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[JStoneheart]

Ok Heimdall, Oda, and the rest of the game masters and moderators.

I recently found out this information and, before this, I felt really upset about gold farming bots, but after reading out this, I felt sorry for them.

If you don't fight back bots and gold farmers, you are directly/indirectly supporting this:

Gold Farming, the new slavery.

Please, if you are not going to fight bots for the sake of the server, do it for this people's.

EDIT: Even if most gold farmers in RO are bots, not fighting them helps encouraging the gold farming market to force people to farm manually in those games where botting is almost impossible.

Edited by JStoneheart, 10 December 2011 - 10:39 AM.

[iFail]

ok

[TheSquishy]

I remember a story a while back where a prison guard in china was arrested for forcing inmates to participate
in his gold farming ring. The realities behind gold farming are pretty scary.

[JStoneheart]

I remember a story a while back where a prison guard in china was arrested for forcing inmates to participate
in his gold farming ring. The realities behind gold farming are pretty scary.

yeah, that is the same link you posted in an old post of mine. I just saw it. It touched my heart.

[IronPlushy]

If I was in prison I wouldn't mind playing video games 12 hours a day. I don't understand why this is cruel, weren't people doing 10 hour Bio 3 TI's on purpose last month? So you either dig ditches 12 hours a day or play RO instead, I wonder what an inmate would choose?

[IronPlushy]

If I was in prison I wouldn't mind playing video games 12 hours a day. I don't understand why this is cruel, weren't people doing 10 hour Bio 3 TI's on purpose last month? So you either dig ditches 12 hours a day or play RO instead, I wonder what an inmate would choose?

[sakurawings1]

Yeah same ^^^ lol

Edit: i mean it cant be that bad can it?

Edited by sakurawings1, 10 December 2011 - 11:08 AM.

[morphine]

That's like saying "I love to sew. I don't know why people are always complaining about clothing manufacturers having sweatshops".

[IronPlushy]

Have any of you ever done hard labor? 10 hours on your feet, in the middle of July or in the middle of february, Anyone that has done serious construction labor would gladly choose a chair and a computer over a shovel.
And just so you hipsters realize this, people in the poorest parts of Asia make far more money in "sweat shops" than they could ever make farming or ranching. They actually choose to work double shifts because that just means more money, 16 hours a day isn't a huge deal in third world countries like it is in modernized countries. You sound like you have "white people" problems, like complaining you have to go to the dentist. That's like complaining your drinking waters too clean.
And if you're wondering where I get these "facts", my geography teacher travels all over the world, publishing articles for the college about REAL third world circumstances.

[sakurawings1]

That's like saying "I love to sew. I don't know why people are always complaining about clothing manufacturers having sweatshops".

Not rly?.. i mean unless the person doesnt like to play, i mean would they rather sit in prison doing nothing? eh its wrong yes but like i said its not THAT bad, unless they r whipping them while playing.

[Agahim]

"forced labour isn't so bad as long as it isn't physical work"

i'm a bit concerned about the average IQ in this thread.

especially since i'm not contributing much either.

[Kadnya]

Have any of you ever done hard labor? 10 hours on your feet, in the middle of July or in the middle of february, Anyone that has done serious construction labor would gladly choose a chair and a computer over a shovel.
And just so you hipsters realize this, people in the poorest parts of Asia make far more money in "sweat shops" than they could ever make farming or ranching. They actually choose to work double shifts because that just means more money, 16 hours a day isn't a huge deal in third world countries like it is in modernized countries. You sound like you have "white people" problems, like complaining you have to go to the dentist. That's like complaining your drinking waters too clean.
And if you're wondering where I get these "facts", my geography teacher travels all over the world, publishing articles for the college about REAL third world circumstances.

Do you think that people in third world countries feel like having 16 hours shifts for a miserable salary is super?
Morelike they choose to work there because is the lesser evil.

Imagine having to stay staring at a computer screen 16+ hours, maybe sick, poorly fed, with only 3 or so hours of sleep, playing doing some mind nubing process like "click X cells to the right, hit enter, repeat". Every day of your life. People in third world countries are humans too, and no human is really happy to live like that =p.

Even some ways of torture exploit the fact that repetitiveness is terrible for your brain. Sweatshops of any kind are a form of paid torture...

Edited by Kadnya, 10 December 2011 - 11:37 AM.

[IronPlushy]

Do you think that people in third world countries feel like having 16 hours shifts for a miserable salary is super?
Morelike they choose to work there because is the lesser evil.

Imagine having to stay staring at a computer screen 16+ hours, maybe sick, poorly fed, with only 3 or so hours of sleep, playing doing some mind nubing process like "click X cells to the right, hit enter, repeat". Every day of your life. People in third world countries are humans too, and no human is really happy to live like that =p.

Ok the article said 12 hour shifts, not 16, but you will lie to make your point. Obviously you've never been in prison where about 22 hours a day there's really nothing to do, you eat, walk around outside an hour a day, get 3 ten minute showers a week.

You are completely speaking out of turn, you are drawing all these false assumptions like they are poorly fed, sleep 3 hours a night (which in an American prison is like 5 hours a night with all the screaming), and that they aren't happy. Go read a happiness study. Poor people aren't necessarily less happy. If anything you are treating them less than human by assuming they are unhappy because they are poor. You think they'd be happy if they owned a car, a television? Those things don't make one happy.

And staring at a computer screen for hours on end, you are describing many people that play MMOs willingly. People in modernized countries often play MMOs everyday of their life for hours on end, ever see "True Life: I'm Addicted to Videogames"?

People would rather work double shifts instead of setting their own hours trying to farm, what does that tell you? You have little idea of what you're talking about, you hear these details third handed and have no idea what you're talking about.

Most jobs you will have is nothing but the same cycle over and over for years.

Edited by IronPlushy, 10 December 2011 - 11:43 AM.

[sayoko]

Do you think that people in third world countries feel like having 16 hours shifts for a miserable salary is super?
Morelike they choose to work there because is the lesser evil.

Imagine having to stay staring at a computer screen 16+ hours, maybe sick, poorly fed, with only 3 or so hours of sleep, playing doing some mind nubing process like "click X cells to the right, hit enter, repeat". Every day of your life. People in third world countries are humans too, and no human is really happy to live like that =p.

ok........ you know....... err......... how to explain that they are baddie guys that do bad things to your body? i think that you dont know how "bad" its the real life :/ , have you heard about the Human trafficking?

[Kitten]

Working conditions in general are bad there. Sure, some gold farmers are subject to terrible conditions, but singling it out doesn't make a lot of sense either.

[Kadnya]

etc

I would read a study but I have seen bad places live, parents offering their child at few dollars/some supplies, and general bad conditions in some towns here in mexico when brother was sent as a doctor there. I haven't met people who worked on a sweatshop (neither been in prison, thankfully ), but do have met poor people from third world countries, and I can assure you that they are not happy in the same way as you or me are happy.

Granted that not knowing anything better, they might not desire much of what we consider normal, but I do feel that it is wrong to say that they are happy being exploited just because they are used to a life of few opportunities =x.

Edited by Kadnya, 10 December 2011 - 12:10 PM.

[CeruleanGamer]

If I was in prison I wouldn't mind playing video games 12 hours a day. I don't understand why this is cruel, weren't people doing 10 hour Bio 3 TI's on purpose last month? So you either dig ditches 12 hours a day or play RO instead, I wonder what an inmate would choose?

Doing 10 hours of bio 3 TIs a day for 1 week should not be compared to gold farming 10 hours a day for the rest of your life.

Edited by CeruleanGamer, 10 December 2011 - 12:29 PM.

[Mowi]

Imagine having to stay staring at a computer screen 16+ hours, maybe sick, poorly fed, with only 3 or so hours of sleep, playing doing some mind nubing process like "click X cells to the right, hit enter, repeat". Every day of your life.

This is me when my parents go out of town at least.

[JStoneheart]

Doing physical labour is actually healthier (if you compare it to be sitting 12 straight hours in front of a computer or TV).

In case you don't know, there are several cases in the world where kids and teenagers have died because they have spent a lot ot time sitting, playing videogames.

The cause? They developed deep vein thrombosis (commonly associated with passengers on long haul flights where they are relatively immobile for hours on end) This way, they suffered a blood blockage to their lungs.

So, having someone FORCEDLY sintting long hour sessions playing a videogame IS cruel and a crime!

Edited by JStoneheart, 10 December 2011 - 12:41 PM.

[Kaiji]

Actually, World of Warcraft is fine with this as the game is pay to play.
I feel sad about the punishment and such but i guess those chinese are happy in some degree coz their salary is higher than those selling chicken rice on food stals.

[Emichio]

so you want them to miss the daily quota and receive physical punishment?
that's mean~

[JStoneheart]

so you want them to miss the daily quota and receive physical punishment?
that's mean~

That's not a punishment. They are being forced to play for someone else's greedy purposes, not as a government's order.

[IronPlushy]

I would read a study but I have seen bad places live, parents offering their child at few dollars/some supplies, and general bad conditions in some towns here in mexico when brother was sent as a doctor there. I haven't met people who worked on a sweatshop (neither been in prison, thankfully ), but do have met poor people from third world countries, and I can assure you that they are not happy in the same way as you or me are happy.

Granted that not knowing anything better, they might not desire much of what we consider normal, but I do feel that it is wrong to say that they are happy being exploited just because they are used to a life of few opportunities =x.

I studied happiness A LOT in college, some would say Buddhism is the study of happiness, and I read tons and tons of peer reviewed articles about what creates happiness. Desire is a double edge sword for happiness, on one hand a purpose driven life gives us satisfaction, but desiring things we can never have destroys happiness. Burma is a very poor country but it was also rated the happiest country in the world before their Benevolent King stepped down. As soon as we can afford to live, more money typically does not bring anymore happiness.

But we are talking about people in prison, in China, unless you're talking about political prisoners they're not there indefinitely. And playing videogames 12 hours a day is preferable to do nothing 22 hours a day.

Doing physical labour is actually healthier (if you compare it to be sitting 12 straight hours in front of a computer or TV).

In case you don't know, there are several cases in the world where kids and teenagers have died because they have spent a lot ot time sitting, playing videogames.

The cause? They developed deep vein thrombosis (commonly associated with passengers on long haul flights where they are relatively immobile for hours on end) This way, they suffered a blood blockage to their lungs.

So, having someone FORCEDLY sintting long hour sessions playing a videogame IS cruel and a crime!

Obviously you've never done hard labor, just doing construction 8 hours a day destroys your back after years and years. I have sciatica, and that's just from working too hard, not decades of working. I've never heard of anyone dying from playing videogames too much unless they were addicted and couldn't stop.

[sakurawings1]

Well theres a reason why they r even in jail

[IronPlushy]

Well theres a reason why they r even in jail

You can be jailed for viewing pornography or criticizing the government in any form.