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[Cinnaroll1200]

Please suck it up and disable RODEX. It's RODEX that duped items are being created and people getting banned here and there.

Been saying this for months or a year. Shut it down. Burn RODEX.

Not to mention vile players can dupe items such as BSBs for personal uses and/or RMT sells.

 

If the problem isn't dealt with at the source, then we are doing no better than trying to bucket out water from a sinking ship.

If RODEX is the source then it needs to be turned off before everything is flooded.


Also, I really wish the front page or some other message is stated about the need to be taking pictures of everything. This isn't really the first thought that comes to mind when playing an MMO and just going to player ran shops.

Edited by Cinnaroll1200, 25 September 2024 - 04:55 PM.

[Shinomory1]

Greetings

I'm a new player and therefore a member of the IRO community, I started playing this year, I must say that I'm a F2P type, it's quite difficult to start in this game, some people helped me a lot, I can say that I was lucky to come across them.

I recently learned about the existence of duped items, I must say that it's the first time I've heard of that in a game, when I started playing I thought it would be a MMORGP type game, not a game of taking evidence and sending tickets, no offense, but why do I point this out, because I don't have any evidence of the transactions when I started playing, I didn't know I should do it, in the tutorial it didn't talk about anything about it, since I learned that damn word I started taking screenshots of everything, something that I find tedious in addition to the memory consumption on my hard drive.

I must say that it took several months of sacrifice and help from those good people, but now, seeing what is happening, I could easily lose my account for not having any idea of ​​the existence of these items, throwing away all those months of effort, even more so. If the same thing happened to me, I would definitely end up quitting the game, which is why I consider that the opportunity to know the reasons why you were banned should be provided, after all a good game is built together with the community, a game without a community is nothing more than an empty shell.

Since I learned about duped items I have wondered how they do them, today while I was reading this post I could see someone showing their RODEX with items that they shouldn't have, it is possible that one cause (I say this without knowing) is that at the time of doing the maintenance the system wants to return these items that were for sale using the RODEX and when not being able to send them the messages remain on hold and the system keeps sending them, could you at least take this into account.

The issue of scams, wanting to trade in a game in which prices are speculative and in part those who invest real money want to obtain an equivalent to the money invested makes it necessary to have a system that allows trading with large amounts, by reducing scam reports I believe that the team can focus on duped items or other issues.

The objective is to enjoy the game, not burden players with responsibilities that we should not have, in the end, we are all customers and must ask ourselves, why play and invest in this game and not in others?

[kuasa111]

I've been playing this game for few years now, and starting from the end of last year I've been avoiding to play because of the scamming start getting worse. But at that time GM are doing a great job handling the situation so far in my opinion. But i don't know what happen right now. It seems like the situation just got worst.

Recently i never even login to play because i scare of being ban permanently if i buy item from other person. I've been reading about some victim being ban because of he buying item from unknown vendor. He know nothing about the item, he's a victim. The same situation could happen to anyone.

 

There is no way to progress and have fun playing the game without having enough equipment and item. And one of the way to get full set item is to buy from unknown vendor vending in the town or trading item with someone.

If this situation continue, more people will slowly avoiding to play. Less people will spend money to buy item because people have loss trust and never buy/trade item from stranger.

In my opinion, GM need to find other way to tackle the problem. With current way, it will not only bring the scammer down but also important asset.

The victim is not to be blame for the item, the problem is the hacker and the item.

[paarelthomas]

 

This game feels more like a job, if i need to screenshot, tidy up and folder them up, do recording of every trade and send ticket for every purchase down to even hundred K zeny purchase just to make myself safe from stray ban bullets.
 

So do we really need to submit ticket for all vendind transaction? Including selling and buying? Bcs i know someone who got banned for months just because he purchased something worth less than 30m on shopping board, (and no im not referring to the 6 month ban, there are way more cases like this than everyone think) 

 

The fact that everyone need to keep a folder of every purchase already reflects the state of the game and how staff handles issues its quite scary, especially lately

 

I also want to address the amount of cases of how GM treated ban cases, i have seen several of cases where GM wont disclose what Terms of Service u violates and their details,  wont hear / entertain any defenses even if u are a victim,  even if u got unbanned (some fortunately got unbanned), they mentioned that by standard protocol they have to temporarily suspend both parties suspect and victim alike

 

HERES THE FUNNY PART, 

 

In the first few emails they mentioned

1. PERMANENT BAN

2. NO DISCLOSURE OF Terms of Service VIOLATION

3. NOT WANTING TO HEAR ANY DEFENSES

 

It literally conflict with each other telling that they only temporarily suspend both parties yet mentioned at first that they are perma banned and its already final GM won't accept any kind of defense. Then could any staff please explain to us how should as a victim (in this example) we can defend ourself? 

 

Some of the cases, the victim even provided screenshots of proof yet it wont hold a candle when it should be the one keeping you safe

 

 

Imagine this

 

1. You farm items, sell them, and received duped / flagged / dirty zeny = ban

 

2. You spend $$ on spending event, sell BSB received duped / flagged / dirty zeny = ban

 

3. Say you managed to receive clean zeny, then u bought some item that are  duped / flagged / dirty = ban

4. Was told to take all screenshots, but when it matters GM wont accept or acknowledge them


i wont discredit any possibilities of player of lying and actually violates Terms of Service and i really appreciate our GM working hard to start banning people who dupe / scam but it must not be done at cost of innocent player, please do it properly before you damage more of community trust, GM Beelzebub please check in with your GM because im not making this up, those ticket really exist and player do treated badly

 

 

 

Well said @Gon. 

 

I truly second this concern, as much as I understand the integrity and well-being of the server economy, it is equally important to prevent disruption of victims/players ongoing game health. in the cases that Gon has mentioned specifically the 4 points on why a Ban is more likely no matter What you do. Ragnarök is a Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game (MMORPG), But with the current Gameplay and fear of Ban because active participation in the market, you are taking out the multiplayer portion of this game away. 

 

Not denying the fact that there are players with Ill-intention, abusing in game bugs/mechanics to make profit (duping/bug abuse etc.) and those players definitely deserve to be perma-banned. but punishing the victims of this equally is something that you need to closely monitor. Perhaps flag the account (without disabling) and monitor/revert the deals without banning the players.

 

This also raises the concern on what the developers/administrators are doing to address the Root-cause of this issue. what is the cause of Dupe (is it rodex/some other bug). only by fixing that bug/issue can you really get to the root of the issue. perhaps use some better ways to get actual information on how the duping process works from someone who is doing this. The more you punish the victims, the lesser the player base is going to end up being.

 

Hoping the folks who can actually make decisions do something about this rather than prolong this Tyranny and fear.

[biasa]

I have seen players getting banned recently, some of them permanently, without a clear explanation.

 

My concerns:

 

It is WarpPortal's duty to find the root cause of this mass ban and resolve the issue.

 

WarpPortal has the right to punish players who violate the rules, but you must ensure that they are indeed violating the rules. I don't think responses like 'NO DISCLOSURE OF Terms of Service VIOLATION' and 'NOT WANTING TO HEAR ANY DEFENSES' are the right way to handle this. Yes, you can do that—it’s legally correct but not morally right. Don’t treat every player (even if accidentally involved) as a hacker suspect. This game has interactive features like trading, selling, buying, earning zeny from farming/gathering items, and converting them into zeny. In my opinion, your tone makes it seem like all players, whether involved accidentally or not, are being treated the same way: as hackers.

 

This is not the right approach. It is WP’s responsibility to:

1. Find the root cause of this hack, resolve it, and prevent it from happening again in the future.

2. Create a safe environment for your customers who spend money on your game/service. My friends and I have stopped spending due to this issue and the way you are treating players without explanation. Anyone can be banned without an explanation, so why should we play this game? Who’s going to guarantee us? I’m not going to throw money away and get nothing (no joy from playing) and then get banned. I’d rather spend my money somewhere else, where I can get value for it.

In my eyes as a customer, what WP is doing now looks like they’re in panic mode, banning people left and right without thorough consideration. WP should consider the impact their handling of this issue has on customer trust in the long term.

 

I appreciate GM/WarpPortal doing its job by delivering updates and showing intention to solve this issue, but I believe you can do better in how you treat innocent customers (I don’t care about hackers—just eliminate them).

 

WP should consider one thing: this is a nostalgic game for us. I don’t believe new kids from the latest generation will have any interest in this 2D game, so you better treat your loyal customers very well. You have a limited time frame to run this game—maybe 10–15 years. After that, we’ll all be gone, and you’ll find it hard to get new customers to spend money on this old game.

 

I suggest WP encourage old players (those who were banned or have been on a long hiatus) to play (and spend) again. Everyone deserves a second chance.

please consider this and keep up the good work

[coolvampire]

Dear GM,

Could you please respond and reply on this matter?

[mlmf]

asking us to screenshot every purchase instead of making it a safer environment for player is not a solution

there are lots of small transaction going on board every minute every day, even if majority of the player agreed to submit ticket to every little transaction they do, ticket website will surely get flooded and suddenly its not a good idea anymore, its just not efficient for the player or the staff im sure both parties have something better to do

I mean, there is a check box in the trade window that asks if you want a screenshot. Its even right next to the trade button so people see it before clicking. It takes like half a second to check the box. It takes the shot immediately when trade is successful, showing a greyed out trade button. The name of the screenshot will automatically have the name of the character you just traded with as well, so you dont have to remember him. Best to be safe and check the box every time

Edited by mlmf, 25 September 2024 - 10:48 PM.

[Cinnaroll1200]

I mean, there is a check box in the trade window that asks if you want a screenshot. Its even right next to the trade button so people see it before clicking. It takes like half a second to check the box. It takes the shot immediately when trade is successful

 

Is that an option when buying from player vendors/shopping board or is this only from individual trade window? I think I'm not seeing it in the vendor window.

Print screen in game does capture the time when taken so there is that.

This still needs to be brought to the attention of general users and not just on the forums though. This is not something that is customarily expected of players to take pictures and record their transactions. If it is what is to be expected going forward, then it has to become common practice for all. They have constant shouts about account safety. So might as well add this too right?

Not to mention, that is going to be a lot of pictures to back up and keep track of if you are taking it of every single item ever traded or bought from player shop. And keeping it for months at a time. Otherwise, just best to reduce how often you interact with player economy.

[TontonMaton]

To be honest if you are not guilty, then theres nothing to fear, i have been doing commerce with players for years and i have never ever been banned in game, (in forums yes because i like to dab on nerds), so what a poor statement.

 

This is the most stupid take from this post. It doesn't matter if you're guilty or not. You can be permabanned for something you didn't do or may have been involved with unknowingly.

You're lucky it hasn't happened to you but there's tons of players out there who got falsely banned and the GMs wouldn't even explain why nor let you defend yourself.

Case in point is a personal experience

 

GM Jakk

As previously mentioned, your recent in-game activity has violated our Terms & Conditions. Regrettably, we cannot provide further details regarding this matter. We kindly ask that you accept this penalty as a deterrent for future behavior.


Please note that our decision is based on comprehensive data, and we will not entertain further defenses or explanations. We hope this clarifies the situation and discourages repeated inquiries on this topic.

At this point you're probably be thinking "well, you're clearly involved in something illegal like RMT or bot". You're wrong. Days later and few tickets closed and they unbanned and said I was innocent. Did they even apologize for the inconvenience and time I wasted on this issue? No, but they gave me a [final] warning for being a victim and that I should be thankful in the first place
 

 

We would like to remind you that you are fortunate to have retained your items, as the penalty for a first offense could have been more severe.

Just imagine how many players have been in the same position as me who didn't bother fighting the system and just accepted the ban. We could've had more players but the GMs decided to just ban them instead of actually addressing the problem

[yamasakai90]

I'm truly baffled for this case. But bear in mind that my post is strictly for those getting banned for receiving dupe items/zeny and not for other cases.

TLDR : Lock the account, Remove the items, reverse the trade if player(s) could provide proof of their trade/purchase/sale. You seriously have to give players a chance to prove their innocence.

 

Spoiler

 

Warpportal needs to provide a safe environment for people to play in.

 

How are we suppose to know that the zeny/item that I am trading/selling/buying is dupe? Its not like the item comes with an official logo/stamp/mark that are visible to the player and writes "This is an original merchandise", or with serial number so we can check on the website to see if its legitimate.

 

With that being said, unless the said player is at the receiving end of multiple trades of dupe items, or one big trade with the same char/ip address, its hard to know if they are receiving dupe items/zeny knowingly. They guy could have just decided to play a new class and someone was convenienty doing a class 'Quiting sale' so they bought the entire set.

 

Another thing is to look at the player's entire history and networth. If he has tens of billions or even hundred billions of items and zeny in networth, you would have to consider if they would risk their account for something cheap. Of course some would,,, but it would only be beneficial in the short/long term if the eventual exploit is more than what they have.

 

I wouldn't be risking an account worth 100 billion for something worth 2b right? Or 10b for a 300m item? However once it goes above a certain percentage, people might.. and it could be as low as 5-10%, but its more likely to done repeatedly. Hence valuing dupe zeny/item over account networth isn't that reliable but I think its worth to put it into consideration.

 

Reverse the trade, give them a warning or at least ask them 'How did you get this item and please show proof of your exchange'. If they exchanged it with something equivalent, its more likely that they received a dirty item/zeny without their knowledge and you could reverse the trade. Banning for violating Terms of Service (Terms of Service) without telling them what item/zeny caused it gives them zero chances of defending themselves. 

 

If thats the case, whats the point of us keeping our replay files and screenshots?
 

And what happen to trade reversal? I remember 8 years ago, a guildie of mine got their account locked, the zeny they got from a stranger got removed and they were told by the GM that it was dirty zeny and to not simply take items from people. (It was 100m zeny and my guildie thought someone was being generous in giving newbie starting up funds). And if they actually bought something with their hard earn zeny, they could ticket to get their items back, instead of just the dirty item/zeny being removed and them losing their item/zeny. No actual bans were given, just account lock while the GM removes the dirty item/zeny.

 

When that was the case, we as players could just continue playing. Taking extra steps such as keeping screenshots for large purchase incase this ever happens. As for smaller purchase that we didn't want to trouble ourselves with, we were fine knowing that if thats the case, it will be removed it wouldn't be a dent in our virtual pocket. (We could, but its just that we don't want to keep taking screenshots of 10-40m purchases).

 

We kindly ask WP to make the process more acceptable by the community. If people are guilty of crimes, I believe the majority of them would just accept it and move on. Right now, it seems that some people are not aware of their own crime (that they claim they did not do).

 

Edited by yamasakai90, 26 September 2024 - 01:27 AM.

[VanishingPoint]

This game feels more like a job, if i need to screenshot, tidy up and folder them up, do recording of every trade and send ticket for every purchase down to even hundred K zeny purchase just to make myself safe from stray ban bullets.

So do we really need to submit ticket for all vendind transaction? Including selling and buying? Bcs i know someone who got banned for months just because he purchased something worth less than 30m on shopping board, (and no im not referring to the 6 month ban, there are way more cases like this than everyone think)

The fact that everyone need to keep a folder of every purchase already reflects the state of the game and how staff handles issues its quite scary, especially lately

I also want to address the amount of cases of how GM treated ban cases, i have seen several of cases where GM wont disclose what Terms of Service u violates and their details, wont hear / entertain any defenses even if u are a victim, even if u got unbanned (some fortunately got unbanned), they mentioned that by standard protocol they have to temporarily suspend both parties suspect and victim alike

HERES THE FUNNY PART,

In the first few emails they mentioned
1. PERMANENT BAN
2. NO DISCLOSURE OF Terms of Service VIOLATION
3. NOT WANTING TO HEAR ANY DEFENSES

It literally conflict with each other telling that they only temporarily suspend both parties yet mentioned at first that they are perma banned and its already final GM won't accept any kind of defense. Then could any staff please explain to us how should as a victim (in this example) we can defend ourself?

Some of the cases, the victim even provided screenshots of proof yet it wont hold a candle when it should be the one keeping you safe


Imagine this

1. You farm items, sell them, and received duped / flagged / dirty zeny = ban

2. You spend $$ on spending event, sell BSB received duped / flagged / dirty zeny = ban

3. Say you managed to receive clean zeny, then u bought some item that are duped / flagged / dirty = ban

4. Was told to take all screenshots, but when it matters GM wont accept or acknowledge them


i wont discredit any possibilities of player of lying and actually violates Terms of Service and i really appreciate our GM working hard to start banning people who dupe / scam but it must not be done at cost of innocent player, please do it properly before you damage more of community trust, GM Beelzebub please check in with your GM because im not making this up, those ticket really exist and player do treated badly

Excellent arguments. I am a casual player so I don’t spend money to compete on ditching out big magic numbers. However, if they bann me then so be it. I’m too busy and too forgetful to have to record every transactions.

This is what happened when they keep putting bandages on problems. Players have been forced to play lesser and spend lesser to avoid getting banned. Players are having to pay for their incompetent.
They really should have fixed or patched the exploits long ago instead of sweeping the issues under the rug. Least they can do is try to put some efforts into tracking and banning the culprits doing the doping. This is not hard to do if you know how to search properly.

Edited by VanishingPoint, 26 September 2024 - 02:36 AM.

[Rikhay_Lucabis]

Banning a player without reason is generally considered unfair and goes against the principles of good game management. Players should be informed of the reasons for any bans, ensuring transparency and accountability. I recommend clear guidelines and communication regarding bans, emphasizing the importance of transparency and due process. I just feel that mass banning is being used as a cover for deeper problems, it might be worth discussing these concerns in this forums or with the developers directly please.. Warp Portal, please give us your feed back..

[Laxus555]

Hi @Poring and @Beelzebub,

Please look into this matter,
First of all your GM Team said that the rodex dupe issue has been resolved, which was never solved.
Now, If a person buys some consumables, equips from a vendor who is selling duped items, how is the person supposed to know if its legit item or duped item? It isn't person's fault, it literally show your team's incompetency to solve the bugs.

Your GM team has been banning people right and left, which isn't fair, and when they are asked for explanation they simply reply we cannot disclose the information. Even after providing all the information to your GMs, if they cannot figure the actual issue, why should the person get banned?

There has been many cases I know which involves GM Jakk and GM Aunoe, who doesn't know what is going on in-game or can't figure out the actual issue even after providing them all the details which they ask for and simply just ban accounts on suspicion of some illegal activity conducted on the account.

Can we also say that they are incompetent of their roles when on the first instance they don't know what the ticket is about or cannot figure out the root cause of the issue?
Your GM team expect us to be your L1 Support Team which will look into the logs and provide them all the details, which transaction happened when and was it legit or not.

And if you guys expect us to do everything, which is take screenshots of every transaction we do with other people or in storage, we simply do not have the time to do so.

At least do not just simply say you guys fixed the issue.



 

[scorpiostar]

There are some things I wanted to say, but I think most of it has already been said by the players before me. But I will say this:

This is NOT how you treat legitimate players. Some of them have been playing this old game for years. How is it our fault, or unsuspecting players, that items are duped? We have absolutely no way of knowing. The issue seems to be within YOUR OWN system of coding/design. I don't understand. You say people are violating the Terms of Service and you wont even give them the transparency as to why, yet it's literally only because of your system design with the ROdex. That is unfair. It is 100% unfair for us and if WP/Gravity doesn't get it together very soon, they aren't gonna have a game for people to play. Nobody wants to play a 20+ year old game in fear of getting banned for something that isn't their fault. My friends have stopped playing because they are in fear of getting banned. Nobody wants to spend hard earned money on a game and then turn around and get banned for something that it beyond their control. Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but maybe it'll get a message through.

It's 2024. We expect transparency and fairness. Not crappy, lame, lazy excuses.

Do better.

Edited by scorpiostar, 26 September 2024 - 06:03 AM.

[kingjung1]

It is concerning if unknowing individuals are getting banned for doing trades or buying from vendors who have duped items. I can understand from Gravity's point of view showing there must be repercussion for ant violation of Terms of Service. With that in mind, victims must not be punished in the process. What is the solution? How can they know some knowingly or unknowingly purchased or re-sold duped items? Until there is resolution, is it safe to purchase / vend?

What would it take on Gravity's side to find a way to prevent duping in general? I've played several games where the company has the ability to know when items are duped, track duped items, ban the original player where the item was duped, and clear the duped item from the server. In cases of victims, they at worst LOSE THE ITEM, but don't banned for the concern of losing a potential unknowing (essentially) customers of theirs.

Genuinely curious. I have been cautious of selling anything as of late in fear of duped zeny. Just today, and this may be a bit overcautious, I was selling an Orc Archer Skeleton Card. The deal was set to be done for 1mil (Normally don't sell cheap stuff, but helping the person who needs it/clearing storage). He decides to give me 10 million zeny and 4 items in the trade, and this in itself made my question whether these items / zeny were duped. I took screenshots of the trade to protect myself, but I=in this situation I should not fear being banned for selling an item.

Hoping this madness is resolved soon!
With love for the game and appreciation for the GM's whom I believe are doing their best,
Chall

[6773131031232342973]

This is the most stupid take from this post. It doesn't matter if you're guilty or not. You can be permabanned for something you didn't do or may have been involved with unknowingly.

You're lucky it hasn't happened to you but there's tons of players out there who got falsely banned and the GMs wouldn't even explain why nor let you defend yourself.

Case in point is a personal experience

At this point you're probably be thinking "well, you're clearly involved in something illegal like RMT or bot". You're wrong. Days later and few tickets closed and they unbanned and said I was innocent. Did they even apologize for the inconvenience and time I wasted on this issue? No, but they gave me a [final] warning for being a victim and that I should be thankful in the first place
 

Just imagine how many players have been in the same position as me who didn't bother fighting the system and just accepted the ban. We could've had more players but the GMs decided to just ban them instead of actually addressing the problem

wou win this time....for now.

Edited by 6773131031232342973, 26 September 2024 - 01:30 PM.

[Cinnaroll1200]

We do want to be careful and professional on how we approach the GM's. Saying too much could result in bad actors taking advantage of that. They can only do what is told.

That being said, there have already been a lot of good and a lot of mixed responses in this post. The general gist I'm seeing here is:

1: Disable RODEX - If this is indeed the source of the duping, there is no way to get a handle on the situation until its turned off.

2: There needs to be more distinction between ban and suspension. If people are being suspended and told to provide images, then that is one thing. But ban and ask questions later is a bit much unless the account has been suspended multiple times before.

3: Player expectation in trades. I do not like the idea of recording every single trade because I'm trying to guess if a vended 5 mil item is legit or not. If there anything we as players can do that aids in this situation beyond just pictures? Is putting an item in storage causing it harder to track? Is there an NPC that can be created to verify an item? Should there be an automated ticket system in place to verify each purchase? I'd hate for the latter as that would be a flood of tickets but I'm trying to think of any possibility to work with here.

At the end of the day, the dupers really have made a mess of things for everyone. The players and the GMs. Its one of those examples of why we can't have nice things. :C
 

[6773131031232342973]

So you actually believe 100% of all the people who got banned are rule breakers?

Then why did the GM unbanned me after saying I am permanently banned, no questions asked?

Show proofs then, if the GM banned innocent people i will just -_- on them instead.

[TontonMaton]

Show proofs then, if the GM banned innocent people i will just on them instead.

Took them days to lift my ban. I wonder how long it took to other innocent people as well. Or were they even lifted at all. Who knows. But this proves that they actually mess up sometimes and ban innocent people


Here's a screenshot [because idk how to put image] of them lifting my permaban that was "based on comprehensive data" and that they will not "entertain further defenses or explanations"

https://i.imgur.com/U8hd5OT.png

Now why would a "AH BUT I DINDU NUFFIN I WAS SUCH A SAINT" that did "RMT and duping for years and now they are crying because they got caugh in 4k like the retards they are" got unbanned without losing my "RMT" and "duped" items?

Edited by TontonMaton, 26 September 2024 - 01:25 PM.

[6773131031232342973]

Took them days to lift my ban. I wonder how long it took to other innocent people as well. Or were they even lifted at all. Who knows. But this proves that they actually mess up sometimes and ban innocent people


Here's a screenshot [because idk how to put image] of them lifting my permaban that was "based on comprehensive data" and that they will not "entertain further defenses or explanations"

https://i.imgur.com/U8hd5OT.png

Now why would a "AH BUT I DINDU NUFFIN I WAS SUCH A SAINT" that did "RMT and duping for years and now they are crying because they got caugh in 4k like the retards they are" got unbanned without losing my "RMT" and "duped" items?

You proved your point and i will now support your cause, GM'S are bad and wrong they make people upset so they must  pay for their incompetence.
(except for the royal guard guy he did RMT and everyone know it)

[TontonMaton]

You proved your point and i will now support your cause, GM'S are bad and wrong they make people upset so they must  pay for their incompetence.
(except for the royal guard guy he did RMT and everyone know it)

 

I'm glad that they're actually doing something to enforce the rules but the way to do it is just reckless and mostly affects innocent players. Let's just hope that they would actually fix what's wrong with the system before banning the very little playerbase they have left. Dupers will always dupe but these legit players won't get back after being wrongfully banned.

[Shinzaku]

Took them days to lift my ban. I wonder how long it took to other innocent people as well. Or were they even lifted at all. Who knows. But this proves that they actually mess up sometimes and ban innocent people


Here's a screenshot [because idk how to put image] of them lifting my permaban that was "based on comprehensive data" and that they will not "entertain further defenses or explanations"

https://i.imgur.com/U8hd5OT.png

Now why would a "AH BUT I DINDU NUFFIN I WAS SUCH A SAINT" that did "RMT and duping for years and now they are crying because they got caugh in 4k like the retards they are" got unbanned without losing my "RMT" and "duped" items?

 

 

Wait if that was innocent banning that they then lifted, why did they mention it as also a first warning as if you still did something? The wording they use is weird.

Edited by Shinzaku, 26 September 2024 - 03:44 PM.

[Kutz1989]

Wait if that was innocent banning that they then lifted, why did they mention it as also a first warning as if you still did something? The wording they use is weird.

 

i also questioned that too. Pretty weird, indeed.

[worldeditor95]

GM @Beelzebub, i am still waiting for your take on this matter,

Please kindly provide some insight

[ChakriGuard]

Took them days to lift my ban. I wonder how long it took to other innocent people as well. Or were they even lifted at all. Who knows. But this proves that they actually mess up sometimes and ban innocent people


Here's a screenshot [because idk how to put image] of them lifting my permaban that was "based on comprehensive data" and that they will not "entertain further defenses or explanations"

https://i.imgur.com/U8hd5OT.png
Now why would a "AH BUT I DINDU NUFFIN I WAS SUCH A SAINT" that did "RMT and duping for years and now they are crying because they got caugh in 4k like the retards they are" got unbanned without losing my "RMT" and "duped" items?

Tbh, GM just kind of opened a can of worms when they unbanned you after clearly stating that the ban was permanent.

I too was also wrongfully banned. I never break any rules of this game too. Believe me ^^

(I just play like everyone normally ... right? Whoever out there stalking me here like a rat lol)

But as I said, if you're innocent. You can always get your account back. Good to heard you got your account back.

I know I can get my account back too, if I want because I never RMTed. I never farmed MvP cards but I always swipped WPEs to buy Kachues and OCPs, then sold them to get in game MvP cards. Jealous people can make up fake news and lie just to pull you down to their sewer level lol

Edited by ChakriGuard, 26 September 2024 - 04:32 PM.