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#1 worldeditor95

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 05:28 AM

Dear @campitor so far we already did some testing of what happened with CC damage, this is what we found so far


"-Cylinder boots has a hidden +2 str bonus not mentioned in the description, which isn't in the original item either.    +2 STR given from firelock card

-Cylinder boots doesn't activate either the atk% nor the CC boost bonuses at all.(atk% doesn't work on other skills/autos)
-Midas Whisper by itself also doesn't boost CC damage. (there's still a slight dmg increase due to atk, stats and ranged%)
-Wearing both increases CC damage, but by a value that is higher than one of them fully working, less than both fully working."
  credit goes to ashuckel

- +14 OMH gives proper CC damage boost but +12OMH doesnt give CC damage mod, tested on below level 175 and it still bugged with +12 OMH.


all test are done without buff / any other gear (naked), lvl 180 Gene. lvl65 job
100 str
2 agi
90 vit
120int
120 dex
1 luk

*number is in CC damage to egg with 5 soft def

Naked 6,745
+9 cylinder boots 6,795 
+12 OMH (lvl3 mette and 2x agi enchant) 7,858
+12 saphir OS (no enchant) (1AK 1WK) 15,829
 
OMH + boots = 16,039
OMH + saphir = 41,205
saphir + boots = 34,205


same scenario with cylinder hairband too



FIXED ON 5TH  & 12TH MAY PATCHNOTES

Edited by worldeditor95, 12 May 2022 - 09:35 PM.

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#2 Ashuckel

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 05:32 AM

This seems to be the case with every piece of equipment in the game that boosts CC damage%, wearing it by itself doesn't do anything. Wearing 2 or more pieces will add some CC damage %, that is less than the sum of both items, but more than a single one of them(or the middle point value between the two)


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 05:36 AM

what is this mess


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 05:45 AM

the result probably will be "after thoroughly investigation, there is no problem ;) "

 


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 05:57 AM

@camp please put this as priority to fix. unlike FAS ranger, they have other method to properly play the game / class such as AS build, Crit build, even aimed bolt or trapper. but Geneticts only have cart tornado (which is quite bad even how much u try to boost it) or acid bomb, this will heavily impaired the class.


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 06:36 AM

Thank you for posting this! It has been so frustrating to use my Gen for the past few weeks. Hope something gets done. 


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 08:23 AM

seems to me the cart cannon bonus are being applied only to the +something part of the atk?

naked = strAtk + 0

 

EDIT: if that's the case, an over upgraded crimson mace should lead to more damage than sapphire. i don't have the means to try that...


Edited by RonSilver, 08 February 2022 - 08:26 AM.

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 08:44 AM

now days, being player are very difficult, have to test those bugs for the team..


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 08:54 AM

some further testing, a +14 midas was working correctly with a lvl 175 genetic. The issue might be related to the new level cap. If people can check the CC gears with lower than 175 characters to provide data it'd help


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#10 RonSilver

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 09:16 AM

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EDIT: ok, a couple more tests to compare:

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Edited by RonSilver, 08 February 2022 - 09:37 AM.

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 09:22 AM

some further testing, a +14 midas was working correctly with a lvl 175 genetic. The issue might be related to the new level cap. If people can check the CC gears with lower than 175 characters to provide data it'd help

tested on lvl 130 Gene, only wearing +9 cylinder hairband and nothing else. 

CC vs izlude egg
 

CC damage:
3804 naked
4035+9 cylinder
 
Auto attack
229 naked
239 +9 cylinder


 

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 09:32 AM

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lvl 132 here. actually, less damage with the boots on lol

 

EDIT: ok, a couple more tests to compare:

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Nah, you had Cart Boost active on pic 1, and it fell off on pic 2 with the shoes on. The boots are doing 0 for you, positive or negative,


125+125+250+50 = 550 atk * 10.87(1087% cc dmg formula with your int) = 5978 - 5 soft def= 5973


Without cart boost: 125+125+250 = 500 atk *10.87 = 5435 - 5 soft def = 5430


*You activated cart boost again*


130+130+250+50= 560 * 11.18 = 6260 - 5 = 6255

*Cart Boost fell off*

 

125+125+250+95 = 592 *10.87 = 6467 - 5 = 6462


Edited by Ashuckel, 08 February 2022 - 09:38 AM.

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#13 RonSilver

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 09:36 AM

Nah, you had Cart Boost active on pic 1, and it fell off on pic 2 with the shoes on. The boots are doing 0 for you, positive or negative,

 

true, my bad. 0 change with boots

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 09:40 AM

k with some atk

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Edited by RonSilver, 08 February 2022 - 09:41 AM.

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 10:00 AM

last one, no weapon variance

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 02:28 PM

Nah, you had Cart Boost active on pic 1, and it fell off on pic 2 with the shoes on. The boots are doing 0 for you, positive or negative,


125+125+250+50 = 550 atk * 10.87(1087% cc dmg formula with your int) = 5978 - 5 soft def= 5973


 

 Why does the cylinder boots does not give hidden +2 Str to Ronsilver gene?

this is kinda strange


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 04:25 PM

 Why does the cylinder boots does not give hidden +2 Str to Ronsilver gene?

this is kinda strange

 

I'll take a wild guess and say:

 

RonSilver's Genetic is wearing Cylinder Boots without a card in them.

 

Boots that are giving "hidden" +2 STR may be carded with Firelock Soldier, also known as Superior Cylinder Boots?

 

Class: Card
Compounds On: Shoes
Weight: 1
Str + 2
If upgrade level is +9 or higher,
Max HP + 10%
Max SP + 10%

 

Again, just a guess as I haven't logged on my Geneticist in years nor do I own majority of the new Cart Cannon gears since Geneticist has fallen off significantly compared to other classes. It's unlikely that it's a hidden effect of the shoes themselves if he's literally gearless while wearing uncarded shoes and is not benefiting from the alleged +2 STR.

 

If Superior Cylinder Boots are giving +4 STR, then I don't know. That would be hidden parameters that need further testing.


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 04:33 PM

O YES LMAO WE FORGOT ABOUT THAT, yes its confirmed coming from the firelock soldier card.
that clears up some stuff at least.

so the last non-weapon modifier that has not been tested is harvester hat


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 04:33 PM

Thats actually the case, been so long i had to do some number crunching that i forgot to look at the card in it :v
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Posted 09 February 2022 - 02:31 AM

updated and edited

"- +14 OMH gives proper CC damage boost but +12OMH doesnt give CC damage mod, tested on below level 175 and it still bugged with +12 OMH."

if anyone have +14 cylinder hairband / boots and can test let us know the result. please test it only using EITHER one of the mentioned gear and nothing else


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Posted 09 February 2022 - 02:34 AM

See the Fas in Ranger,2 years no fixed,it is too hard to fix bug skills in class.
However ,thank test !
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Posted 09 February 2022 - 03:31 AM

See the Fas in Ranger,2 years no fixed,it is too hard to fix bug skills in class.
However ,thank test !

unlike ranger who have multiple build other than FAS, gene pretty much only have cart cannon. cart tornado is very2 weak borderline garbage. i hope @campitor can sense the urgency and fix this soon 


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Posted 09 February 2022 - 05:20 AM

unlike ranger who have multiple build other than FAS, gene pretty much only have cart cannon. cart tornado is very2 weak borderline garbage. i hope @campitor can sense the urgency and fix this soon


I mean cart tornado isn't nearly as spammable or accessible but i believe you can get something like 500%+ skill dmg from gears and 1sec cooldown on it so it wouldnt be that bad, but you literally would have to swap all your gear cause skill won't benefit from ranged modifiers, surely you can get like 500k 1sec cd cart tornado right? Or the scaling is just too bad for it? But i would prefer it being an option rather than the only choice you can make :/
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Posted 09 February 2022 - 05:22 AM

last one, no weapon variance

 

 

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In this pic the 20% is working on the Seraph 250 atk.

which makes it extra weird since i verified the 20% not working yesterday but using a skin of ladon[wawak] instead. It didn't even change autoattack damage


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Posted 09 February 2022 - 05:23 AM

I mean cart tornado isn't nearly as spammable or accessible but i believe you can get something like 500%+ skill dmg from gears and 1sec cooldown on it so it wouldnt be that bad, but you literally would have to swap all your gear cause skill won't benefit from ranged modifiers, surely you can get like 500k 1sec cd cart tornado right? Or the scaling is just too bad for it? But i would prefer it being an option rather than the only choice you can make :/


Cart Tornado with every possible boost is still weaker than a messed up Cart Cannon, and clunkier to use.


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