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#26 Evsthphvalah

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Posted 23 January 2024 - 03:00 PM

Let me try to clear up what I think people misunderstand.

 

This is the same as me playing for a month and not getting a single card drop, and is a factor in how I think about Ragnarok Online and how

I spend my time and money and expectations in the game.

 

Ragnarok is a game of Low Chances  for specific possibilities but Wide Chances for variations of possibilities. which gives players a chance to catch

up over time in WoE,and a playing field that is always different in subtle or dramatic ways based on chance and means not everyone has the same

items in every situation.  this is fun and part of why I play Ragnarok Online PvP and not some other.

 

You are supposed to work with your guild/s to share Limited Resources.  if you just got everything easily, the game would feel very different

and wrong, too fast and weird in a game about slow progression and working with your guild/s and friends.

 

When you roll an item from Kafra, you still get an item. Don't be so sad that you got the "wrong item", find something to do with it or someone

to trade with . 


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#27 Thinkpad2021

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Posted 23 January 2024 - 03:05 PM

Look, there's a gap between players that are established and newer players, especially if those newer players are playing for free. I understand your trying to come up with ideas to support the servers while trying to add value to your dollar. But just because someone *can't* afford to spend $100 on this game doesn't mean they deserve to sit on the sidelines looking like a Gene fresh out of the academy while people who blow money have all kinds of options on things to do, buy and enjoy. I would totally support WP if iRO wasn't so P2W. And that, frankly, is why I am so strongly opposed to putting MVP cards into the cash shop. As more and more things are added to the cash shop that boosts players skills, stats, etc, the further and further free players are being left behind. Why play if you can't compete?

 

GAP between players is always been there and continue to widen with the introduction of modernized business model (not surprisingly found in almost game nowadays). As long as f2p can enjoy "fair" amount of gameplay I'm fine with it. It's obvious that p2w players "should" enjoy more isn't it?


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Posted 23 January 2024 - 04:38 PM

GAP between players is always been there and continue to widen with the introduction of modernized business model (not surprisingly found in almost game nowadays). As long as f2p can enjoy "fair" amount of gameplay I'm fine with it. It's obvious that p2w players "should" enjoy more isn't it?

Perhaps. But it prevents F2P players from being able to be competitive in things like WoE, so they don't partake. Which is another one of the complaints that Chakri has.

 

WoE, MVP hunting, participating in the "hide and seek" or "town invasions", or other events/ features.


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#29 ChakriGuard

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Posted 23 January 2024 - 05:45 PM

Okay, I can get behind modernizing the Summoner. I could even see putting all MVPs in there, especially since the MVPs were last changed back before we got the Central Lab update. I don't like the idea of changing much more than that. I mean, why make something a cash shop-only feature after it was just opened up to free players (with the use of the Spooky Machine)? 

 

Look, there's a gap between players that are established and newer players, especially if those newer players are playing for free. I understand your trying to come up with ideas to support the servers while trying to add value to your dollar. But just because someone *can't* afford to spend $100 on this game doesn't mean they deserve to sit on the sidelines looking like a Gene fresh out of the academy while people who blow money have all kinds of options on things to do, buy and enjoy. I would totally support WP if iRO wasn't so P2W. And that, frankly, is why I am so strongly opposed to putting MVP cards into the cash shop. As more and more things are added to the cash shop that boosts players skills, stats, etc, the further and further free players are being left behind. Why play if you can't compete?

 

I would saying paying $$$ to enter a modernized VIP summoner (where players can summon and have private fight with any MvPs in iRO) is much better than paying for Kachues. At least players have some goals . I think its very fair and the $$$ are well worth and well spent? Also, more choices is always better anyway. Otherwise, seems like the only WP is really making big bulks is Kachues (and maybe OCPs), thus they make it highly difficult to get some BIS items out of it. I'm willing to bet that if iRO was F2P and the model was reverted back to air time, server would drop to 200ish online or less. It would fix many alt-related abuses though but you know, we dont like that.

 

Are free players really left behind though? I think with current free PvM gears, you can solo 96% of instances ... no? The logic behind this is very simple and straightforward. Its a power creeping. If any F2P players can be as OP as P2W players, why would anyone spend money right? And also, I dont think F2P players will get left behind. That's why I'm suggesting to modernize the VIP summoner. A F2P player can have their private time farming any MvPs that they dream of, without having to compete against vets and cheaters. PS. Before any noobs out there tell me, MvPing = competition. Private MvPs shouldnt be considered. Stfu lmfao. Drop AP and all edits first then we can talk xD

 

Anyway, on a bright side, as I said. We've been getting tons of updates. You just wanna come back to play, admit it hahaha. Go farm a party. Tomb of Remorse is quite hard I heard! o.o


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Posted 23 January 2024 - 07:31 PM

 

Are free players really left behind though? I think with current free PvM gears, you can solo 96% of instances ... no? 

Question, where do you get ores to upgrade past +7? Thank you.

 

F2P players would still be trying to compete for MVPs. If the Summoner was revamped, that would mean that someone would just need to create another character so they can leave their campers.

 

I'm not suggesting that iRO be reverted back to being subscription-based. That would be the end of iRO as we know it. I think the damage is done already, and there's nothing WP can do besides opening a new server that can fix it.

 

And no, I'm NOT advocating opening a new server. When we were discussing opening the Freya server, I said "I've said it in another discussion, but as much as I'd love to be proven wrong, I have no faith that WP can keep a new server active, clean, or fun. It'll be a cash grab, then closed. People have been burned too many times to invest time or money on another server." And what did they do? They ignored the player-base and made a mirror of Chaos. But they've been ignoring the player-base for the longest time now...


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#31 ChakriGuard

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Posted 23 January 2024 - 07:43 PM

Question, where do you get ores to upgrade past +7? Thank you.

 

F2P players would still be trying to compete for MVPs. If the Summoner was revamped, that would mean that someone would just need to create another character so they can leave their campers.

 

I'm not suggesting that iRO be reverted back to being subscription-based. That would be the end of iRO as we know it. I think the damage is done already, and there's nothing WP can do besides opening a new server that can fix it.

 

And no, I'm NOT advocating opening a new server. When we were discussing opening the Freya server, I said "I've said it in another discussion, but as much as I'd love to be proven wrong, I have no faith that WP can keep a new server active, clean, or fun. It'll be a cash grab, then closed. People have been burned too many times to invest time or money on another server." And what did they do? They ignored the player-base and made a mirror of Chaos. But they've been ignoring the player-base for the longest time now...

 

Hmm ... you farm items for zeny then you buy cash ores or w/e you need to +7? Im sure if you join Sunbear's discord, he will teach you how to play this game F2P'ly. I aint teach you with this either because im the Moonbear.

 

F2P players probably would not be able to to compete with P2W and Vets who use mirrors (both legit or duped). And if summoner got revamped, then more money for iRO without being too greedy on Kachues. As long as it requires VIP and damn WP needs to stop giving out free VIPs lol


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Posted 23 January 2024 - 09:39 PM

Hmm ... you farm items for zeny then you buy cash ores or w/e you need to +7? Im sure if you join Sunbear's discord, he will teach you how to play this game F2P'ly. I aint teach you with this either because im the Moonbear.

 

F2P players probably would not be able to to compete with P2W and Vets who use mirrors (both legit or duped). And if summoner got revamped, then more money for iRO without being too greedy on Kachues. As long as it requires VIP and damn WP needs to stop giving out free VIPs lol

To +7, I can get the ores from Nogg Road, and the safe to 7 certs from doing the Hero's Banquest quests. You can actually +9 the equipment from the Banquet update. Not hard.

 

But if people can't afford to upgrade very high because of +10->+11 not being 100% anymore, how long do you think it'll take a F2P player to get enough zeny to buy not only the ores, but BSBs? Someone said it took 150 BSB for them to make +12. That's basically 1 billion zeny just for the BSB. Then you need the zeny for the attempts (drop in the bucket), zeny for the metals (HD/Enriched, etc) not to mention the item being refined. 


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Posted 23 January 2024 - 11:24 PM

To +7, I can get the ores from Nogg Road, and the safe to 7 certs from doing the Hero's Banquest quests. You can actually +9 the equipment from the Banquet update. Not hard.

 

But if people can't afford to upgrade very high because of +10->+11 not being 100% anymore, how long do you think it'll take a F2P player to get enough zeny to buy not only the ores, but BSBs? Someone said it took 150 BSB for them to make +12. That's basically 1 billion zeny just for the BSB. Then you need the zeny for the attempts (drop in the bucket), zeny for the metals (HD/Enriched, etc) not to mention the item being refined. 

 

Then your limit is +9 and its good enough to clear the game contents. You want +12? Time to swipe or farm harder, if you have so much time. Would be nice if I could get +15 without swiping. Well I'm sure some F2P people have done it.


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Posted 24 January 2024 - 03:21 AM

Thank the whales for subsidizing updates while I pay for my car and mortgage and be f2p

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Posted 24 January 2024 - 06:22 AM

The ammount of copium on people defending Ro monetization is amazing lol.


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Posted 24 January 2024 - 01:43 PM

Like people who dont like the game but still play T_T


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Posted 24 January 2024 - 05:55 PM

Chakri stop, you are defending a developer who commits more resources to screwing over their player base than fixing the obvious issues and bugs present in the game.  They literally dump all time and effort into Kach and OCP items, every month they got some new set of gear, or item that beats the sweet ever loving crap outta the items that were recently before it.  But do they fix the bugs, NO, the Crashes, NO, the rampant botting and macroing/multibox leveling,NOPE.  They do stuff like relying on the player base to report and police the Sorc/Wizard Warp casters and then in the same week see those same IGN's still doing what they were before but on a different map.  I can almost guarantee with certainty that with the exception of some very strong willed or unbearably bored newbies most don't get into the game because of the predatory loot systems, and the absolutely twisted economy, making ridiculous claims like they can make their own items is honestly either delusional or ignorant, they cannot compete for MVP's ever not when you got any class one shotting zones, and dumpstering MVPs like they aren't even there.

The community on a whole has every reason to be upset...the predation in their loot systems has become insultingly bad.  The only way to stop this is to stop taking out your wallets...if they want to maintain this cash grab they will have to smarten up or lose it.  Warp staff pay attention when you have a topic in which the general consensus is that you are predatory and ripping off your player base, that we are ignored on a whole.  You need to examine your business practice or die with the changing times.


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#38 Thinkpad2021

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Posted 24 January 2024 - 08:16 PM

You can ignore this crazy Kachua and still be competitive in one shotting zones. I'm a little upset but not that much. It's not that insulting coz as what I said, you can ignore. WP also had some significant bug fixes although not the best it can be at least there is improvement. I'm not sure if what you feel is really that general consensus though. I do agree with you on rampant botting.


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Posted 24 January 2024 - 09:50 PM

Chakri has always been at the side of the greedy developers and has always advocated RO to become more p2w for probably a decade now, as someone who wants to see iRO burn I'm a hugh fan of his work and hope he keeps on doing what hes doing, the admins of this server and their overlords in korea won't change course anyway, it'll just get worse and worse. Go Chakri!


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Posted 25 January 2024 - 05:25 AM

Netha=Chakri. Probably.
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Posted 25 January 2024 - 05:41 AM

Like people who dont like the game but still play T_T

 

If someone is playing a GAME and doesnt like it or find it a chore, i dont know, thats a sign of a bigger problem. When i got burned out i step away of this game for 3 years i just didnt play anymore for a long time, i came back after a friend ask me to try the 4th classes, this time i decided to take it slowly, im having fun leveling different classes and pvming with my sorcs and wls, verly slowly and when my friends are online basically. That being said, even if im having fun, you dont have to be blind, this game became bassically a p2w game, that remind me more of those mobile RPGS from those adds on youtube than an actual game. That i cant deny :V


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Posted 25 January 2024 - 08:10 AM

Alright where's the "we've read your message" from our dear CMs


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Posted 25 January 2024 - 08:29 AM

Alright where's the "we've read your message" from our dear CMs

And the "we've forwarded it to the specialist team"


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Posted 25 January 2024 - 08:30 AM

lmao chakri and his multi-accounts


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Posted 25 January 2024 - 11:01 AM

The predatory monetization of this game is what makes me not want to recommend it to my friends.
As a player who enjoys grinding and plays strictly f2p on everything, I have never felt this level
of hopelessness in terms of equipments. Granted I know I can have a chance to deal "big damage", but in the game of "whoever deals more damage gets the gold" I'm like a lost puppy in a den of wolves. And then when I finally gather enough to purchase the hot item of the OCP, something new comes out that makes it irrelevant. It's absolutely a losing battle.
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Posted 25 January 2024 - 01:08 PM

And the "we've forwarded it to the specialist team"

 

Was going to post the gif of printing into the shredder.

 

But can't post gifs here.

 

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#47 Evsthphvalah

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 02:06 PM

You guys are buying Infinity Drink ,  right?

 

It's not all about they Keys, if you were buying Infinities you'd be getting some value alongside your keys.

 

That's another reason I don't hate keys -- Infinity Drink basically sets a timer for when I will buy my next key, actually I can

only buy around 10 keys a month this way and get a boosted stat line to go with it.

 

To everyone struggling in high level gameplay,  you are drinking infinity, right?


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Posted 25 January 2024 - 02:59 PM

Chakri stop, you are defending a developer who commits more resources to screwing over their player base than fixing the obvious issues and bugs present in the game. They literally dump all time and effort into Kach and OCP items, every month they got some new set of gear, or item that beats the sweet ever loving crap outta the items that were recently before it. But do they fix the bugs, NO, the Crashes, NO, the rampant botting and macroing/multibox leveling,NOPE. They do stuff like relying on the player base to report and police the Sorc/Wizard Warp casters and then in the same week see those same IGN's still doing what they were before but on a different map. I can almost guarantee with certainty that with the exception of some very strong willed or unbearably bored newbies most don't get into the game because of the predatory loot systems, and the absolutely twisted economy, making ridiculous claims like they can make their own items is honestly either delusional or ignorant, they cannot compete for MVP's ever not when you got any class one shotting zones, and dumpstering MVPs like they aren't even there.

The community on a whole has every reason to be upset...the predation in their loot systems has become insultingly bad. The only way to stop this is to stop taking out your wallets...if they want to maintain this cash grab they will have to smarten up or lose it. Warp staff pay attention when you have a topic in which the general consensus is that you are predatory and ripping off your player base, that we are ignored on a whole. You need to examine your business practice or die with the changing times.


Ok I dont defend anyone. Im on my own side. Im only saying WP doesnt force anyone to swipe.

 

I havent been whaling for years now actually because I can control myself? WP does w/e they want. You cant control them. You however can control yourself. If swiping is too much or you think it is not worth swiping even if you have tons of spare money, then just dont swipe and abandon this damn game. Hits where it hurts them. But you and I both know that they aint gonna do anything. So many people are still swiping. So now you just think what you wanna do. Leave game? Play casually F2P? Go back to swipe to stay competitive? Abuse bugs and exploit the game to stay competitive without swiping? Your chioce.

 

I agree with you that they should focus more on banning macro'ing and botting esp in high level maps ie level 200+. I would even suggest disabling wings, so bots and macro users cant abuse it but eh, wanna upset the community even more? Go for it and disable wings. Whatever WP does, people will get pissed af. Want to piss people more? -> MvPing, as I already post before. Modernize MvP summoners. So even F2P players can have a chance to farm MvPs that they want. People whose goal is to collect every single MvP card will be hardcore players as they will log in to farm all MvPs everyday, until they get all MvP cards. However, I am sure there will be some uproar madness. Same thing about reintroducing Convex Mirrors to give people a chance to farm field MvPs too. I'm sure if WP does this, there will be another uproar and people will be as pissed WP introducing Kachues. 

 

You absolutely can make your own decent items. Just dont expect to get BIS or top tiered +15 items. If its easily obtained, no one would swipe or exploit the game (duping items) right? I think you need to become Sunbear's student. He should be able to teach you how to play this game as a F2P and enjoy it nevertheless.

 

Anyway, I have not been swiping a lot at all cus I too dont like where the game is heading. I dont even have Purified shield and Midgard shoes Grade A. Should I quit then because other people use it and I dont have? What logic is this? So, no its not about Kachues. Its about having nothing to do in game, and this is my personal problem, not WP's. WP has been bringing so many updates and contents lately. I dont know about D/Cing. I dont really experience it at all lol


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Posted 25 January 2024 - 03:21 PM

If someone is playing a GAME and doesnt like it or find it a chore, i dont know, thats a sign of a bigger problem. When i got burned out i step away of this game for 3 years i just didnt play anymore for a long time, i came back after a friend ask me to try the 4th classes, this time i decided to take it slowly, im having fun leveling different classes and pvming with my sorcs and wls, verly slowly and when my friends are online basically. That being said, even if im having fun, you dont have to be blind, this game became bassically a p2w game, that remind me more of those mobile RPGS from those adds on youtube than an actual game. That i cant deny :V

 

Define P2W bro. You can get everything free in this game without spending money. P2W = Play to Win? If this is the case, I agree. Many people who have many alts to farm instances, they're surely making lots of zeny without spending and they can use zeny to buy any MvP cards in game too. Though you're having fun. At least you're on the right path. You play game to have fun. If you dont have fun, you should quit or take a break. I cant remember how many times I've taken a break because I dont enjoy the game lol


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Posted 25 January 2024 - 04:05 PM

Was going to post the gif of printing into the shredder.

 

But can't post gifs here.

 

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