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#26 Mayhem

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 02:14 PM

Ok now really, I am hoping one of you have the answer and a link. I keep hearing about these new damn weapons, but I cant find links to this?

Hear say or does someone actually have a site I can look at?
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#27 Frank1e

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 03:14 PM

What I think your missing is the fact that the thorn staff bypasses mdef at 11%. Damage wise the thorn staff combo is best keep in mind you have the extra headgear slot. Imo the necro card is more powerful than the future card you speak of. And who doesn't need a damage reduction card in a shield now adays.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 03:44 PM

Dont think they are mentioning that the Thorn staff combo is almost identical in damage compared to a same upgrade glorious sod and a +9 Cod, with the glorious only giving a fractional increase in damage. When you consider you get to wear a cranial or sheild as a part of the set a fractional smaller damage output should normally be a moot point. Also Im pretty sure when you mix in a fallen carded shoes the thorn staff set has a greater advantage because of the larger base matak and that the demi % on the glorious SOD stacks and does not multiply with the fallen.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 04:21 PM

Ok now really, I am hoping one of you have the answer and a link. I keep hearing about these new damn weapons, but I cant find links to this?

Hear say or does someone actually have a site I can look at?

http://rune-nifelheim.com/item/2007/

http://rune-nifelheim.com/item/2009/

http://rune-nifelheim.com/item/2010/

http://rune-nifelheim.com/item/2008/
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:00 PM

Those look horrible.

To do the best damage with that element, you would have to get all of the set.

Skull Cap Combo will still best ALL around damage.

CoD combo will still be the best to help sorc get UP to 135+
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:27 PM

Those look horrible.

To do the best damage with that element, you would have to get all of the set.

Skull Cap Combo will still best ALL around damage.

CoD combo will still be the best to help sorc get UP to 135+

you need to check twice........ you are doing like 60% more damage and 2 slots, in pvm that should be amazing...... and a tetra vortex must be deadly
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:31 PM

I read it, but most high lvl maps arent just one element. But it would rock outs some in a few places I guess.

I dont think anyone really has a problem getting to 150 though. All the equipment takes up a lot of spots that could be better suited for something else. To use them you have to give up your shoes, an acc and your garment slot. Also give up your shield too.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:45 PM

ok i quit......... the people dont know how to swich gears, and still with skull cap trauma........ mageclass its a dps class, you always will be 1 shoted, you must support your friends by dealing your best damage........
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:51 PM

You all are so annoying.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:53 PM

You all are so annoying.


Nah posting on a thread that is discussing things that might help people figure out gears with a comment like that is annoying
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 06:12 PM

Nah posting on a thread that is discussing things that might help people figure out gears with a comment like that is annoying


Whaaaatever, want to deal damage having good cast? CoD + High upgraded KvM.
Want to be good at support and deal a decent damage? Skull cap set, end of story.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 08:02 PM

FiskBlack, You are an idiot. Enough Said.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 08:21 PM

Do those new cards come out in episode 14?
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 08:44 PM

FiskBlack, You are an idiot. Enough Said.

Thank you kindly lol.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 09:20 PM

^ this poster is kinda annoying, judging from all threads.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 09:52 PM

http://ro-db.com/?se...=1654#item_view
I dont think this came out yet but i want this and i think for sorc it will be a welcomed editon :glomp: and its one handed with a slot

Edited by Minchi, 01 December 2011 - 09:55 PM.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 09:56 PM

I wouldn't argue with Haseo when it comes to formulas. He's too pro at Warlocks. =P He thought me everything I know. ;)


^ This... :glomp:

Just kidding... but anyway... I usually do test runs on any possible set for Warlocks and I still prefer having a +9 or above SoD & +9 CoD over Skull Cap combo on my Warlock and Sorcerer... Even thou I made couple +10's TSoD, KvM SoD & SoD just to test it out >_>

Rata's still a good card for a slotted mid headgear though. You don't necessarily have to have one when you can wear both. Though I'm speaking on perspective of the Skull Cap and TSoD combo here. Haseo's probably just talking about a +9 or above KK carded CoD[1] in combination with SoD[1]'s.Rata card's more for those who use the +9 KK Skull Cap and TSoD combos. Just card it into a BFG[1].It's no question though, for the highest damage output on a Warlock the +9 or above CoD[1] with SoD[1]'s are the best.


Not quite... if you actually are looking for a good Mid-Headgear, I would suggest go with "Robo Eyes" over anything else... that +2%matk and +2 DEX? is just like HW card on headgear... remember, %MATK WILL always be better than +MATK because the +MATK adds at the end of the formula... after the %matk kicks in and it is barely noticeable... meanwhile %MATK can stack with gears or demihuman depending on what the gear/card says...

Now, you have to take into consideration what Staff are you using... depending on it, you gotta choose the right head gear for the occasion lol...

If you ask me, as personal experience... out of all my Headgears available for my Warlock/Sorcerer (+12 Pom Hat/MRH w/HW card, +9 Skull Cap/CoD w/HW card)... I will choose MRH over Pom hat even thou Pom Hat adds more %MATK to demihuman... that's if I'm using +13 KvM SoD...

Why is that? simple... because of the MATK formula itself... for you to be able to deal the max damage desired, you don't just have to "add" %MATK randomly but to Balance %MATK and %MATK towards Demi-Human... as those 2 multiply each other, the close you are to 50% for both types of MATK, the more damage you will deal...

In other words, stacking %MATK is always good... but to be "efficient" with your Damage you have to know how to balance %MATK and %MATK towards demihuman to be close to the 50%matk mark... just like this:

0.5*0.5 = 0.25
0.4*0.6 = 0.24
0.3*0.7 = 0.21

As you can see... the close you are to 0.5 or 50%matk mark in both types of MATK, the more end MATK you will get at the end of the formula... therefore, you will deal more damage.

Just my 0.25 cents...
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:12 AM

I know these thread are Long ago but i really just wanna clarify something..

What is CoD?? MRH?? PomHat?? (sorry for being such a newb)

and now that it is 2012 and there are new equips can you guys tell me the best Battle type Sorcerer items.. btw i prefer a 1 handed staff

iam currently using a +11 Glorious Arc Wand is this good?

Edited by WorstSorcerer, 06 October 2012 - 08:14 AM.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:23 AM

CoD: Crown of Deceit.
MRH: Moon Rabbit Hat.
PomHat: Red Pom Band.

The Glorious Arc Wand is decent. If you had nothing I'd say to get Vellum Wand, but keep it this way.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:24 PM

thanks.. but uhm.. so +11 Glorious Arc wand is more powerful than +11TSOD right?? i dont care about the reducing cast time effect of the TSOD.. i just really want to know if +11GAW is more powerful than a +11TSOD in the matter of damage..

cause im planning on Using RWC = 10% resist demihuman +5%MATK(slotted) on headgear and +11GAW, instead of skull cap + TSOD combo.. is that good??
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