knows this server is outdated and we've been asking for faster updates for a long time, but as I recall, we had no success in it.


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Posted 05 September 2021 - 07:19 PM

Idk if you read it, but im not asking for new items. Im asking for old items.

Everyone knows this server is outdated and we've been asking for faster updates for a long time, but as I recall, we had no success in it.


Because ppl are hesitant in whaling, unlike thRO or twRO

kRO follow the money
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Posted 05 September 2021 - 10:25 PM

Because ppl are hesitant in whaling, unlike thRO or twRO

kRO follow the money


Already ahead of iRO in some aspects. It’s on 16.2 … with complete updates lol
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Posted 06 September 2021 - 04:45 AM

Anyways, im tired of watching people spending a -_- ton of money in RNG stuff while not getting what they want, literally keeping this company alive at their cost. I know we should support the game we love, but u know, i'd rather not support it unless they make it better for the players, not only for their pocket.

 

P.S: Also, I watch your videos since you did that knight leveling speedrun. Keep up the good work.

 

Thanks :)

 

I haven't had much interest in making videos these days. I wish Star Emperor and Soul Reaper would come out already. But my sadness about how far away the game is from its potential greatness is turning me off from logging on. Just on the forums more now to substitute playing and because I can't seem to fully get away from the game.

 

Gravity pulled in nearly 400 million last year and we can't get an update. Fricken great company dude.


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Posted 06 September 2021 - 05:07 AM

Thanks :)

 

I haven't had much interest in making videos these days. I wish Star Emperor and Soul Reaper would come out already. But my sadness about how far away the game is from its potential greatness is turning me off from logging on. Just on the forums more now to substitute playing and because I can't seem to fully get away from the game.

 

Gravity pulled in nearly 400 million last year and we can't get an update. Fricken great company dude.

Kinda off-topic by this point, but eh, it relates to the many reasons as to 'why' a lot of us more established iRO fans just can't seem to find a good enough reason to log in. I can cite all the conveniences that we've lost through ROPD/Ragial/etc, we can complain about how cash shop iteration 'x' is awful, but really... 

 

There's been very little PERMANENT content implemented since The Big Hiatus™. The major skill rebalance thingy during hiatus was neat! The problem is that this is the only thing that iRO has put out that genuinely interested me since Hiatus. Booster event? established player like me doesn't need more 175'd chars, we need SOMETHING TO DO with these 175s. This sealed card MVP thingy almost sounded neat? But the rewards sound fairly flawed and put me off of trying to gear up a totally meta top tier all OCP/kachua/etc gear'd out team, since that's what it sounded like I needed just to make attempts. Still, it sounded easier and more fun to just do Endless Tower or burn up zeny through Bloody Branch parties (not really sustainable). Daily rewards were inconsistent and broken, a lot of the other events I've seen are repeats of stuff I've already seen...

 

I've had close to the max amount of KP able to be kept on a single account that's been sitting there since before Hiatus because it all feels like a huge waste. Consumables I'll never use, gear that's niche and junky, then RNG inside RNG inside RNG..... guess I'll end up just buying Refined Ore boxes or w/e boring crap I usually grab. If I can find a reason to log in someday. 


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Posted 06 September 2021 - 05:48 AM

Thanks :)

 

I haven't had much interest in making videos these days. I wish Star Emperor and Soul Reaper would come out already. But my sadness about how far away the game is from its potential greatness is turning me off from logging on. Just on the forums more now to substitute playing and because I can't seem to fully get away from the game.

 

Gravity pulled in nearly 400 million last year and we can't get an update. Fricken great company dude.

 

Yea it sucks that they delay SE and SR so much its been 3 years now since they are released on KRO. After looking at the releases of other expanded classes i saw that most came to IRO within a year or 2 max from their release on KRO. Interestingly doram was the fastest and came within 3 months of their release on KRO.


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Posted 09 September 2021 - 05:19 AM

the RNG within RNG, starting with having the class shadows all in one box, the poring capsule, the Temporal Manteau box. the Recent Kachua drops are depreciated after the June Kachua where peepz purchased due to refine event and Kachua Ore boxes + Ruff Officer and Cursed Knight Shield as chance drops, after that the loot drops became "meh", goral crown isn't useful yet, 1% chances for the new Celine K stuff. at least the May Kachua with the bearer set was "bearable" because the items you don't want to draw like the engineer's cap and the wrong ignis cap had really low rates and you want bearer set pieces along with the shadow enchant boxes over the other stuff.  :dunno:

 

updates to the game are way more needed over lootbox and cash shop content. look at the costumes, you got newer enchant stones, yet the ones you trade for a chance to get the new stones aren't enchantable yet, the Piamette ribbon sprite was left unfixed, and some of the costume box contents aren't tradable for stones yet (the steampunk, and the one with ancient resonance), level cap increase was teased again and again, yet it's been delayed for a very long time


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Posted 14 September 2021 - 12:21 PM

I made a point discussing exactly this and was flamed for it now here it is again someone else has brought it up.  It all boils down to greed, you can blame warp portal for the hideous Kachua system to a point, but ultimately it comes down to the players, who support this abusive practice, due either to the fact that they cant keep their heads above water in this inflated economy or because they are the progenitors of the inflation. I have been guilty of this in the past myself just trying to stay afloat in an abusive economy state, but I refuse to spend anymore...I cannot support this anymore.  The greed has become too egregious people are selling items for billions, that's all fine and good for the 10 people that have cornered this market and have been cycling billions between each other to buy MVP cards etc. There are about 5 or 6 vendor clusters on this server belonging to just as many individuals...you know what i am talking about the lines of vendors attached to one account.  Of course there are those who have made blacksmiths just to warp around low TI, and take other peoples loot warp looting as it were...a despicable practice, and because LOW TI is so flooded with creatures, and the people there in have to deal with the mobs or die...getting to loot is rare before someone warp loots your stuff away.

 

The cash shop items are too good, this has created a game where everyone runs around solo, and is basically unwilling to share xp/time/loot because it is more profitable to fly solo.  In the past what made this game great was getting together with a party and each person having something to offer, the High Wizards doing aoe, the High Priests buffing and healing, Paladins pulling, Snipers putting down Protective traps...NOW that's dead, everyone is just a power house and a party unto themselves.

Warp Portal your game has been taken away from you, because you refuse to make OCP items more accessible creating a real economy where a player can choose your boxes or buying from another player.  You have allowed these Dozen or so people to dictate how each item release goes.  What is more egregious is the Rng within Rng system they are now facilitating it should make you sick that you are now rolling the dice to roll the dice.  You legit have better odds in a Casino that is saying something.

Well i think its time to retire this game.  See what happens in a few years.  Either the dozen people who have cornered this market will simply dominate the market completely and set prices to whatever they want making the game completely in accessible or Warp Portal will wake up, start releasing updates more regularly, why are we missing fundamental updates...Increased levels, Character Releases, Dungeons...start putting items in the game that matter...not just unsellable trash that no one uses anymore.  Let there be a way for dedicated players to compete with Whales.  Something has to be said for time investment. You seem to be able to put out new costumes monthly...NO one cares there are so damn many costumes to choose from, you almost have more costumes than useable gear STOP...Worry about Critical updates first, then get into the minutia of cosmetics.

Please take the USELESS CRAP OUT OF KACHUA at the very least, no more, freaking HE Battle Manuals, no more Alchemist Boxes, Ygg berry boxes, ENOUGH of the filler.  You have more than enough items, that you can put in Useful things like Blacksmith Blessing in a decent quantity, bloody branches need to be more than 1 or 2 that -_- feels really bad.  Shadow Enchant boxes, Shadow refines, low refine certs.  All of these are much better low end items, Does anyone even use the damn Ygg Boxes or are they just stacking up?

 

WoE is a miserable waste of time you truly want to feel the gap between the players who have Billions vs Everyone else play WoE go get one shot by an invincible MVP carded WHATEVER. Thats my two cents okay FLAME ON!!!


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Posted 14 September 2021 - 12:27 PM

Ok no one is happy. Time to jump on RO Origins!
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Posted 14 September 2021 - 03:41 PM

I made a point discussing exactly this and was flamed for it now here it is again someone else has brought it up.  It all boils down to greed, you can blame warp portal for the hideous Kachua system to a point, but ultimately it comes down to the players, who support this abusive practice, due either to the fact that they cant keep their heads above water in this inflated economy or because they are the progenitors of the inflation. I have been guilty of this in the past myself just trying to stay afloat in an abusive economy state, but I refuse to spend anymore...I cannot support this anymore.  The greed has become too egregious people are selling items for billions, that's all fine and good for the 10 people that have cornered this market and have been cycling billions between each other to buy MVP cards etc. There are about 5 or 6 vendor clusters on this server belonging to just as many individuals...you know what i am talking about the lines of vendors attached to one account.  Of course there are those who have made blacksmiths just to warp around low TI, and take other peoples loot warp looting as it were...a despicable practice, and because LOW TI is so flooded with creatures, and the people there in have to deal with the mobs or die...getting to loot is rare before someone warp loots your stuff away.

 

The cash shop items are too good, this has created a game where everyone runs around solo, and is basically unwilling to share xp/time/loot because it is more profitable to fly solo.  In the past what made this game great was getting together with a party and each person having something to offer, the High Wizards doing aoe, the High Priests buffing and healing, Paladins pulling, Snipers putting down Protective traps...NOW that's dead, everyone is just a power house and a party unto themselves.

Warp Portal your game has been taken away from you, because you refuse to make OCP items more accessible creating a real economy where a player can choose your boxes or buying from another player.  You have allowed these Dozen or so people to dictate how each item release goes.  What is more egregious is the Rng within Rng system they are now facilitating it should make you sick that you are now rolling the dice to roll the dice.  You legit have better odds in a Casino that is saying something.

Well i think its time to retire this game.  See what happens in a few years.  Either the dozen people who have cornered this market will simply dominate the market completely and set prices to whatever they want making the game completely in accessible or Warp Portal will wake up, start releasing updates more regularly, why are we missing fundamental updates...Increased levels, Character Releases, Dungeons...start putting items in the game that matter...not just unsellable trash that no one uses anymore.  Let there be a way for dedicated players to compete with Whales.  Something has to be said for time investment. You seem to be able to put out new costumes monthly...NO one cares there are so damn many costumes to choose from, you almost have more costumes than useable gear STOP...Worry about Critical updates first, then get into the minutia of cosmetics.

Please take the USELESS CRAP OUT OF KACHUA at the very least, no more, freaking HE Battle Manuals, no more Alchemist Boxes, Ygg berry boxes, ENOUGH of the filler.  You have more than enough items, that you can put in Useful things like Blacksmith Blessing in a decent quantity, bloody branches need to be more than 1 or 2 that -_- feels really bad.  Shadow Enchant boxes, Shadow refines, low refine certs.  All of these are much better low end items, Does anyone even use the damn Ygg Boxes or are they just stacking up?

 

WoE is a miserable waste of time you truly want to feel the gap between the players who have Billions vs Everyone else play WoE go get one shot by an invincible MVP carded WHATEVER. Thats my two cents okay FLAME ON!!!

 

Thats actually the point, but we know that warpportal aint changing -_-, cause they suck. This company was awesome back in 2014-2016. Now they are horrible.


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Posted 14 September 2021 - 08:47 PM

Not a bad idea to put some gears in the kafra shop, some utility gears for rookies like Faw, Hbp, Survivor orb, not super meta items but useful things you can grab at any moment without waiting for them to return in kachua
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