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#1 Njoror

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:14 PM

And my last post before 30 minute nap shower and back to office.

Title item: will get a level restriction of 40. The title itself will keep stats you all saw in the window. So consume the title item NOW to avoid the lvl restriction.

The costumes, will remain as is permanently.

In the end we made a mistake in oversight weeks ago, and we are doing all we can now to make it right.


Please give me some time before stringing me up by my toes, we are working with dev team on better alternatives. This seriously is broadsiding us right now so we are having to work quickly to fix it and I can't keep up answers to you and get answers from and to them. I absolutely want this to be a positive update and will do all we can to make it so.



Regarding the Founder title change, we distributed the title before the change that had been planned had gone through. It will be changed with tomorrow’s maintenance in order to better balance the title in the game.

We wanted to provide a unique title to Ragnarok 2 players who joined us for our first month and played a character past level 30.

We understand the community’s concern. The intent was never to mislead you. The title distribution just happened to occur the day before we planned to change the title to what we had planned.


Heimdallr: Upon further investigation I have found some distressing news... We never meant to misrepresent the title nor the costumes. We honestly always intended these changes, and never should the title even been viewable before distribution, when I checked prior it wasn't showing up in the list. We never wanted the stats of the title to be a "bait" for participation, rather it was meant to be a something special for the thousands of players that took up that moderate challenge of getting to 30 in our opening month. So I am eating words, we never did post it, but it was displayed in-game where it shouldn't have been, and those stats showing, I have no idea WHY those stats were ever there, it was never part of our request to development or ever suggested either, infact the current stats were the suggestion given to us rather than our higher proposal.

It was not meant to turn, what a joyous distribution of these titles being, into a community mess because information that wasn't meant to exist yet was shared unwittingly with you. But I do accept responsibility as it is our job to do the final check and make sure you are not unwittingly harmed, and to do right by you.

We will be keeping the stats on the Tux, Wedding dress and recruit outfit for now. And the next set will have the stats more clearly labeled to expire at specific time.

The Title will get upgraded a bit, but cannot be the 30 to all, that would wrap all the gameplay around that title invalidating any other title forever, and be unattainable for future players. I am requesting +12 to all with +16 to Vit for the Founder title.



Still discussing with dev team to continue to improve the situation, this particular set of circumstances, especially the title, caught us flat footed because it was supposed to ever be known what the stats were and certainly shouldn't have displayed huge numbers like that. But it did, and now we are in fix it mode rather than sleep and prepare for a busy patch mode.
It is obvious that we couldn't just leave it like it was, unless we truly just didn't care, which we've put far to much of ourselves in this and spent to much time with the community and games in general to stop caring when we have some sort of option to fight for.

So please give us a little patience, let us try to stave off this change a bit and let us move forward positively.

Ok, so I do have a little bit of new good news.
The Tux, wedding dress and Recruits outfit will permanently have their current stats. We will have to do some backend updates to be sure those items can't be created via the costume fusion system that is coming in with this update so if you have em now, you have one of the best costumes ever.

For the title we are investigating leaving stats as is, but adding a lvl req on it. Complication is normally the lvl req is set by 'how to acquire' not on whether you can equip. If we can't get it set with a level requirement we are going to have to go back to drawing board.

Ok, so I do have a little bit of new good news.
The Tux, wedding dress and Recruits outfit will permanently have their current stats. We will have to do some backend updates to be sure those items can't be created via the costume fusion system that is coming in with this update so if you have em now, you have one of the best costumes ever.

For the title we are investigating leaving stats as is, but adding a lvl req on it. Complication is normally the lvl req is set by 'how to acquire' not on whether you can equip. If we can't get it set with a level requirement we are going to have to go back to drawing board.



And my last post before 30 minute nap shower and back to office.

Title item: will get a level restriction of 40. The title itself will keep stats you all saw in the window. So consume the title item NOW to avoid the lvl restriction.

The costumes, will remain as is permanently.

In the end we made a mistake in oversight weeks ago, and we are doing all we can now to make it right.
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#2 TheArrow

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:15 PM

Then why wait until now to tell everyone?
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#3 Nitro

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:16 PM

This is not cool...
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:17 PM

its a lie, after a lie, after a lie after a ... you get the idea ... now tell us fairy tales about the tuxedo and dress stats

Edited by LeonFlare, 04 June 2013 - 07:18 PM.

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#5 Bufkus

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:18 PM

Nobody would have bothered to slave away for hours leveling their characters, spending on the cash shop to level faster, if they had known about the supposed new stats beforehand.

The community was fully mislead and Warpportal will pay for it from the loss of players and more importantly, paying customers.

They fully wanted us to waste our money and time and that is why they did not tell us about the stats until today's patch notes. They knew full well that players expected the stats to be what they are currently in-game.
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#6 hyXTC

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:19 PM

So how about the hundreds of dollars people spent trying to get the once very unique Tux/Wedding Dress?

You basically shoved a huge middle finger to most of the people who support your game by paying.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:19 PM

Doesn't look like anyone is accepting this excuse. It was a low blow by the company on several counts - plain and simple.
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#8 Varunax

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:22 PM

When's the last time WP even cared about balance? If you cared that much about balance, you would fix at least one of the bugs and glitches that's making the game unbalanced. I don't believe "balance" can be used as a legitimate reason for the change.

Instead of nerfing the stats to rival the Golden Thief Bug title.. why don't you just raise the level requirement to 30 or 50 on it?
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#9 samaura

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:22 PM

This is unacceptable. The stats have been set that way as a goal since the beginning.


I am not sure you understand what we are complaining about at all.
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#10 Arthalion

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:22 PM

Well you did mislead us and you know you did. If you knew that the stats weren't staying, you should have told us.
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#11 Kiregean

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:22 PM

Regardless of the excuse offered the act of fraud and false/misleading advertising was still committed.
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#12 Squachie

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:23 PM

If you have just stated changes, or plans for changes or possibility for changes or even a hint that changes or a rumor that changes or even a hunch of changes to the title was happening, then it wouldn't have escalated to this point. Sadly that's not the case as there's no evidence for this month long event of that ever happening.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:23 PM

Instead of nerfing the stats to rival the Golden Thief Bug title.. why don't you just raise the level requirement to 30 or 50 on it?



This: this exactly.


It is still false advertising, and bate and switch.
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#14 SukiRinoa

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:23 PM

Regarding the Founder title change, we distributed the title before the change that had been planned had gone through. It will be changed with tomorrow’s maintenance in order to better balance the title in the game.

We wanted to provide a unique title to Ragnarok 2 players who joined us for our first month and played a character past level 30.

We understand the community’s concern. The intent was never to mislead you. The title distribution just happened to occur the day before we planned to change the title to what we had planned.


Coincidence? I don't think so. Fool me once shame on you
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:24 PM

So how about the hundreds of dollars people spent trying to get the once very unique Tux/Wedding Dress?

You basically shoved a huge middle finger to most of the people who support your game by paying.


It is still Unique. <_< and now impossible to obtain since you can't get it anymore.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:24 PM

Shame on you
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#17 3128130505034843787

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:24 PM

Now please comment on scamming people who spent their money on Recruits/Tux/Weds.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:25 PM

You forgot about the HUNDREDS of dollars your customers spent on their statted costumes. Oh right, you don't care about those of us that actually pay money.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:25 PM

Long story short: do something better to compensate costume and Founder nerf OR un-nerf them. Leveling to 30 or online until 60 hours are not joke things to do (even when you afk for online times)

RO1 give some nice things when they nerf something important, 2x exp, free VIP, permanent headgear costumes and more.. Remember RO1 and RO2 crossover? We can agree RO1 reward is better with permanent things and also can be traded for emergency zeny for newbies.. People can accept nerf if people get other nice things, RO1 got many nerfs but in the end people get used with nice things warp portal gives to us...

Edited by Exvee, 04 June 2013 - 07:25 PM.

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#20 HawkPeft

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:25 PM

You should have told us about your play to nerf the title BEFORE THE EVENT EVEN STARTED! Making us work for a title for a straight month then giving us something else is completely WRONG! For shame Warp Portal, for shame.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:25 PM

How about NOT nerfing stuff people have been looking forward too all month! How about NOT nerfing something people spent hundreds of dollars to get as well! This is not acceptable!
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:25 PM

A lie, a pitiful excuse.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:26 PM

;D Yep, not even going to bother. There is no point in telling Gravity anything when we're quitting because of their lack of professionalism. Numbers will speak a lot more loudly than any of their CM's telling management they did something wrong. Buh-bye.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:26 PM

Please understand that we never stated the stats of the title, because it wasn't intended to be Amazing stats, it was always intended to be about +5 to all stats, and that is what it is being changed to. The fact that it is +30 to all stats is way too powerful to be considered intended or admissable in-game. If you look to the future how would anyone who starts playing ever compete with players with the founder titles with their solid edge on them, and it would invalidate ever using any khara title as well.Truly I am sorry that you interpret us setting it back to its intended value within 24 hours of putting it in, we wanted to get the titles out to you when we said we would rather than waiting until after maintenance. Consider today "bonus" stats for being patient with us.
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#25 DarkwingGT

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:26 PM

Still no explanation why no INT. +5 INT too OP I guess.

P.S. Unless you mis-posted, it's NOT +5 to all stats.

Edited by DarkwingGT, 04 June 2013 - 07:27 PM.

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