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#1 bennilava

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 07:07 PM

edited so i dont get banned lol

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#2 Pyrasia

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 07:20 PM

Kafra Warps, except for Prontera, have been removed from the game and are for VIP only

What ? What are you talking about.
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 07:27 PM

edited so i dont get banned lol

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 08:28 PM

It has been like that since um, Valkyrie first showed up... =\ ('Cept on Valk before VIP plan they don't even SEE the option to warp in other cities.)
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 08:51 PM

edited so i dont get banned

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 08:56 PM

no kafra warps is a bit harsh
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 04:27 AM

Well, for a few days, at the very least, warps were allowed for non-VIPers, which I personally used so I know it worked.


Are you on Ymir or Ygg? Gravity had been extending people's accounts on Ymir as a special favour to those who were waiting for F2P, so they could play 'free' and not have to quit playing until F2P, but as they hadn't setup non-VIP/VIP settings yet and Ymir/Ygg was Premium they could only give free Premium/VIP-like extensions, including the extra warp options. But those extensions should be running out this month for alot of people (mine runs out end of this week due to the timing of when I re-activated my account and some others I know had their run out over the weekend). On Valkyrie though its pretty much always been that way when free so they're more used to it. They just save in Prontera where theres still a lot of warp options.

Each of the official servers have different setups for subscription vs free plans. But iRO is only just starting with this particular plan, there'll be more plans for subscriptions in future. For example idRO, tRO and malaysia/singapore server you lose items on death when free which sounds pretty crazy :(
http://irowiki.org/wiki/F2P

It might be nice for them to offer a Warp Key though one-off purchase in the Kafra Shop however if not modifying the warps from the previous Free settings.

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 05:15 AM

VIP2P
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 05:33 AM

Or how about a NPC in Edens which lets people go to Prontera? I think that'd help new players. I suppose it defeats what iRO is trying to do with incentives. But I just replied to someone on New Player section stuck in Alberta (luckily they can probably use the boatship to Izlude, but some towns aren't as close to Prontera for that). But yeah incentives don't work if new players quit before buying a subscription. :blink:
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 07:12 AM

I've always thought that this scares away new players. Perhaps the benefit for subscribers should be that teleporting is free.
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 07:54 AM

I would rather to have a bothersome teleport for non VIP, and an open tele for VIP. Being on valkyrie, I have been used to warp from prontera and juno only. Neither I feel VIP because I see no new options/benefits in teleing, neither non VIP see anychange.

How about if instead of the current system, VIP got to warp between all towns (from anywhere to anywhere) for a set cost (for example, 2000 zeny). That would be increased convenience, now I don't have to save in prontera anyways, now I can warp from anywhere to anywhere.

Then, change non VIP to have a few warps, for a high price, for example 10000 zeny. For example, from payon, you got to warp to alberta or izlude. From izlude, you get to warp to alberta or prontera. From prontera, you ca warp to izlude, morroc, of geffen... and so on.

Then, you get two now changes for non VIP:

1) You are now not trapped in a single place in the world if you don't save in prontera, which discourages players.

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2) You can not just save in prontera and warp to anywhere like premium players. So now indeed, multiple warping becomes a premium service.
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 10:56 AM

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 01:48 PM

If you are stuck in another town and trapped there because of DB/BB's, please spend $7 to buy a VIP service and stay out of trouble with the DB/BBs!
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 02:03 PM

I tried Valk out for a couple days, and after realizing that I couldn't warp anywhere, I pretty much left. (that & the bots)

I'd be OK having VIP free and non-VIP priced.
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 03:32 PM

Considering the goal is to make veteran players come back (quote from Heim, I believe) I think the warps for non-VIP should be set to what was normal on Chaos / Loki / Iris. So far on Ymir I've seen quite a few people go "wtf I can't warp from the Kafra. I just walked all the way from X town and I STILL can't warp anywhere?!?!!?!" For VIP you could make it so a warp from any town goes to any other town and add in a dungeon teleporter, etc.
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 06:50 PM

edited so i dont get banned

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 06:54 PM

I hope this isn't true, just a mistake. Kafra Warps have always been a big part of the game. Just reduce prices for VIP members or make them higher for Non-VIP.
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 06:59 PM

Not literally "trapped". I wasn't talking about DBs or BBs. Trapped meaning that if you save there, you'd have to walk to get out of the city, whereas with Prontera you can warp out of it. Didn't think I'd have to explain this, honestly.


If all of your paths to Prontera are filled up with DBs or BBs... then walking to get out of the city is not an option. And don't forget about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhOsHqaGkXI&feature=related

Edited by mooMOOmoo, 18 April 2011 - 07:03 PM.

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 01:58 AM

Kafra warp are indeed a major part of the game and will only make players leave if it's only for VIP. I agree with free kafra warp for VIP, and a small fee to non-VIP. Perhaps some exclusive warps to VIP too.
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Posted 19 April 2011 - 11:41 AM

Yeah a few returning people near my guild spot were really turned off at the fact they couldn't get to Juno on a free account! I had to go memo it and warp them!
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Posted 19 April 2011 - 11:48 AM

I must say, I was expecting non-VIPs would get the "out of the box" ro, and that would've meant normal warps for non-VIP and normal warps + old valky warps for VIPs

For example, at geffen's kafra:

VIP warps:
Every rune midgard warps + juno+ orc dungeon...or is it coal mine from geffen? can't remember

Non-VIPs:
Prontera
Aldebaran
Orc dungeon or coal mine, can't really remember which

At prontera:

VIP:
Every rune midgard warps + juno+ orc dungeon

non-VIP:
The normal pre-merge kafra warps, I really can,t remember what they were...
morroc
geffen
payon
izlude
Orc dungeon
I think?


That would be better than whatever we have now imo =x
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Posted 19 April 2011 - 12:29 PM

Buy the town bwings in the kafra shop is what they are hoping i guess. But then you need to get to payon to buy them. :blink:
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Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:28 PM

Anyone know if this is just a bug?
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Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:35 PM

Ok HTML Table to the rescue! It is entirely possible we have an "oops" here and there on the warps, and it is viable for us to add more. I am not likely to authorize making all warps available for non-VIP but certainly giving the basics is a possibility, as is adding a "get to Prontera" function for the Eden Group.


































































































































MAP SERVICE TYPE SAVE STORAGE FEE TELEPORT PRICE PUSHCART CHECK SPECIAL RESERVE
Prontera Middle Non-VIP Yes 500 Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morroc
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
3000
3000
800 YES
VIP Yes 40 Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morroc
Orc Dungeon
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala
600
1200
1200
1200
1700
1800
2000
3000
3000
800 YES

Prontera South Non-VIP Yes 500 Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morroc
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
3000
3000
800 YES
VIP Yes 40 Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morroc
Orc Dungeon
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala
600
1200
1200
1200
1700
1800
2000
3000
3000
800 YES

Prontera East Non-VIP Yes 500 Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morroc
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
3000
3000
800 YES
VIP Yes 40 Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morroc
Orc Dungeon
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala
600
1200
1200
1200
1700
1800
2000
3000
3000
800 YES

Prontera West Non-VIP Yes 500 Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morroc
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
3000
3000
800 YES
VIP Yes 40 Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morroc
Orc Dungeon
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala
600
1200
1200
1200
1700
1800
2000
3000
3000
800 YES

Prontera Castle Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 800 n/a
VIP Yes 40 n/a n/a 800 n/a

Culverts Entrance Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a n/a YES
VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a n/a YES

Izlude Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 800 YES
VIP Yes 40 Geffen
Payon
Morroc
Aldebaran
1200
1200
1200
1800
820 YES

Geffen Warp in Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 750 YES
VIP Yes 30 Prontera
Aldebaran
Orc Dungeon
Mjolnir Dead Pit
1200
1200
1700
1700
750 YES

Geffen East Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 750 YES
VIP Yes 30 Prontera
Aldebaran
Orc Dungeon
Mjolnir Dead Pit
1200
1200
1700
1700
750 YES

Aldebaran Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 600 YES
VIP Yes 20 Geffen
Juno
Izlude
Mjolnir Dead Pit
1200
1200
1800
1700
600 YES

Inside Kafra Headquarters Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a n/a n/a
VIP Yes 20 n/a n/a n/a n/a

Morocc North Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 930 YES
VIP Yes 60 Prontera
Payon
Alberta
Comodo
Paros Lighthouse
1200
1200
1800
1800
1200
930 YES

Morocc South Non-VIP Yes 500 Prontera n/a 930 YES
VIP Yes 60 Prontera
Payon
Alberta
Comodo
Paros Lighthouse
1200
1200
1800
1800
1200
930 YES

Alberta West Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 850 YES
VIP Yes 50 Payon
Morocc
Prontera
1200
1800
1800
850 YES

Alberta Warp in Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 850 YES
VIP Yes 50 Payon
Morocc
Prontera
1200
1800
1800
850 YES

Payon South Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 930 YES
VIP Yes 60 Prontera
Alberta
Morocc
1200
1200
1200
930 YES

Payon North Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 930 YES
VIP Yes 60 Prontera
Alberta
Morocc
1200
1200
1200
930 YES

Byalan Island Non-VIP No 500 n/a n/a 1200 n/a
VIP No 120 n/a n/a 1200 n/a

Alberta Island Non-VIP No 500 n/a n/a n/a YES
VIP No 150 n/a n/a n/a YES

Archer Village Non-VIP No 500 n/a n/a 1200 YES
VIP No 90 n/a n/a 1200 YES

Morocc Ruins Non-VIP No 500 n/a n/a 1200 YES
VIP No 90 n/a n/a 1200 YES

Orc Dungeon Non-VIP No 500 n/a n/a n/a YES
VIP No 130 n/a n/a n/a YES

Mjolnir Dead Pit Non-VIP No 500 n/a n/a n/a YES
VIP No 100 n/a n/a n/a YES

Paros Lighthouse Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 1000 YES
VIP Yes 80 Morocc
Comodo
1200
1200
1000 YES

Comodo Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 1000 YES
VIP Yes 80 Morroc
Paros Lighthouse
Umbala
1800
1200
1800
1000 YES

Juno East Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 800 YES
VIP Yes 40 Aldebaran 1200 800 YES

Juno North Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 800 YES
VIP Yes 40 Aldebaran 1200 800 YES

Juno Middle Non-VIP Yes 500 Einbroch
Lighthalzen
Hugel
Rachel
2000
2000
2000
2000
800 YES
VIP Yes 40 Aldebaran
Einbroch
Lighthalzen
Hugel
Rachel
1200
1200
1200
1200
1200
800 YES

Amatsu Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 700 YES
VIP Yes 50 n/a n/a 700 YES

Kunlun Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 700 YES
VIP Yes 80 n/a n/a 700 YES

Umbala Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a n/a YES
VIP Yes 80 n/a n/a n/a YES

Nifflheim Non-VIP No 500 n/a n/a n/a n/a
VIP No 150 n/a n/a n/a n/a

Louyang Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 700 YES
VIP Yes 80 n/a n/a 700 YES

Ayothaya Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 700 YES
VIP Yes 80 n/a n/a 700 YES

Einbroch West Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 800 YES
VIP Yes 40 n/a n/a 800 YES

Einbroch East Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 800 YES
VIP Yes 40 n/a n/a 800 YES

Einbroch Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 850 YES
VIP Yes 40 n/a n/a 850 YES

Lighthalzen Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 800 YES
VIP Yes 40 n/a n/a 800 YES

Lighthalzen East Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 800 YES
VIP Yes 40 n/a n/a 800 YES

Lighthalzen Hotel Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 800 YES
VIP Yes 40 n/a n/a 800 YES

Brasilis Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 800 n/a
VIP Yes 40 n/a n/a 800 n/a

Moscovia Non-VIP Yes 500 n/a n/a 700 YES
VIP Yes 80 n/a n/a 700 YES

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:51 PM

Such a giant table o.o

How about for non vip members. In all basic towns you can at least warp to the town nearest to the town your in. For example.

If you are in Alberta, you can warp to Payon.

If you are in Payon, you can warp to Prontera or Alberta.

If you are in Morroc, you can warp to Comodo, Geffen or Prontera.

If you are in Geffen you can warp to Prontera or Morroc.

If you are in Comodo you can warp to Morroc or Umbala.

For new players under the level of, let's say 40. They will be able to warp to all basic towns via the Eden Group. Basic towns are Payon, Prontera, Morroc, Geffen, and Alberta. Job change towns basically.

As it stands now, Non VIP can't really warp from anywhere except Prontera. Warping is a big part of RO. It's a big world. Who wants to wait for a non VIP party member to cross the Morroc desert to join them in a Angeling Hunt. No one!

I think warps should be available from every town, maybe not the same amount VIP members get, but at least some basic functionality.

Edited by Maka, 19 April 2011 - 11:02 PM.

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